Updated Big 12 COTY as of 3.2 (this is a pole)

[pissclams]

but right now i'll say anderson has been the most impressive.  doing very well(big xii standings, top 10 ap) with mostly crap talent(per rsci.)

why ignore that he's done very well against crap talent?

That might be a good argument if you're talking about his noncon, but in conference he's beaten ku (8 top 100 RSCI players) , NU (1), ISU twice(1), UT(9), Baylor(6), OSU(4).  All of those teams have equal or better talent(if you believe rsci.)

i'm talking about Anderson's entire coaching resume this season.  and I'm talking about him getting to where he is by beating up crap teams.  I don't care about RSCI.   Anderson's SoS = 86th in the country.  seff's is 33rd.

[steve dave]

but right now i'll say anderson has been the most impressive.  doing very well(big xii standings, top 10 ap) with mostly crap talent(per rsci.)

why ignore that he's done very well against crap talent?

That might be a good argument if you're talking about his noncon, but in conference he's beaten ku (8 top 100 RSCI players) , NU (1), ISU twice(1), UT(9), Baylor(6), OSU(4).  All of those teams have equal or better talent(if you believe rsci.)

i'm talking about Anderson's entire coaching resume this season.  and I'm talking about him getting to where he is by beating up crap teams.  I don't care about RSCI.   Anderson's SoS = 86th in the country.  seff's is 33rd.

What's Capel's?

[pissclams]

69th

[steve dave]

69th

thanks

[sys]

i've always thought of coach of the year as "best exceeding of expecations".  'clams is treating it like "who did the best at putting together a good team and coaching it".


more logical, but then, just give to whoever wins the conference.  no need to vote.

[pissclams]

i've always thought of coach of the year as "best exceeding of expecations".  'clams is treating it like "who did the best at putting together a good team and coaching it".


more logical, but then, just give to whoever wins the conference.  no need to vote.

the conference seems to treat it that way too (who did the best at putting together a good team and coaching it).  there's no doubt that MU has exceeded expectations this season, but then again, so has ku.  few would have envisioned a 1 loss ku team at this point in the year back in October with what they lost last year.

[ltrain37]

i've always thought of coach of the year as "best exceeding of expecations".  'clams is treating it like "who did the best at putting together a good team and coaching it".


more logical, but then, just give to whoever wins the conference.  no need to vote.

the conference seems to treat it that way too (who did the best at putting together a good team and coaching it).  there's no doubt that MU has exceeded expectations this season, but then again, so has ku.  few would have envisioned a 1 loss ku team at this point in the year back in October with what they lost last year.

Both teams have been better than expected (and so have the cats to an extent)...although it doesn't hurt that texass and baylor are gawd awful.

[ksuequalspalin]

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[CatsNShocks]

I vote for massa seff.  He doesn't have the best player in the country (like Capel) and let's face it KSU's start was awful.  MU has a decent record, but doesn't strike me as a team thats "going places."  

Never have understood this argument.
You can't be a good coach and have good players? Maybe Capel has the best player in the country because he went out and recruited. #2 team in the country has to have more than one quality player on it.

And one player does not a team make...

[doom]

Anderson has done more with less.  We lowered expectations exponentially and then exceeded them.  I think Anderson has to be in the best position currently. 

[pissclams]

Anderson has done more with less.  We lowered expectations exponentially and then exceeded them.  I think Anderson has to be in the best position currently. 

Explain how Anderson has done more with less- 

[pissclams]

Obviously I'm sticking with Masta Seff.  You clowns still consider CMA COTY? GMAFB

[BMWJhawk]

ku lost eight players, all five starters, and roughly 80% of its scoring/rebounding from last season.  Yet, ku is sitting at 13-1 and 1st in the Big 12.  Self deserves Big 12 and NCOY, and it's not even close.

[Pete]

ku lost eight players, all five starters, and roughly 80% of its scoring/rebounding from last season.  Yet, ku is sitting at 13-1 and 1st in the Big 12.  Self deserves Big 12 and NCOY, and it's not even close.

Don't be a &@#%ing vag.

