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June 12, 2009, 10:05:14 AM
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I just love that I so easily shifted this thread to kurt McGuffin, who most on this board have never heard of.

I don't know what he does really, or how good he is, but he hooks me up from time to time, so he stays

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June 12, 2009, 10:05:46 AM
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Quit crushin' on me, Steve Dave.

By the way, Spani's point about having the appropriate focus on those who can provide the biggest financial buck is a valid one. I just don't see why you can't do both when it's been done by those before you. But, hey, I can't believe this topic is taking up so much of our time and energy. It's obvious it's summer. We're bored. I'll start a band thread to really pick up the pace.

Truce, Spani? If you don't say yes, I will crush you like a dove in Al Bohl's driveway...


June 12, 2009, 10:07:34 AM
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June 12, 2009, 10:10:17 AM
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Okay McGuffin stays if he promises to give reach arounds to $5,000 annual donors and pretends to give a F_ck.


But great post by Wabash . . . has anyone seen McGuffin and Matt McMillan in the same room at the same time??
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June 12, 2009, 10:24:19 AM
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Truce, Spani? If you don't say yes, I will crush you like a dove in Al Bohl's driveway...


Agreed that a couple pages of McGuffin talk is pretty pathetic.  I sure didn't mean to give the impression that I thought he was driving the fund-raising bus, but I had heard (no idea how true it is) that he was building some in-roads with some folks who could make a difference.  And I agree he could probably work the room a little better, but he just doesn't seem to be a natural glad-hander.  My only significant point was that if McGuffin is building in-roads, he needs to be kept, even if he's not Ernie Barret, and never will be.

Back to the real point of the thread, my opinion is that Wefald and Krause did whatever they wanted with the ath dept, and kept everyone else in the dark.  The apparent firing of Epps and Cavello was about making room for someone who could bring value to the ath dept, and had little or nothing to do with secret buyouts and contract extensions. jmo.

   

June 12, 2009, 10:33:45 AM
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I tend to agree with Spani . . . Weefer and Krause were in their own little world . . . IMO.  Everbody else was just along for the ride good or bad.

Albeit Tardville is floating their latest conspiracy, that Bill Snyder knew all about the Secret Deal and he's got blood money on his hands.

Why would Bill Snyder be party to a secret deal that paid a defrocked former coach millions of dollars, particularly when I am sure Snyder had it in the back of his mind that he might coach again.     


June 12, 2009, 11:05:01 AM
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Weefer and Krause were in their own little world . . .

The Weefdom...

June 12, 2009, 11:05:42 AM
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what the f does Mike Clark do?

June 12, 2009, 11:07:25 AM
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what the f does Mike Clark do?

He used to talk at Catbacker functions about the basketball facility improvements....god knows he's not doing that now. 
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June 12, 2009, 11:14:00 AM
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what the f does Mike Clark do?

He used to talk at Catbacker functions about the basketball facility improvements....god knows he's not doing that now. 

i used this thing called "google" (heard of it from a friend) and apparently, he's the Director of Development (the dude who replaced Ernie).  Weiser hired him.

June 12, 2009, 11:38:30 AM
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June 12, 2009, 01:28:02 PM
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I think its pretty awesome that people who have absolutely no clue what these AD people do on a daily basis are passing judgements about how well they do it.

June 12, 2009, 01:53:43 PM
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I think its pretty awesome that people who have absolutely no clue what these AD people do on a daily basis are passing judgements about how well they do it.

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June 12, 2009, 02:04:07 PM
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I think its pretty awesome that people who have absolutely no clue what these AD people do on a daily basis are passing judgements about how well they do it.

Welcome to the real world . . . .where people who don't have a clue what other people do everyday pass judgment all the time based on their perception of the end results. 

The end results right now for K-State athletics are a ship with a new captain trying to get the rudder fixed, and a major facilities project that for right now is dead in the water. 

June 12, 2009, 02:14:27 PM
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Hey, Dax:

Don't mean to hijack this thread, but share your opinions on all the ADs dating back to Steve Miller. Yes, you have to include Milt Richards. And you must give the good and the bad.

