Phil Steele was on 610 this morning, 7-6, at 11am

[catzacker]

either way, i can't wait for this thread to be bumped in about 5 months.

[opcat]

http://www.810whb.com/podcasts

[j@yh@wks]

1.  The ku coaching staff was looking for someone to replace Steve Tovar as LB's coach.

LoL.  I love when coaches leave to "pursue other personal interests."

2.  The '07 defense was better when you consider that it had two All-Americans and finished with a 12-1 record.

I believe the O played a pretty big part in the 12-1 record.  Maybe you should check out the record of the 05 team and the O that played that year.    

3.  So you admit that your dislike for Bowen is personal, and has nothing to do with his coaching ability.  Thanks for completely invalidating yourself.

Actually my dislike of him is from the bad defensive coaching I saw last year.  The rest is just irritation about his bad coaching.  If he was a good DC I wouldn't care about his involvement.  I do like how you are proving to me that you never watched a game before 07 though.  

 

[j@yh@wks]

particularly the fluke 2007 ku teams a$$

Damnit dax it wasn't a fluke,  it was a very good team with a very easy schedule. 

[j@yh@wks]

He was way off in 07 and here's to ku proving he is way off this year.

I would like to apologize to BMW though.  If you are only 2 years old so couldn't see a game before 07 I am truly sorry.  Your vocabulary is way above average for your age though, you should probably skip Preschool and go straight to the big Uno.  School lunches and recess, yeah.

[fatty fat fat]

every team has more "depth" and "that one guy that had late offers from michigan and oklahoma"

[sonofdaxjones]

every team has more "depth" and "that one guy that had late offers from michigan and oklahoma"

QFT . . .

[BMWJhawk]

1.  The ku coaching staff was looking for someone to replace Steve Tovar as LB's coach.

LoL.  I love when coaches leave to "pursue other personal interests."

2.  The '07 defense was better when you consider that it had two All-Americans and finished with a 12-1 record.

I believe the O played a pretty big part in the 12-1 record.  Maybe you should check out the record of the 05 team and the O that played that year.    

3.  So you admit that your dislike for Bowen is personal, and has nothing to do with his coaching ability.  Thanks for completely invalidating yourself.

Actually my dislike of him is from the bad defensive coaching I saw last year.  The rest is just irritation about his bad coaching.  If he was a good DC I wouldn't care about his involvement.  I do like how you are proving to me that you never watched a game before 07 though.  

 

I've been attending ku football games since I was a little kid... back when Glen Mason was coach and there might have been 20,000 people in the stands for a home game against UAB.  Perhaps you could provide an example of Bowen's "bad coaching."  His system was the exact same as Bill Young's.  Also, Bowen's adjustments at the end of the year seemed to really improve the defense.  For example, switching Justin Thornton to cornerback and bringing James Holt off of the weakside d-end position on occasion.  You can blame Bowen all you want, but he wasn't the main reason for the drop-off in '08.  

[fatty fat fat]

every team has more "depth" and "that one guy that had late offers from michigan and oklahoma"

Bullsh*t.  Your program is a perfect example of very little depth and very little talent on either side of the ball.  Your QB situation is laughable, by the way.



 

that's awesome bmw. keep thinking ku is the only program adding players and trying to get better.

[FHSU92]

1.  The ku coaching staff was looking for someone to replace Steve Tovar as LB's coach. 

2.  The '07 defense was better when you consider that it had two All-Americans and finished with a 12-1 record. 

3.  So you admit that your dislike for Bowen is personal, and has nothing to do with his coaching ability.  Thanks for completely invalidating yourself.


 

Would they have been AA's with a tougher schedule (which would also have changed the 12-1 to 10-3).

Seems to me, everything boils down to a cupcake schedule. 

[LimestoneOutcropping]

every team has more "depth" and "that one guy that had late offers from michigan and oklahoma"

Bullsh*t.  Your program is a perfect example of very little depth and very little talent on either side of the ball.  Your QB situation is laughable, by the way.



