For those that may not have seen the newly renovated Football Weightroom.

[CrimsonBlue]

That K-State track facility is a dump.  It looks like its sitting between a barn and a wheat field. 


 

[sonofdaxjones]

It sits next to 2 indoor practice facilites, one for football, one for baseball . . . our baseball program has their own indoor facility where they can take full infield and set up  multiple batting cages.    Both have FieldTurf.

Yeah, lots of Wheat Fields there Ben . . . A State of the Rekotran track with an incline training track next to it.   Stand alone track offices and track dressing rooms. 

Let me guess, ku's going to put in more of those NASCAR steel stands when they finally build a stand alone track.

[powercat5000]

Enjoy!



ku Athletics releases report that includes plans for $24.6 million Olympic Village









http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2009/mar/25/ku-athletics-releases-report-includes-plans-246-mi/?sports

Is there anybody on this board that gives 2 shats about soccer?  I didn't think so.  Baseball Field- check
Outdoor track- check
Soccer Field that seats more than that joke of high school stands- check (but could care less even though ksu's has more seating capacity)

YAWN

[VGibsonLives]

No equestrian facilities? Losers.


                                           

[TheCatsMeow]

Seriously, WHO. GIVES. A. FRACK. 

[sonofdaxjones]

V is for Validator.

[KansasForever]

Hey it's good to see that ku might get something that K-State has had since 1973:

LOL.  Bringing it pretty weak dax, even for you. 

ku has had a track, a softball stadium, and a soccer field for years, which you well know.  It's just that we're building brand new ones, just for the hell of it.  And that's after we've already completed $71 million in renovations and expansions in the last year and a half. 

And this is no pie-in-the-sky plan; ku's already raising the money for it.  My business associates with the kuAD informed me of this project last summer.  I'm sure ku will be just as unsuccessful with this next $24 million as we were for the last $71 million.  Of course, that's not counting our $8 million weight room from 2002 which is pretty much already redundant thanks to our new football-only complex. 

Tell me again about your robust athletic department?      

[sonofdaxjones]

Dana Anderson-Broke

Tom Kivisto-Headed to Prison

ku Athletics-$54 million dollars in debt.

KSU-$35 Million in facilities projects over the last 5 years, the first phase on another $70 million to break ground this fall. 

K-State didn't need to build a new football facility, it already had one (recently completed $10 million in renovations on it, ku FINALLY got one literally decades later)

K-State didn't need to build a stand alone track and FIELD facility, it already had one. (Recently Completed $3 million in renovations it, also just resurfaced the indoor track, ku will finally get one DECADES later)

Why is that so hard to understand.   So what if ku already had a track, it wasn't a true track and field facility, you had to do some field events completely outside of the stadium, and people have bitched for years about the track in ku's stadium (named after a felon). 

You don't have to spend money, on things you ALREADY have.   That isn't that hard to understand.

V is for Validator. 

[KansasForever]

Dana Anderson-Broke

Tom Kivisto-Headed to Prison

ku Athletics-$54 million dollars in debt.

KSU-$35 Million in facilities projects over the last 5 years, the first phase on another $70 million to break ground this fall. 

K-State didn't need to build a new football facility, it already had one (recently completed $10 million in renovations on it, ku FINALLY got one literally decades later)

K-State didn't need to build a stand alone track and FIELD facility, it already had one. (Recently Completed $3 million in renovations it, also just resurfaced the indoor track, ku will finally get one DECADES later)

Why is that so hard to understand.   So what if ku already had a track, it wasn't a true track and field facility, you had to do some field events completely outside of the stadium, and people have bitched for years about the track in ku's stadium (named after a felon). 

You don't have to spend money, on things you ALREADY have.   That isn't that hard to understand.

V is for Validator. 

Awesome.  $35 million over the last five years compared to ku's $71 million in the last year and half. 

$3 million to upgrade a nearly forty-year old track facility compared to dropping $24 million in building a brand new one.

Your basketball renovations to Bramlage were begun under the assumption that Bob Huggins would be there for years, but he bailed after one season.  Whoops.  Not sure where the revenue's going to come from.  Fortunately you have football to fall back on.  LOL.

We're totally lapping you, dax, if you'll pardon the pun.

Cheers.    

[sonofdaxjones]

LOL . .. I want to be the contractor who get the job for over $21 million dollars just to put down a track surface (average Cost $1.2-$1.5 million), some steel bleachers, a couple of concession stands and a storage building.    See, when you've already made the investment in permenant concrete bleachers, already have the area graded and ready to go, already have the support infrastucture in place, then you can do some great upgrades for just $3 -$3.5 million dollars.   

Sept . . . K-State didn't need to spend $31 million dollars on football facilities, it already had a football only facility.  Why is that so hard to understand??  Oh wait, you're a ku fan.
Great job on those outdoor football practice fields ku, dead trees, easy to spy on everything, virtually unuseable with a paranoid coach like Mangino . . . . and the puny indoor facility clear on the other side of campus.   

