Phil Steele was on 610 this morning, 7-6, at 11am

[BMWJhawk]

Did someone say "52-21?"







 

[Mo-Money]

Games in purple pants, Don't Count!!!!   

[85catbacker]

5.  As I've pointed out, ku won road games in Manhattan, Boulder, Stillwater, and College Station.  Since when were those easy places to win?  Oklahoma lost to Colorado that year in Boulder.  Texas lost to K-State that year at home.  Texas also lost in College Station that season.  It's not like ku was just playing a bunch of nobodies.  I'd like to see how many teams go into Stillwater next season and come out with a victory.  

I'm still convinced that the win at Manhattan was the springboard for ku being able to get those 4 road wins.  Up to that point, there was still that lingering doubt that ku could win on the road.  KSU had a chance to really dominate the 1st Qtr of that game and put their foot on the Hawk's throat.  But Prince & Co were out coached by 'Gino & staff, the KSU players were not physically conditioned to compete for a full 40 min, and ku escaped with a win.  ku then won close games at CU and A&M.  Without the confidence & momentum gained by winning at KSU, I don't think they get both those wins.

Thank You Ron Prince    

[snauzages]

i believe i may be able to settle this dispute, Ksu>ku.  while ku was amazing in 07, ksu had many years where they were amazing too. i think there are some videos documenting said years. YW

[85catbacker]

ku and Nebraska are the favorites to win the North in '09. 

Based upon 08 results and what they both have returning, most would agree, although both have major questions to be answered. NU the QB, LBs, and proving 08's results (like in horse), ku the OL, LB's, DL, & D coaching. Looking at schedule, NU looks to be the favorite and if the breaks go against the hawks, they could finish a lot lower than they should (kind of like the 07 perfect storm in reverse).

No one in the North brings back a QB with as much experience and talent as Reesing.  No one in the North has a receiving corp like ku.  

No argument here.  An experienced productive QB is almost as important as a good point guard in NCAA BB.  As much as ku rivals hate TR and love to laugh at his short comings, I think most would give him props on his on-field performance.  If the questions on OL can be answered, and yes a HS TE converted DE RS Fr starting at LT is a HUGE question, the offense has a chance to be one of the best in the league.

I expect ku's defense to be much improved next year.  and if the defense is as improved as I think it will be, ku's going to be really, really good.

Great, I respect your opinion. But you do know what opinions are like don't you?  You can state this opinion all you like, but as you can see from the last 7 pages of worthless banter, the KSU fans aren't going to validate your opinion, and there are a lot arguments to poke holes in your opinion.  As I've said before, getting your hopes up based upon incoming players and players that have yet to prove they can be more than back-ups, is nothing but a recipe for disappointment. I should know, I've been there.
 

[j@yh@wks]

i believe i may be able to settle this dispute, Ksu>ku.  while ku was amazing in 07, ksu had many years where they were amazing too. i think there are some videos documenting said years. YW

Please, you still need 3 more DoD's to even the series.

[sonofdaxjones]

LOL . . . 77 SOS, played 6 of the worst defenses in college football, no conference teams that finished above .500 in conference, lost the only regular season game against a Final Top 25 team, 24 regular season games over a 2 year period and only 1 of those was against a Final Top 25 team, 1 winning season in conference since the inception of the league, 1 regular season win over a Final Top 25 in the Mangino era . . . everybody kiss our a$$, everybody validate us.

Only Tardville can try and pull that off. 

To Tardville . . . 

[j@yh@wks]

LOL . . . 77 SOS, played 6 of the worst defenses in college football, no conference teams that finished above .500 in conference, lost the only regular season game against a Final Top 25 team, 24 regular season games over a 2 year period and only 1 of those was against a Final Top 25 team, 1 winning season in conference since the inception of the league, 1 regular season win over a Final Top 25 in the Mangino era . . . everybody kiss our a$$, everybody validate us.

Only Tardville can try and pull that off. 

To Tardville . . . 

you really need to come up with something new.  i'm not here seeking any type of validation.  You won't change my mind about how great that season was and i'm not here expecting you to agree.  I'm here for the conversation and jokes, now if this was pointed at BMW i do apologize as he does need some validation.   

[mcmwcat]

Big Phil Steele!

