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February 22, 2006, 09:52:25 PM
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KSU hoops is dead and will be for a long time.

KSU either needs to think way outside of the box, or just shut the program down.


February 22, 2006, 09:56:35 PM
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KSU hoops is dead and will be for a long time.

KSU either needs to think way outside of the box, or just shut the program down.



Actually, I think what we need is another slightly-better-than-mediocre-mid-major coach to turn this thing around.  The fourth times the charm!!!




Also, Dax, didn't you mention Jeff Bzdelik in your first coaching "wish list?"  He has an interesting resume and should get an interview, IMO.

February 22, 2006, 10:05:03 PM
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KSU hoops is dead and will be for a long time.

KSU either needs to think way outside of the box, or just shut the program down.



Actually, I think what we need is another slightly-better-than-mediocre-mid-major coach to turn this thing around.  The fourth times the charm!!!




Also, Dax, didn't you mention Jeff Bzdelik in your first coaching "wish list?"  He has an interesting resume and should get an interview, IMO.

Taking cues from ku fans now, Rusty?

February 22, 2006, 10:06:29 PM
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KSU hoops is dead and will be for a long time.

KSU either needs to think way outside of the box, or just shut the program down.



Actually, I think what we need is another slightly-better-than-mediocre-mid-major coach to turn this thing around.  The fourth times the charm!!!




Also, Dax, didn't you mention Jeff Bzdelik in your first coaching "wish list?"  He has an interesting resume and should get an interview, IMO.

Taking cues from ku fans now, Rusty?

Yep.  I told him it was a good idea.  Not nearly as good as Huggins, but a good idea nonetheless.  Dax thought of him first, though, IIRC.

February 22, 2006, 10:21:15 PM
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I'm not familiar with that guy. Care for a brief explanation, or do I have to look him up myself?

February 22, 2006, 10:53:14 PM
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I'm not familiar with that guy. Care for a brief explanation, or do I have to look him up myself?

He's the current head coach of Air Force, and former head coach of the Nuggets from 2002-2005.


Record as a head coach in the NBA               
               Reg Season      Playoffs   
 Year  Tm   Lg      W    L  WPct    W   L  WPct
+--------------+-----+----+-----+----+---+-----+
 2003  DEN  NBA    17   65  .207
 2004  DEN  NBA    43   39  .524    1   4  .200
 2005  DEN  NBA    13   15  .464
+--------------+-----+----+-----+----+---+-----+
  3 Seasons        73  119  .380    1   4  .200
+--------------+-----+----+-----+----+---+-----+

Current record at Air Force 22-5 (10-4), 2nd Mountain West.

February 22, 2006, 10:57:05 PM
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That was a clutch first "shot," john, thanks.

February 22, 2006, 11:26:32 PM
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getting on TV is one of the few things in this world that isn't fool's gold.

i can't tell you how much i have wanted to slap asbury (and altman and wooldridge even though they have only thought it, never said it) when he/they say "you can't recruit to manhattan".  absolute bullcrap.  the accurate way to phrase that is "you can't recruit to a team that doesn't play anyone of note in the non-con and damn near never plays on national TV"  stop the podunk schedules and play anyone, anytime, anywhere as long as it gets televised to a large part of the country and just watch how many recruits are all of a sudden interested in playing for KSU.

i can't tell you what kind of a schedule huggins would play, but he sure as hell would ensure more exposure for the program even without significantly improving the schedule.
"these are no longer “games” in the commonly accepted sense of the term. these are free throw shooting contests leavened by the occasional sprint to the other end of the floor."

February 23, 2006, 07:15:58 AM
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Prove it.

Bobby Knight.

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It worked at Cincinnati.  It might not work here.  Every coach you hire has the same chance to fail as they do to succeed.   You cannot guarantee that.  Odds favor you, but even those aren't insurmountable.

No, coaches that have won over 70% of their games at the highest level, had 20 twenty-win seasons out of 24, been to a final four, and won at three different schools is much much much more likely to be successful than a young guy with two years of head coaching experience at Southern Illinois.



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I don't have to think Cincinnati is or isn't.  The administration, and the people of Ohio have to think that way.   They didn't consult anyone else when they fired him.   He knew what it was supposed to be, and either didn't accept it, or did something to affect the image.   Despite your attempt to minimize it, Universities have images they feel they must protect.

As far as Snyder and JucoU, you accept what other people say about KSU, and I say, who cares?  It's not the truth.  KSU is a great institution of learning and the academic successes of the university speak for itself.   Since I didn't go to KSU on an athletic scholarship, it's important to me and many alumni that the institution itself maintain it's focus on it's academic programs that make successful people.   If you think I give a rats ass about what anyone else thinks about KSU being a Juco U, you'd find most people have little room to talk.    Ask Nebraska.

I DON'T give a rat's ass about what people think about KSU being "Juco U", which is exactly why I don't care about how Huggins could affect our academic reputation.

BTW, what do you think of Texas' academic reputation?



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Sorry, that's not how the process works.   Wefald does and will have a say.

I know that's how it works...that doesn't make him qualified to hire basketball coaches.



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Good for you.  But it hasn't helped them much, other than to get more exposure, which hasnt' exactly translated into trophies or championships.  At least at Indiana, he had that.  He got fired because of image.  Image doesn't hurt Texas Tech because those bastards already are known as thugs.

More exposure helps Texas Tech as a University, not just as a basketball team.  Even Wefald recognizes that successful athletic programs help universities.  Also, Knight will leave the basketball program in MUCH better shape than he found it, even if they don't have "trophies".





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Yes, I would agree with you that Huggins should get an interview.   There is no doubt that he could become a coach that would be good for KSU.  But it's not all about wins, and you seem to skip over the fact that other coaches might be able to do what he does to win AND are already committed to the academic image of the university.

Like who?

I would rather take a chance image-wise on a guy like Huggins than go through the same crap of taking a chance winning-wise with another no-name mediocre mid-major coach that just happens to be a nice guy.

I'd rather keep Wooldridge if we're going to keep hiring "nice" guys and hope they work out.

February 23, 2006, 07:29:11 AM
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getting on TV is one of the few things in this world that isn't fool's gold.

i can't tell you how much i have wanted to slap asbury (and altman and wooldridge even though they have only thought it, never said it) when he/they say "you can't recruit to manhattan".  absolute bullS**T.  the accurate way to phrase that is "you can't recruit to a team that doesn't play anyone of note in the non-con and damn near never plays on national TV"  stop the podunk schedules and play anyone, anytime, anywhere as long as it gets televised to a large part of the country and just watch how many recruits are all of a sudden interested in playing for KSU.

i can't tell you what kind of a schedule huggins would play, but he sure as hell would ensure more exposure for the program even without significantly improving the schedule.

I know he's usually played a top-25 caliber team midway through his conference schedule that was on ABC - Wake and Oklahoma State were the most recent.  Cincy had a built in rivalry with Xavier, and since 99-00 he played home-homes with schools like Minnesota, Oklahoma, Vandy, Purdue, LSU, Oregon (top 5 at the time), Clemson, had  neutral site games with UNC, Gonzaga, and Notre Dame and they played Memphis as an OOC game this season.  The strength of CUSA might have had something to do with scheduling quite a few big names, but I'm sure he would try to schedule at least one OOC game a year that would be on ESPN or ABC.