With every post you show you don't have the first clue on how this stuff will be financed.


V is for Validator.

[da govna]

ku's new locker room:





ku's old football weight room (Anderson Family Strength & Conditioning Center [built in '02]):






.... and you wonder why ku is starting to get a few more 4-stars?


 

yeahhh, but you still put it in the butt! 

[sonofdaxjones]

Yeah because the drawings of the exact same track set up with NASCAR steel stands is so "cutting edge".   

[ArchE_Cat]

  at the chickentards pimping this. This thing isn't even a done deal, it's only been through schematic engineering design at the most, and they're already spending $24.6 million on ground work and sidewalks. 

Seriously read the article sqwaks...

An architectural rendering of a new track-only facility being considered for the area south of the old football practice facility, along 19th Street. There would be seating for 5,000 people. Total costs of the track facility would be about $8 million.

Notice the usage of rendering...not design drawings. Also it's only being considered. You do understand the meaning of that word right?

The idea includes a 400-meter track and field with grandstand seating, new practice and competition soccer fields with grandstand seating and new grandstand seating for the softball field.

Again it's an idea not construction documents, meaning it hasn't even been priced by a contractor or permitted yet.

The Athletics Department released a draft of a self study Wednesday detailing information on budgets, master plans and many other aspects of its operation, including the Olympic Village plan.

Again this is just in the planing stages, and idea that ku has hired an architect to help them develop. 

Ok you are building only a few things here (softball field is existing, baseball is already there and no mention of any work on it); (2) soccer fields, (1) soccer grandstand, (1) softball grandstand, (1) track facility w/ grandstand.

We know they are estimating the cost of the track portion to be $8 million, so now that leaves $16.6 million, or $4.15 million per each remaining portion of the project. I can tell you that Softball grandstands will not cost anywhere near $4.15 mil, neither will soccer grandstands. Soccer fields aren't going to cost $4.15 mil a piece either (even with ground work and top of the line field turf or grass).

So what does this mean? This means most of that money will be spent on infrastructure to make this all happen, because this is the FIRST TIME ku will have any of this. They are spending all that money on drainage, utilities, and general site work (lighting, sidewalks, etc) for that site to make it usable. What a total joke this project is.

EDIT: I just looked at google maps and realized that one of the soccer fields is already there too.  @ sqwaks having to spend $12 million plus on infrastructure.

[CrimsonBlue]

Why am I not surprised that the owner of this site has the maturity level of a 7th grader?


 

[powercat5000]

Congrats on your $24Mil which looks like a waste of money to most ksu fans.  Did anyone mention Manhattan has flights to Dallas now- this is huge!  Maybe we'll get some players with our Stone Age facilities, I mean Mangino has dominated Snyder in recruiting for years.

[CrimsonBlue]

ku has finally caught up to K-State, but with newer, more state of the art facilities.  That's all I'm saying.   The direct flights to Manhattan will definitely help with your recruiting, which honestly couldn't have been much worse over the past few years.

[CrimsonBlue]

Mr. Pierce, with all due respect, your football program wears the color purple.  One of the last things athletes think about when they're working out in the weight room is what the mascot looks like, or what color jerseys they wear. 

[catdude33]

One of the last things athletes think about

BMW telling Terry Pierce what college athletes think about.  

[CrimsonBlue]

There's a combination of things that go into a decision of picking a school.  You would know a lot more than I would obviously, but I do think that athletic facilities play a big role.  It's not a coincidence that ku signed its best recruiting class (on paper) after opening the Anderson Family Football Complex in '08.   

[KSUTOMMY]

There's a combination of things that go into a decision of picking a school.  You would know a lot more than I would obviously, but I do think that athletic facilities play a big role.  It's not a coincidence that ku signed its best recruiting class (on paper) after opening the Anderson Family Football Complex in '08.   

tappity tappity tap-tap Nice dancing Fred Astaire

[sonofdaxjones]

Everybody in the Big 12 has nice football facilities.   I am sure ku signing a good class had everything to do with the new football offices, and NOTHING to do with the previous 2 seasons.   


V

[Brock Landers]

Mr. Pierce, with all due respect, your football program wears the color purple.  One of the last things athletes think about when they're working out in the weight room is what the mascot looks like, or what color jerseys they wear. 

Just as I thought...falling into a trap...
So is it possible that the square footage of weight room is one of the last things you think about when determining what school you will go to? Or the status of your program? Or your ability to win games?
Oh and that's with all due respect bmw...

And don't forget about the higher ceilings Terry Pierce!!!  uk's weightroom ceilings are higher and any fool knows that leads to better workouts right?!?

 

[FHSU92]

There's a combination of things that go into a decision of picking a school.  You would know a lot more than I would obviously, but I do think that athletic facilities play a big role.  It's not a coincidence that ku signed its best recruiting class (on paper) after opening the Anderson Family Football Complex in '08.   