[MadCat]

i believe i may be able to settle this dispute, Ksu>ku.  while ku was amazing in 07, ksu had many years where they were amazing too. i think there are some videos documenting said years. YW

Please, you still need 3 more DoD's to even the series.

Is there a prize for evening the series?  I think ukans would drop football before it happened to tell you the truth.

[sonofdaxjones]

What is it since they started the Governors Cup??

Something like 20-19-1 . . but that's "only" 40 years, and that's just not a long enough period of time for all those old timer ku "fans".

[j@yh@wks]

What is it since they started the Governors Cup??

Something like 20-19-1 . . but that's "only" 40 years, and that's just not a long enough period of time for all those old timer ku "fans".

oh dax, you funny guy.  For my son it's 2-0 ku.  I guess you guys need to get to work. 

[Guscat]

I keep seeing that "52-21" taunt on this board.  Good, Lord, what kind of retard "taunts" a rival when their record is 4-9 in conference play, their team has never won the division or conference, and is taunting fans of a school that is only 1 of 6 teams to go to 11 bowl games in a row.  "Harvard on the Kaw" indeed.  I have to admit, I like ku's chances of going to their 3 bowl game in a row.  Failing to do that at KSU gets coaches fired, but at ku, achieving that is a monumenal accomplishment. 

[j@yh@wks]

I keep seeing that "52-21" taunt on this board.  Good, Lord, what kind of retard "taunts" a rival when their record is 4-9 in conference play, their team has never won the division or conference, and is taunting fans of a school that is only 1 of 6 teams to go to 11 bowl games in a row.  "Harvard on the Kaw" indeed.  I have to admit, I like ku's chances of going to their 3 bowl game in a row.  Failing to do that at KSU gets coaches fired, but at ku, achieving that is a monumenal accomplishment. 

it is only a recent trend at KSU.  Just three coaches ago you would have been put into the hall for getting ksu to a bowl.  you shouldn't start acting like a nub fan.  quite being so sensitive about your DoD.  u want to call ku a fluke team and not have us get a little irritated but you get all pissy if someone says anything about the DODWOWASNCAOOB12C.

[sonofdaxjones]

Hawks . . . remember how and still Tardville tried to invalidate what we like to call the DOD??  I run back through those years, the rankings of the teams K-State played, how programs like CU and NU were absolute powerhouses as in some of the most dominate teams in college football.  I laugh when I think about how Tardville used to run around say stuff like, "K-State never plays anybody, K-State never beats anybody.".   Then I look at the 2006-2007 regular seasons for ku, and I just laugh and laugh seeing how ku only played 1 team that finished the season ranked during the course of 24 regular season games.   Terry Allen faced nearly twice as many ranked teams, and nearly three times as many ranked conference teams during his 5 years at ku, than Mark Mangino faced during his first 5 years at ku.  Yet recall how Tardville used to float these idiotic theories that K-State built its program under Snyder when programs like OU were down (Yet programs like CU and NU won 4 national titles, and played for 2 more during Bill Snyder's first 8 years at K-State, and in 1995 4 Big 8 teams finished in the Top 10)??   Back then there was no "off years" in avoiding the conferences 2 most powerful programs like ku and Mangino get to do every 2 years. 

As a comparison, Snyder's first 8 seasons look like a march through darkest recesses of hell, compared to Mangino's first 8 years which were a march through cupcake land.   Seriously, how do you go 5-7 and not play a single team that finished in the final Top 25 in 2006??   2007 and the best defense that ku faced during the regular season was . . .59th, 6 games against the absolute worst defenses in college football, a 77th Strength of Schedule??  Yet we're not supposed to at least get a little chuckle out of that??   

Come on dude . . . that's why I laugh so hard when Ben gets all  about that reality.

[j@yh@wks]

Come on dude . . . that's why I laugh so hard when Ben gets all  about that reality.

i skipped over the rest.  I do agree he gets a little sensitive sometimes.

[sonofdaxjones]

Come on dude . . . that's why I laugh so hard when Ben gets all  about that reality.

i skipped over the rest.  I do agree he gets a little sensitive sometimes.