A coach who return TWO McDonald's all-americans at the two most important positions, and add the number #1 recruiting class in the country (which included the #1 Juco player in the country) doesn't deserve a reward.  Maybe, MAYBE and "Atta Boy" for not &@#%ing up.

[BMWJhawk]

Bullsh*t.  Look at what Kentucky has done with Patrick Patterson, Darius Miller, Jodie Meeks, etc, etc, then look at what ku is doing.  Talent doesn't win on its own.  You guys were telling anyone who would listen that Collins and Aldrich SUCKED up until that argument proved to be a joke.  Again, eight total players, all five starters, and 80% of scoring/rebounding.  The job Coach Self has done this year is unparalleled by anyone else in the country.  You can talk about McDonald All-Americans all you want.  This team is among the most inexperienced in the country, and they're about to finish 15-1 in the Big 12.

[pissclams]

ku lost eight players, all five starters, and roughly 80% of its scoring/rebounding from last season.  Yet, ku is sitting at 13-1 and 1st in the Big 12.  Self deserves Big 12 and NCOY, and it's not even close.

was talking to a ku fan friend of mine yesterday after the ku MU game about ku's success this year.  while what Seff and ku has done this year is great, we both agreed that a lot of what ku has accomplished this year is a result of how bad the B12 is, especially the North. with that said, somebody has to win B12 COTY, and imo it's Seff by a longshot, with Martin getting 2nd place behind Masta Seff (by exceeding expectations the most).  CMA gets 4th behind Capel.  MU just isn't good.

at this point NCOY should go to either Gaudio @ WF or Purnell @ Clemson imo.  JUST AN IMO.

[Pete]

Bullsh*t.  Look at what Kentucky has done with Patrick Patterson, Darius Miller, Jodie Meeks, etc, etc, then look at what ku is doing.  Talent doesn't win on its own.  You guys were telling anyone who would listen that Collins and Aldrich SUCKED up until that argument proved to be a joke.  Again, eight total players, all five starters, and 80% of scoring/rebounding.  The job Coach Self has done this year is unparalleled by anyone else in the country.  You can talk about McDonald All-Americans all you want.  This team is among the most inexperienced in the country, and they're about to finish 15-1 in the Big 12.

Blah, blah, blah....you guys stunk it up in the non-con.  Then, you come into Big 12 play and merely finish one stop higher than you were predicted to finish.  How the hell can you argue that you accomplished anything more remarkable than OU, Mizzou, KSU, and NU?  You cannot.

[pissclams]

Bullsh*t.  Look at what Kentucky has done with Patrick Patterson, Darius Miller, Jodie Meeks, etc, etc, then look at what ku is doing.  Talent doesn't win on its own.  You guys were telling anyone who would listen that Collins and Aldrich SUCKED up until that argument proved to be a joke.  Again, eight total players, all five starters, and 80% of scoring/rebounding.  The job Coach Self has done this year is unparalleled by anyone else in the country.  You can talk about McDonald All-Americans all you want.  This team is among the most inexperienced in the country, and they're about to finish 15-1 in the Big 12.

there really is no middle ground with you is there?
you've got the two best players at the two most important positions in the entire conference. GMAFB.

[BMWJhawk]

ku lost eight players, all five starters, and roughly 80% of its scoring/rebounding from last season.  Yet, ku is sitting at 13-1 and 1st in the Big 12.  Self deserves Big 12 and NCOY, and it's not even close.

was talking to a ku fan friend of mine yesterday after the ku MU game about ku's success this year.  while what Seff and ku has done this year is great, we both agreed that a lot of what ku has accomplished this year is a result of how bad the B12 is, especially the North. with that said, somebody has to win B12 COTY, and imo it's Seff by a longshot, with Martin getting 2nd place behind Masta Seff (by exceeding expectations the most).  CMA gets 4th behind Capel.  MU just isn't good.

at this point NCOY should go to either Gaudio @ WF or Purnell @ Clemson imo.  JUST AN IMO.

The North has been beating the sh*t out of the South this season.  Aside from Colorado and Iowa State, the North is pretty good this season.  The Big 12 had three top 15 teams as of last week... it's not any worse than the Big 10, Pac 10, or SEC.  All of college basketball is down this year thanks to early entrees.