 

If Reesing goes down, uk will be in the same boat.  LOL at Kale Pick.


And to pretend that uk ever drew 20k for a UAB game during the Mason era is hilarious.  Maybe 12k.

[catdude33]

particularly the fluke 2007 ku teams a$$

Damnit dax it wasn't a fluke,  it was a very good team with a very easy schedule. 

Actually the definition of Fluke is "a stroke of good luck" or "a chance occurrence".  I think the fact that the best ku team in its history aligning the same year as the easiest schedule in college football would qualify as a "chance occurrence" and "a stroke of good luck".  Thus, the use of the word fluke in describing the 2007 jayhawks is not only applicable but downright felicitous.

[fatty fat fat]

particularly the fluke 2007 ku teams a$$

Damnit dax it wasn't a fluke,  it was a very good team with a very easy schedule. 

Actually the definition of Fluke is "a stroke of good luck" or "a chance occurrence".  I think the fact that the best ku team in its history aligning the same year as the easiest schedule in college football would qualify as a "chance occurrence" and "a stroke of good luck".  Thus, the use of the word fluke in describing the 2007 jayhawks is not only applicable but downright felicitous.

yes, but if we play that season again, ku goes 12-1 again. that's prolly his point.

[MadCat]

particularly the fluke 2007 ku teams a$$

Damnit dax it wasn't a fluke,  it was a very good team with a very easy schedule. 

Actually the definition of Fluke is "a stroke of good luck" or "a chance occurrence".  I think the fact that the best ku team in its history aligning the same year as the easiest schedule in college football would qualify as a "chance occurrence" and "a stroke of good luck".  Thus, the use of the word fluke in describing the 2007 jayhawks is not only applicable but downright felicitous.

yes, but if we play that season again, ku goes 12-1 again. that's prolly his point.

We'll prolly be 5-7 again. 

[BMWJhawk]

every team has more "depth" and "that one guy that had late offers from michigan and oklahoma"

Bullsh*t.  Your program is a perfect example of very little depth and very little talent on either side of the ball.  Your QB situation is laughable, by the way.



 

that's awesome bmw. keep thinking ku is the only program adding players and trying to get better.

When did I suggest that was the case?  Hint: never.  




 

[sonofdaxjones]

So let me get this straight.

The Bentard demands that we believe him when he says that ku's defense is going to be a lot better, particularly because they got some Juco guy who had last minute offers from OU and Michigan. (hell they just might be, my whole point is that I don't think the coaching horsepower exists on the defensive side of the ball over in Tardville to really cause any significant improvement). 

But we can't for one second think (and I am not saying we really are thinking this, in fact I think most of us want to see it before we'll believe it) that the addition of a pretty solid transfer from a Big East School, and the addition of of a guy who by all accounts  has tremendous talent will not help K-State's QB depth??  

That's some significant shortdick syndrome there.

Classic Bentard.

[BMWJhawk]

particularly the fluke 2007 ku teams a$$

Damnit dax it wasn't a fluke,  it was a very good team with a very easy schedule. 

Actually the definition of Fluke is "a stroke of good luck" or "a chance occurrence".  I think the fact that the best ku team in its history aligning the same year as the easiest schedule in college football would qualify as a "chance occurrence" and "a stroke of good luck".  Thus, the use of the word fluke in describing the 2007 jayhawks is not only applicable but downright felicitous.

Yes... such a "fluke" that ku covered the spread in every single game except one.  Such a "fluke" that ku beat #3 Va Tech in the BCS Orange Bowl.  Such a "fluke" that the next season ku beat K-State by an even wider margin, 52-21.  Hey, whatever makes you little EMAW's feel better about the state of your pathetic football program.  

[catdude33]

particularly the fluke 2007 ku teams a$$

Damnit dax it wasn't a fluke,  it was a very good team with a very easy schedule. 

Actually the definition of Fluke is "a stroke of good luck" or "a chance occurrence".  I think the fact that the best ku team in its history aligning the same year as the easiest schedule in college football would qualify as a "chance occurrence" and "a stroke of good luck".  Thus, the use of the word fluke in describing the 2007 jayhawks is not only applicable but downright felicitous.