Wut

[Brewcrew]

Hawks . . . remember how and still Tardville tried to invalidate what we like to call the DOD??  I run back through those years, the rankings of the teams K-State played, how programs like CU and NU were absolute powerhouses as in some of the most dominate teams in college football.  I laugh when I think about how Tardville used to run around say stuff like, "K-State never plays anybody, K-State never beats anybody.".   Then I look at the 2006-2007 regular seasons for ku, and I just laugh and laugh seeing how ku only played 1 team that finished the season ranked during the course of 24 regular season games.   Terry Allen faced nearly twice as many ranked teams, and nearly three times as many ranked conference teams during his 5 years at ku, than Mark Mangino faced during his first 5 years at ku.  Yet recall how Tardville used to float these idiotic theories that K-State built its program under Snyder when programs like OU were down (Yet programs like CU and NU won 4 national titles, and played for 2 more during Bill Snyder's first 8 years at K-State, and in 1995 4 Big 8 teams finished in the Top 10)??   Back then there was no "off years" in avoiding the conferences 2 most powerful programs like ku and Mangino get to do every 2 years. 

As a comparison, Snyder's first 8 seasons look like a march through darkest recesses of hell, compared to Mangino's first 8 years which were a march through cupcake land.   Seriously, how do you go 5-7 and not play a single team that finished in the final Top 25 in 2006??   2007 and the best defense that ku faced during the regular season was . . .59th, 6 games against the absolute worst defenses in college football, a 77th Strength of Schedule??  Yet we're not supposed to at least get a little chuckle out of that??   

Come on dude . . . that's why I laugh so hard when Ben gets all  about that reality.

Nail on the head jaynie...NU and CU were winning champoinships. dominant programs. face it.. ksu were also rans in the conference. solid team in the big 12...nothing more. thank you for proving my point.

[cireksu]

yeah, because finishing 2/3 to the national champs is awful t. tard.

[Brewcrew]

yeah, because finishing 2/3 to the national champs is awful t. tard.

never said awful but not as dominant as the purple shades suggest. 2/3 to a championship? either you're pregnant or you're not.

[sonofdaxjones]

Hawks . . . remember how and still Tardville tried to invalidate what we like to call the DOD??  I run back through those years, the rankings of the teams K-State played, how programs like CU and NU were absolute powerhouses as in some of the most dominate teams in college football.  I laugh when I think about how Tardville used to run around say stuff like, "K-State never plays anybody, K-State never beats anybody.".   Then I look at the 2006-2007 regular seasons for ku, and I just laugh and laugh seeing how ku only played 1 team that finished the season ranked during the course of 24 regular season games.   Terry Allen faced nearly twice as many ranked teams, and nearly three times as many ranked conference teams during his 5 years at ku, than Mark Mangino faced during his first 5 years at ku.  Yet recall how Tardville used to float these idiotic theories that K-State built its program under Snyder when programs like OU were down (Yet programs like CU and NU won 4 national titles, and played for 2 more during Bill Snyder's first 8 years at K-State, and in 1995 4 Big 8 teams finished in the Top 10)??   Back then there was no "off years" in avoiding the conferences 2 most powerful programs like ku and Mangino get to do every 2 years.  

As a comparison, Snyder's first 8 seasons look like a march through darkest recesses of hell, compared to Mangino's first 8 years which were a march through cupcake land.   Seriously, how do you go 5-7 and not play a single team that finished in the final Top 25 in 2006??   2007 and the best defense that ku faced during the regular season was . . .59th, 6 games against the absolute worst defenses in college football, a 77th Strength of Schedule??  Yet we're not supposed to at least get a little chuckle out of that??  

Come on dude . . . that's why I laugh so hard when Ben gets all   about that reality.

Nail on the head jaynie...NU and CU were winning champoinships. dominant programs. face it.. ksu were also rans in the conference. solid team in the big 12...nothing more. thank you for proving my point.

What point was that, and when did anyone say that K-State was better than CU and Nebraska between 1990-1997??  

Has anyone seen T. Brew and Tom "wushuck" Light in the same room at the same time??

If KSU was an "also ran" than ku was pretty much giving the conference a rim job during that period.