[BMWJhawk]

Bullsh*t.  Look at what Kentucky has done with Patrick Patterson, Darius Miller, Jodie Meeks, etc, etc, then look at what ku is doing.  Talent doesn't win on its own.  You guys were telling anyone who would listen that Collins and Aldrich SUCKED up until that argument proved to be a joke.  Again, eight total players, all five starters, and 80% of scoring/rebounding.  The job Coach Self has done this year is unparalleled by anyone else in the country.  You can talk about McDonald All-Americans all you want.  This team is among the most inexperienced in the country, and they're about to finish 15-1 in the Big 12.

there really is no middle ground with you is there?
you've got the two best players at the two most important positions in the entire conference. GMAFB.

Never said that ku wasn't talented... but even a blind man could see the improvement that Aldrich has made under this coaching staff.  That's part of what makes Self and the ku coaching staff so good.

[pissclams]

ku lost eight players, all five starters, and roughly 80% of its scoring/rebounding from last season.  Yet, ku is sitting at 13-1 and 1st in the Big 12.  Self deserves Big 12 and NCOY, and it's not even close.

was talking to a ku fan friend of mine yesterday after the ku MU game about ku's success this year.  while what Seff and ku has done this year is great, we both agreed that a lot of what ku has accomplished this year is a result of how bad the B12 is, especially the North. with that said, somebody has to win B12 COTY, and imo it's Seff by a longshot, with Martin getting 2nd place behind Masta Seff (by exceeding expectations the most).  CMA gets 4th behind Capel.  MU just isn't good.

at this point NCOY should go to either Gaudio @ WF or Purnell @ Clemson imo.  JUST AN IMO.

The North has been beating the sh*t out of the South this season.  Aside from Colorado and Iowa State, the North is pretty good this season.  The Big 12 had three top 15 teams as of last week... it's not any worse than the Big 10, Pac 10, or SEC.  All of college basketball is down this year thanks to early entrees.

The North has been beating the sh*t out of the South this season because the South fracking sucks.  Are there two more disappointing teams in college basketball than Baylor and UT?  The B12 sucks, as does the P10, SEC, and B10. 

Yes, the B12 had 3 top 15 teams last week.  We know that MU is a farce and was way overvalued.

Comparing what Seff has done in a weak B12 to what Purnell or Gaudio have done in the ACC is stupid.  Quit drinking the koolaid.

[mcmwcat]

somebody has to win B12 COTY, and imo it's Seff by a longshot, with Martin getting 2nd place behind Masta Seff (by exceeding expectations the most).  CMA gets 4th behind Capel.

changing my vote to seff.  had capel until he sat griffin against ku.

[BMWJhawk]

ku lost eight players, all five starters, and roughly 80% of its scoring/rebounding from last season.  Yet, ku is sitting at 13-1 and 1st in the Big 12.  Self deserves Big 12 and NCOY, and it's not even close.

was talking to a ku fan friend of mine yesterday after the ku MU game about ku's success this year.  while what Seff and ku has done this year is great, we both agreed that a lot of what ku has accomplished this year is a result of how bad the B12 is, especially the North. with that said, somebody has to win B12 COTY, and imo it's Seff by a longshot, with Martin getting 2nd place behind Masta Seff (by exceeding expectations the most).  CMA gets 4th behind Capel.  MU just isn't good.

at this point NCOY should go to either Gaudio @ WF or Purnell @ Clemson imo.  JUST AN IMO.

The North has been beating the sh*t out of the South this season.  Aside from Colorado and Iowa State, the North is pretty good this season.  The Big 12 had three top 15 teams as of last week... it's not any worse than the Big 10, Pac 10, or SEC.  All of college basketball is down this year thanks to early entrees.

The North has been beating the sh*t out of the South this season because the South fracking sucks.  Are there two more disappointing teams in college basketball than Baylor and UT?  The B12 sucks, as does the P10, SEC, and B10. 