Yes... such a "fluke" that ku covered the spread in every single game except one.  Such a "fluke" that ku beat #3 Va Tech in the BCS Orange Bowl.  Such a "fluke" that the next season ku beat K-State by an even wider margin, 52-21.  Hey, whatever makes you little EMAW's feel better about the state of your pathetic football program.  

Did you even read my post?

[fatty fat fat]

bmw is a monster and i'm getting out of the way.

[BMWJhawk]

So let me get this straight.

The Bentard demands that we believe him when he says that ku's defense is going to be a lot better, particularly because they got some Juco guy who had last minute offers from OU and Michigan. (hell they just might be, my whole point is that I don't think the coaching horsepower exists on the defensive side of the ball over in Tardville to really cause any significant improvement). 

But we can't for one second think (and I am not saying we really are thinking this, in fact I think most of us want to see it before we'll believe it) that the addition of a pretty solid transfer from a Big East School, and the addition of of a guy who by all accounts  has tremendous talent will not help K-State's QB depth??  

That's some significant shortdick syndrome there.

Classic Bentard.

1.  Brooks had offers to Oklahoma, Tennessee, and Auburn, among others.  The offers came last minute because Brooks didn't expect to qualify for D-1 until late in the recruiting process.  

2.  Woods, the 6'6 4-star d-end, committed to Michigan out of high school.  For some reason, I expect him to improve ku's depth at the d-end position.

3.  Gregory was a 2nd-stringer for South Florida.  Sorry if I'm not willing to say that he'll be an upgrade over a 1st round NFL Draft pick.  


 

[fatty fat fat]

bmw, are you disregarding all recruits w/o offers from a "michigan, oklahoma..." type school?

 

[LimestoneOutcropping]

I am agreeing with Ben, who has more football knowledge than PS, uk is a lock for the North.

If they don't win the North, huge choke job.  And really shows 2007 was a massive fluke.

[BMWJhawk]

bmw, are you disregarding all recruits w/o offers from a "michigan, oklahoma..." type school?

 

Nope... For instance, one of my favorite recruits in ku's '09 recruiting class is Julian Jones, and his only other listed offer was to New Mexico State.  

[fatty fat fat]

bmw, are you disregarding all recruits w/o offers from a "michigan, oklahoma..." type school?

 

Nope... For instance, one of my favorite recruits in ku's '09 recruiting class is Julian Jones, and his only other listed offer was to New Mexico State. 

well, when you pump up a player solely because of his impressive offers, you disregard players w/NMSU type offers.

again, just trying to be fair here.

[BMWJhawk]

Using 'Pad's "logic," ku's inevitable drop-off offensively in '10 will be because of Ed Warriner, not because of the loss of Reesing, Briscoe, etc.  



 

[sonofdaxjones]

So let me get this straight.

The Bentard demands that we believe him when he says that ku's defense is going to be a lot better, particularly because they got some Juco guy who had last minute offers from OU and Michigan. (hell they just might be, my whole point is that I don't think the coaching horsepower exists on the defensive side of the ball over in Tardville to really cause any significant improvement). 

But we can't for one second think (and I am not saying we really are thinking this, in fact I think most of us want to see it before we'll believe it) that the addition of a pretty solid transfer from a Big East School, and the addition of of a guy who by all accounts  has tremendous talent will not help K-State's QB depth??  

That's some significant shortdick syndrome there.

Classic Bentard.

1.  Brooks had offers to Oklahoma, Tennessee, and Auburn, among others.  The offers came last minute because Brooks didn't expect to qualify for D-1 until late in the recruiting process.  (That's nice, many schools have players with the same story . . . BFD)

2.  Woods, the 6'6 4-star d-end, committed to Michigan out of high school.  For some reason, I expect him to improve ku's depth at the d-end position. (never said he wouldn't, that was never my point dumbass)

3.  Gregory was a 2nd-stringer for South Florida.  Sorry if I'm not willing to say that he'll be an upgrade over a 1st round NFL Draft pick. (never for one second said he'd be an upgrade dumbass . . . I said depth . . . that's depth . . . can you even read?) 