[Brewcrew]

Hawks . . . remember how and still Tardville tried to invalidate what we like to call the DOD??  I run back through those years, the rankings of the teams K-State played, how programs like CU and NU were absolute powerhouses as in some of the most dominate teams in college football.  I laugh when I think about how Tardville used to run around say stuff like, "K-State never plays anybody, K-State never beats anybody.".   Then I look at the 2006-2007 regular seasons for ku, and I just laugh and laugh seeing how ku only played 1 team that finished the season ranked during the course of 24 regular season games.   Terry Allen faced nearly twice as many ranked teams, and nearly three times as many ranked conference teams during his 5 years at ku, than Mark Mangino faced during his first 5 years at ku.  Yet recall how Tardville used to float these idiotic theories that K-State built its program under Snyder when programs like OU were down (Yet programs like CU and NU won 4 national titles, and played for 2 more during Bill Snyder's first 8 years at K-State, and in 1995 4 Big 8 teams finished in the Top 10)??   Back then there was no "off years" in avoiding the conferences 2 most powerful programs like ku and Mangino get to do every 2 years.  

As a comparison, Snyder's first 8 seasons look like a march through darkest recesses of hell, compared to Mangino's first 8 years which were a march through cupcake land.   Seriously, how do you go 5-7 and not play a single team that finished in the final Top 25 in 2006??   2007 and the best defense that ku faced during the regular season was . . .59th, 6 games against the absolute worst defenses in college football, a 77th Strength of Schedule??  Yet we're not supposed to at least get a little chuckle out of that??  

Come on dude . . . that's why I laugh so hard when Ben gets all   about that reality.

Nail on the head jaynie...NU and CU were winning champoinships. dominant programs. face it.. ksu were also rans in the conference. solid team in the big 12...nothing more. thank you for proving my point.

What point was that, and when did anyone say that K-State was better than CU and Nebraska between 1990-1997??  

Has anyone seen T. Brew and Tom "wushuck" Light in the same room at the same time??

If KSU was an "also ran" than ku was pretty much giving the conference a rim job during that period.

ku was abysmal at that time, duh......and ksuck was a good big 12 team...not great or they'd have more to show. One conference title is not dominance....and it's really history...after ku wins this year the teams will have split 5-5 I believe over the past decade. over fellas and it will never be recaptured..too much has changed. mean time I'll enjoy the hawks success while it lasts.

[sonofdaxjones]

I don't think anyone around here is expecting consecutive 11 win seasons again, just like we know that 2007 was and will be a statistical outlier for ku football built on the back of a joke of a schedule, and likely never to be repeated.   Because while ku gets its 2 year respite from OU, Texas, and Tech . . . Okie State has improved, and the Big 12 North will be a lot tougher then it has been these last few years.

[Brewcrew]

I don't think anyone around here is expecting consecutive 11 win seasons again, just like we know that 2007 was and will be a statistical outlier for ku football built on the back of a joke of a schedule, and likely never to be repeated.   Because while ku gets its 2 year respite from OU, Texas, and Tech . . . Okie State has improved, and the Big 12 North will be a lot tougher then it has been these last few years.

it is what it is...ksuck had NU and CU every year...ku has it's challenges too...I will take where the program is at with Mangino....talent continues to improve and we can have this conversation 5 years from now and know for sure.

[sonofdaxjones]

I don't think anyone around here is expecting consecutive 11 win seasons again, just like we know that 2007 was and will be a statistical outlier for ku football built on the back of a joke of a schedule, and likely never to be repeated.   Because while ku gets its 2 year respite from OU, Texas, and Tech . . . Okie State has improved, and the Big 12 North will be a lot tougher then it has been these last few years.

it is what it is...ksuck had NU and CU every year...ku has it's challenges too...I will take where the program is at with Mangino....talent continues to improve and we can have this conversation 5 years from now and know for sure.

Sure we can, but the track record to date pretty much reveals that 2007 was and likely will be the one off season for ku football, just like 1995, and ku isn't recruiting over the top talent, and until shown otherwise I am not at all convinced that there's a lot of coaching horsepower on the defensive side of the ball at ku.   Couple that with the reality that Lew Perkins is looking for any reason to can Mangino . . . there's no love between those two, and I don't care how many "cigar" stories that tardville tries to foist on us.

[BMWJhawk]

5.  As I've pointed out, ku won road games in Manhattan, Boulder, Stillwater, and College Station.  Since when were those easy places to win?  Oklahoma lost to Colorado that year in Boulder.  Texas lost to K-State that year at home.  Texas also lost in College Station that season.  It's not like ku was just playing a bunch of nobodies.  I'd like to see how many teams go into Stillwater next season and come out with a victory.  