Yes, the B12 had 3 top 15 teams last week.  We know that MU is a farce and was way overvalued.

Comparing what Seff has done in a weak B12 to what Purnell or Gaudio have done in the ACC is stupid.  Quit drinking the koolaid.

Sorry, but finishing 3rd or 4th in the ACC doesn't deserve NCOY.  Florida State has talent, and Clemson returned all five starters from last season, IIRC. 

[pissclams]

ku lost eight players, all five starters, and roughly 80% of its scoring/rebounding from last season.  Yet, ku is sitting at 13-1 and 1st in the Big 12.  Self deserves Big 12 and NCOY, and it's not even close.

was talking to a ku fan friend of mine yesterday after the ku MU game about ku's success this year.  while what Seff and ku has done this year is great, we both agreed that a lot of what ku has accomplished this year is a result of how bad the B12 is, especially the North. with that said, somebody has to win B12 COTY, and imo it's Seff by a longshot, with Martin getting 2nd place behind Masta Seff (by exceeding expectations the most).  CMA gets 4th behind Capel.  MU just isn't good.

at this point NCOY should go to either Gaudio @ WF or Purnell @ Clemson imo.  JUST AN IMO.

The North has been beating the sh*t out of the South this season.  Aside from Colorado and Iowa State, the North is pretty good this season.  The Big 12 had three top 15 teams as of last week... it's not any worse than the Big 10, Pac 10, or SEC.  All of college basketball is down this year thanks to early entrees.

The North has been beating the sh*t out of the South this season because the South fracking sucks.  Are there two more disappointing teams in college basketball than Baylor and UT?  The B12 sucks, as does the P10, SEC, and B10. 

Yes, the B12 had 3 top 15 teams last week.  We know that MU is a farce and was way overvalued.

Comparing what Seff has done in a weak B12 to what Purnell or Gaudio have done in the ACC is stupid.  Quit drinking the koolaid.

Sorry, but finishing 3rd or 4th in the ACC doesn't deserve NCOY.  Florida State has talent, and Clemson returned all five starters from last season, IIRC. 

Sorry, but it's subjective.  My opinion is that 3rd in the ACC is better than 1st in the B12, this season.  Not sure what your comment about Florida State has to do with anything.

You seem to forget that ku wasn't the only team that lost good players last season. 

[BMWJhawk]

The Big 12 has three top 15 teams... Texas, Oklahoma State, A&M, and K-State are all in the bubble conversation.  I just don't see how that equates to sucking. 

[sonofdaxjones]

K-State picked to finish 8th or 9th by most.   K-State lost 68.4% of its scoring year over year, 0 McD AA's, 1 Senior in White Tiger, starting point guard sat out all of last year, 4 of 6 top scorers are either Freshman or Sophomores.   K-State with a chance to win 10 conference games . . . if that happens Frank Martin your Big 12 COY.

[BMWJhawk]

K-State picked to finish 8th or 9th by most.   K-State lost 68.4% of its scoring year over year, 0 McD AA's, 1 Senior in White Tiger, starting point guard sat out all of last year, 4 of 6 top scorers are either Freshman or Sophomores.   K-State with a chance to win 10 conference games . . . if that happens Frank Martin your Big 12 COY.

No doubt that if K-State gets to 10-6, Frank Martin deserves a lot of credit.  However, if ku goes 15-1, after losing 80% of scoring/rebounding, Big 12 COY will be Bill Self.

[sonofdaxjones]

70% of scoring gone-Check

ZERO Mc D AA's-Check

4 of 6 Top Scorers either Freshman or Soph's-Check

Starting Point Guard didn't play last year-Check

Picked to finished no better than 8th or 9th in conference-Check

Big men starters consister of Lu Colon and Darren Kent-Check

If K-State wins 10 conference games . . . . Frank Martin; your Big 12 COY.

[pissclams]

The Big 12 has three top 15 teams... Texas, Oklahoma State, A&M, and K-State are all in the bubble conversation.  I just don't see how that equates to sucking. 

whatever helps your arguement man   

[sonofdaxjones]

clams . . . it is a "legitimate point", just ask bentard and he'll tell ya so.