For instance: Milt Richard was a horrific fit at K-State. Talked like a girl. Turned off so many donors from Western Kansas they almost had a mutiny. Pro: I don't know one, but I heard he was a good manager. At least for all of the five days it seemed he was on the job.

Now go....

June 12, 2009, 02:31:06 PM
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I think its pretty awesome that people who have absolutely no clue what these AD people do on a daily basis are passing judgements about how well they do it.

Welcome to the real world . . . .where people who don't have a clue what other people do everyday pass judgment all the time based on their perception of the end results. 

The end results right now for K-State athletics are a ship with a new captain trying to get the rudder fixed, and a major facilities project that for right now is dead in the water. 

Oh I have no problem with people critiquing high-profile jobs, like UP or AD. Even those who did not ask to be placed into high-profile jobs, like the Deputy AD and so forth. I guess my problem is more with some of the names in this thread, where no one on this board really understands what the job actually is — unlike a coach or AD (even though most people don't really understand those, it comes with the territory). I guess it seems a little more stupid to say someone should be fired when some of you guys don't know anything about them or their job, other than a title.

How about we let Currie do the job of evaluating who needs to go — he has already proven to have a pretty good read on that so far.

June 12, 2009, 02:37:06 PM
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I think its pretty awesome that people who have absolutely no clue what these AD people do on a daily basis are passing judgements about how well they do it.

Welcome to the real world . . . .where people who don't have a clue what other people do everyday pass judgment all the time based on their perception of the end results. 

The end results right now for K-State athletics are a ship with a new captain trying to get the rudder fixed, and a major facilities project that for right now is dead in the water. 

Oh I have no problem with people critiquing high-profile jobs, like UP or AD. Even those who did not ask to be placed into high-profile jobs, like the Deputy AD and so forth. I guess my problem is more with some of the names in this thread, where no one on this board really understands what the job actually is — unlike a coach or AD (even though most people don't really understand those, it comes with the territory). I guess it seems a little more stupid to say someone should be fired when some of you guys don't know anything about them or their job, other than a title.

How about we let Currie do the job of evaluating who needs to go — he has already proven to have a pretty good read on that so far.

What are your completely anonymous feelings on who needs/needed to go and who needs to stay?  Serious question here so please answer or feel free to PM if needed. 
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June 12, 2009, 02:47:20 PM
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Okay well . . . my 2 pennies on them (and my opinion is probably worth less than that even)

Steve Miller in person could be a real A-Hole.   But as crazy as it sounds it was maybe the best person to have as the AD when K-State athletics was in dire straits and needed to turn around football.  He wasn't afraid of debt, and he wasn't afraid to ask for things.   Hell, at the 1984 Olympics in LA Steve Miller talked with the LA Olympic officials about what they were going to do with the Pole Vault and High Jump mats, and the implement racks . . . and when they said they didn't know, the next we knew all that stuff was at K-State for the price of shipping.  

Milt Richards . . . never quite got that, but the irony is, a whole bunch of stuff got done under Milt Richard's watch.  The Dev Nelson pressbox, the indoor practice facility and a bunch of stuff to Vanier.   Richards also started to get a handle on the little debt issue that Steve Miller created . . . as far as K-State goes, Milt Richards would've been a great associate AD, but never should have been the AD.  

Max Urick . . . Max IMO may have been the worst thing to happen to K-State sports.  Terrible fund raiser . . . he was just a shop keeper.  Did okay with the books, couldn't ask for money to save his soul, tried to take the easy way, and he proved he had no business being an AD when he whined about how the business of college athletics was getting out of control.  Of course by this juncture I am guessing having Wefald around was a real pain in the ass as well.   Did make the right call in imposing mandatory Ahearn donations for much of KSU stadium.  

Tim Weiser . . . In many ways Weiser was very good.  He made the right call on the radio deal, he got some facilities disasters shored up, he put together two lucrative sponsorship deals.   He put K-State athletics well into the black and built up a solid cash reserve.   But you can only polish your pennies for so long in the Big 12.   They completely missed the opportunities after the 2003 season.   He hiim'd and hawed way to long on the basketball practice facility . . . IMO you can only let the underlings be out front on fund raising for so long.  He was a weak voice in allowing the overall university fund raising campaign to control what athletics did.  He wasn't a very inspiring guy, and come on, whether Weefer made the final call or not, you know Timmy was all gushed up about hiring a black coach for football.   He completely mismanaged the Huggins affair, and didn't have a clue as to how to deal with a guy like Bob Huggins.  