I'm still convinced that the win at Manhattan was the springboard for ku being able to get those 4 road wins.  Up to that point, there was still that lingering doubt that ku could win on the road.  KSU had a chance to really dominate the 1st Qtr of that game and put their foot on the Hawk's throat.  But Prince & Co were out coached by 'Gino & staff, the KSU players were not physically conditioned to compete for a full 40 min, and ku escaped with a win.  ku then won close games at CU and A&M.  Without the confidence & momentum gained by winning at KSU, I don't think they get both those wins.

Thank You Ron Prince    

I agree.  I also think that the loss to ku was a turning point in the season for K-State.  You guys had just beaten Texas in Austin and were ranked in the top 25, then ku comes to town and takes the wind out of your sails.  From that point, K-State's season completely changed. 



 

[mcmwcat]

sodj=big phil steele?

 

[BMWJhawk]

Hawks . . . remember how and still Tardville tried to invalidate what we like to call the DOD??  I run back through those years, the rankings of the teams K-State played, how programs like CU and NU were absolute powerhouses as in some of the most dominate teams in college football.  I laugh when I think about how Tardville used to run around say stuff like, "K-State never plays anybody, K-State never beats anybody.".   Then I look at the 2006-2007 regular seasons for ku, and I just laugh and laugh seeing how ku only played 1 team that finished the season ranked during the course of 24 regular season games.   Terry Allen faced nearly twice as many ranked teams, and nearly three times as many ranked conference teams during his 5 years at ku, than Mark Mangino faced during his first 5 years at ku.  Yet recall how Tardville used to float these idiotic theories that K-State built its program under Snyder when programs like OU were down (Yet programs like CU and NU won 4 national titles, and played for 2 more during Bill Snyder's first 8 years at K-State, and in 1995 4 Big 8 teams finished in the Top 10)??   Back then there was no "off years" in avoiding the conferences 2 most powerful programs like ku and Mangino get to do every 2 years. 

As a comparison, Snyder's first 8 seasons look like a march through darkest recesses of hell, compared to Mangino's first 8 years which were a march through cupcake land.   Seriously, how do you go 5-7 and not play a single team that finished in the final Top 25 in 2006??   2007 and the best defense that ku faced during the regular season was . . .59th, 6 games against the absolute worst defenses in college football, a 77th Strength of Schedule??  Yet we're not supposed to at least get a little chuckle out of that??   

Come on dude . . . that's why I laugh so hard when Ben gets all  about that reality.

ku finished 6-6 that year and blew games against Toledo, Nebraska, and Baylor.  That's how you go 6-6 against a relatively weak schedule.  

[Brewcrew]

I don't think anyone around here is expecting consecutive 11 win seasons again, just like we know that 2007 was and will be a statistical outlier for ku football built on the back of a joke of a schedule, and likely never to be repeated.   Because while ku gets its 2 year respite from OU, Texas, and Tech . . . Okie State has improved, and the Big 12 North will be a lot tougher then it has been these last few years.

it is what it is...ksuck had NU and CU every year...ku has it's challenges too...I will take where the program is at with Mangino....talent continues to improve and we can have this conversation 5 years from now and know for sure.

Sure we can, but the track record to date pretty much reveals that 2007 was and likely will be the one off season for ku football, just like 1995, and ku isn't recruiting over the top talent, and until shown otherwise I am not at all convinced that there's a lot of coaching horsepower on the defensive side of the ball at ku.   Couple that with the reality that Lew Perkins is looking for any reason to can Mangino . . . there's no love between those two, and I don't care how many "cigar" stories that tardville tries to foist on us.

Don't see Mangino getting canned. ee him leaving before he gets canned. He won an OB with 2 & 3 star talent and has recently moved up to 3 and occasional 4 star talent. Recruits who would not talk to us now are considering us. A couple more successful seasons and suddenly he could get more top recruits and parlay it from there. with what he has already done it certainly is not out of the realm of posibilty.

[feralchat]

In games played without leather helmets it's probably pretty close. I don't think K-State won in the first 30 years of the series. But really, I could give a shi† about those games.