 

I'd also like for you to expand on, "there's no way it was a fluke, they beat the spread" logic.  (here's a hint: do it from the standpoint of how the spread is actually determined once the betting week progresses towards game time).

[sonofdaxjones]

Using 'Pad's "logic," ku's inevitable drop-off offensively in '10 will be because of Ed Warriner, not because of the loss of Reesing, Briscoe, etc.  



 

If ku's offense drops 80 spots year over year, than yeah, I'll do what any non dumbass does, I'll start looking at the coaching.

[BMWJhawk]

1.  When a team covers the spread, you can rule out the luck factor.  Find me an example of one game that ku won in '07 strictly because of luck.  (Here's a hint: you can't, because it didn't happen.)  

2.  If ku's offense drops 80 spots, it probably has a lot more to do with the replacements for Reesing, Briscoe, etc. than what play Warriner is calling from the sidelines.  

3.  Calm down, 'Pad.  No need to throw around "dumbass" and "tard" like it's your job.  Tone down the     

[j@yh@wks]

1.  The ku coaching staff was looking for someone to replace Steve Tovar as LB's coach.

LoL.  I love when coaches leave to "pursue other personal interests."

2.  The '07 defense was better when you consider that it had two All-Americans and finished with a 12-1 record.

I believe the O played a pretty big part in the 12-1 record.  Maybe you should check out the record of the 05 team and the O that played that year.    

3.  So you admit that your dislike for Bowen is personal, and has nothing to do with his coaching ability.  Thanks for completely invalidating yourself.

Actually my dislike of him is from the bad defensive coaching I saw last year.  The rest is just irritation about his bad coaching.  If he was a good DC I wouldn't care about his involvement.  I do like how you are proving to me that you never watched a game before 07 though.  

 

I've been attending ku football games since I was a little kid... back when Glen Mason was coach and there might have been 20,000 people in the stands for a home game against UAB.  Perhaps you could provide an example of Bowen's "bad coaching."  His system was the exact same as Bill Young's.  Also, Bowen's adjustments at the end of the year seemed to really improve the defense.  For example, switching Justin Thornton to cornerback and bringing James Holt off of the weakside d-end position on occasion.  You can blame Bowen all you want, but he wasn't the main reason for the drop-off in '08.  

I think the out of position players and horrible tackling is the only examples you really need.  Yeah the D improved over the course of the year but that isn't saying much.  Again, if Clint is doing such an outstanding job why did he get demoted?  I have never been demoted for doing my job.  and seriously a good coach would of had Holt coming off that weak-side at the beginning of the year.  Another example for you is the half time adjustments, or lack of.  I bet your watching experience is actually more 1995, 2007(just after September) and 2008.  funny how Young goes to Miami and they improve while the team he leaves goes down hill, can't be the coaching.

[sonofdaxjones]

1.  When a team covers the spread, you can rule out the luck factor.  Find me an example of one game that ku won in '07 strictly because of luck.  (Here's a hint: you can't, because it didn't happen.) (no one here has claimed on any level that ku won a particular game in 2007 in some sort of "lucky" fashion, we are saying that a good ku team played an extremely weak schedule, in fact I believe it was the or close to the weakest schedule of any BCS conference school . . . and while Mangino may try his best, that will be a situation that will likely never happen again.   When the schedule got tougher the next year, ku was right back at .500 in conference play, pretty much where ku always is in conference play)

2.  If ku's offense drops 80 spots, it probably has a lot more to do with the replacements for Reesing, Briscoe, etc. than what play Warriner is calling from the sidelines. (my point has nothing to do with individual play calling at all . . . never has been the point, never will be the point)

3.  Calm down, 'Pad.  No need to throw around "dumbass" and "tard" like it's your job.  Tone down the   factor. (it is what it is, when you constantly deploy the logic you use, there are no other words that can describe it)