Bob Krause . . . again, I completely missed the boat on my opinion of him, I got deluded into thinking that there has to be somebody behind the scenes that made the Weefer look good.   I figured he's be a little sleazy to try to get his pet facilities projects done, but he get it done with only minor short term damage to the finances.  LOL . . . he could've set K-state back for years with the help of the Weefer.

I could also offer an opinion on Dick Towers and Larry Travis . . . I know you all will be begging to hear it.   :jerkoff:

June 12, 2009, 03:21:28 PM
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like, I don't have to be the captain of an exxon oil tanker to know if a tanker hits a f'ing reef and causes astronomical damages, that the captain f'd up.  And not just the captain but all the other dipsh*ts helping navigate that mf'er. 


June 12, 2009, 03:23:56 PM
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like, I don't have to be the captain of an exxon oil tanker to know if a tanker hits a f'ing reef and causes astronomical damages, that the captain f'd up.  And not just the captain but all the other dipsh*ts helping navigate that mf'er. 



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June 12, 2009, 03:42:19 PM
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  And not just the captain but all the other dipsh*ts helping navigate that mf'er. 



Even the guy that was ignored or shouted down when he said "Hey, Cap'n, you might want to turn on that GPS.  There are a lot of reefs out here." 

Or what about the guy that was scrubbing the deck, and wasn't allowed to speak to the Captain, but told the guy holding the mop bucket, "The Cap'n is about to run into that reef up there, I wish he would change course."


Not saying either applies to anyone in the KSU ath dept.

June 12, 2009, 03:48:36 PM
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Dax- what's your first impressions of our new administration?

June 12, 2009, 03:58:31 PM
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Dax- what's your first impressions of our new administration?

So far I like them.  But they're Mid-Atlantic born and bred, will that work with some of K-State's closed minded constituency??


June 12, 2009, 04:03:44 PM
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  And not just the captain but all the other dipsh*ts helping navigate that mf'er. 



Even the guy that was ignored or shouted down when he said "Hey, Cap'n, you might want to turn on that GPS.  There are a lot of reefs out here." 

Or what about the guy that was scrubbing the deck, and wasn't allowed to speak to the Captain, but told the guy holding the mop bucket, "The Cap'n is about to run into that reef up there, I wish he would change course."


Not saying either applies to anyone in the KSU ath dept.


so you're saying mcguffin wasn't a strong enough presence in the room to make his opinion heard and acted upon.  and you want to keep him around?  there's very little downside to getting rid of him (losing what little momentum we have) and a lot of upside to cleaning house (renewed faith in our athletic dept by people who might be willing to give money to the dept after this circus they've spent our money on).

my view of our former athletic dept and the entire crew?  they were a joke and i'd never waste another dime with them.



and ya, wabash owns this thread


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June 12, 2009, 05:34:42 PM
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so you're saying mcguffin wasn't a strong enough presence in the room to make his opinion heard and acted upon.  and you want to keep him around?  there's very little downside to getting rid of him (losing what little momentum we have) and a lot of upside to cleaning house (renewed faith in our athletic dept by people who might be willing to give money to the dept after this circus they've spent our money on).

my view of our former athletic dept and the entire crew?  they were a joke and i'd never waste another dime with them.

and ya, wabash owns this thread

No.  I'm saying that the captain and the first-mate locked themselves on the bridge, turned off the GPS, ripped the radio off the wall, and drove the ship wherever the frank they wanted to, and would not allow anyone else to have any input.  Is this not common knowledge after the Weiser fall-out?  As I said above, I don't know for sure what McGuffin's contribution is/was, but Currie obviously isn't afraid to lop off heads, and he has no connection or loyalty to any of the old-guard, so if McGuffin didn't have something that he was bringing to the table, he'd be gone already.

McGuffin's number is on the website--you should call him up and ask him to apologize for not schmoozing you properly.