I gotta tell you dude...That has more to do with your record in 2007. Same went for KSU after the 1998 season. We signed the recruiting class that would eventually win the Big 12 in 2003 and it came directly from the 1998 wins. To prove the point even further...KSU had much better facilities in 06 than we did in 99. Also, KSU had the second worst facilities of any school I, Josh Buhl, B. Hickman, Ell, Sproles, Joe Hall, and countless others...We still chose to go to the school.

There are three major reasons why you choose a school...1. Wins 2. Prestige/Program History 3. Playing time or some promise of it. Along with this comes the scheme and how you fit into what the coaches are doing.

If Florida, OSU, Texas, LSU, OU, Bama, and Others had the worst facilities in the world, they would still have top recruiting classes for the reasons mentioned above....

Those facilities come after you win and get money-So it is easy to see why people believe there is a correlation between facilities and recruiting.
Thats coming from a guy with a 7th grade maturity level. 

Umm, he tapped out after the 2nd sentence, no need to make him pass out.

[sonofdaxjones]

Isn't what you do in the weightroom more important than what the weightroom looks like??   Sure, I think K-State's weightroom could be  nicer, but it's not like it's crappy, and as far as I can tell K-State has all the same equipment that everybody else has . . . K-State has the same style of lockers in its dressing rooms that ku and pretty much everybody else has, K-State has the big logo in the floor of its dressing room just like everybody else has, K-State's got a players lounge with the flat screen TV's just like everybody else does, K-State's got the hydro-therapy room just like everybody else does these days.   At what point does it become a zero sum game??    The only thing I'd like to see is K-State expand the weightroom some more, and also build a training table on to Vanier, I hear OB wants that as well, I also hear OB wants a new outdoor practice facility.   If K-State does all those things, what else is there to do??  Build a bigger reception area, put in larger flat screens??  



  

[CrimsonBlue]

There's a combination of things that go into a decision of picking a school.  You would know a lot more than I would obviously, but I do think that athletic facilities play a big role.  It's not a coincidence that ku signed its best recruiting class (on paper) after opening the Anderson Family Football Complex in '08.   

I gotta tell you dude...That has more to do with your record in 2007. Same went for KSU after the 1998 season. We signed the recruiting class that would eventually win the Big 12 in 2003 and it came directly from the 1998 wins. To prove the point even further...KSU had much better facilities in 06 than we did in 99. Also, KSU had the second worst facilities of any school I, Josh Buhl, B. Hickman, Ell, Sproles, Joe Hall, and countless others...We still chose to go to the school.

There are three major reasons why you choose a school...1. Wins 2. Prestige/Program History 3. Playing time or some promise of it. Along with this comes the scheme and how you fit into what the coaches are doing.

If Florida, OSU, Texas, LSU, OU, Bama, and Others had the worst facilities in the world, they would still have top recruiting classes for the reasons mentioned above....

Those facilities come after you win and get money-So it is easy to see why people believe there is a correlation between facilities and recruiting.
Thats coming from a guy with a 7th grade maturity level. 

Well said.  I appreciate you taking the time to explain stuff like this.  That's the kind of post that will make this site the best K-State site in the country.  


Here's where I differ with your opinion a little bit.  I think you're right about schools like Florida, USC, Texas, etc, etc, but for schools like ku and K-State, we have got to keep our facilities top notch in order to beat those kind of schools for recruits.  Winning, playing time, coaching staff, and those kinds of things are definitely more important in the grand scheme of things; when it comes to deciding a school.  


However, look at a program like Oregon, for example, who signs kids like Chris Harper, even though they really haven't had that much more success than a program like K-State.  They are selling kids on top notch facilities and cutting edge sports wear.  It's a Nike village up there.  Just look at what Boone Pickens is doing at Oklahoma State... do you think they've really had that much success lately?

[powercat5000]

There's a combination of things that go into a decision of picking a school.  You would know a lot more than I would obviously, but I do think that athletic facilities play a big role.  It's not a coincidence that ku signed its best recruiting class (on paper) after opening the Anderson Family Football Complex in '08.   

I gotta tell you dude...That has more to do with your record in 2007. Same went for KSU after the 1998 season. We signed the recruiting class that would eventually win the Big 12 in 2003 and it came directly from the 1998 wins. To prove the point even further...KSU had much better facilities in 06 than we did in 99. Also, KSU had the second worst facilities of any school I, Josh Buhl, B. Hickman, Ell, Sproles, Joe Hall, and countless others...We still chose to go to the school.

There are three major reasons why you choose a school...1. Wins 2. Prestige/Program History 3. Playing time or some promise of it. Along with this comes the scheme and how you fit into what the coaches are doing.

If Florida, OSU, Texas, LSU, OU, Bama, and Others had the worst facilities in the world, they would still have top recruiting classes for the reasons mentioned above....

Those facilities come after you win and get money-So it is easy to see why people believe there is a correlation between facilities and recruiting.
Thats coming from a guy with a 7th grade maturity level. 

Well said.  I appreciate you taking the time to explain stuff like this.  That's the kind of post that will make this site the best K-State site in the country.  


Here's where I differ with your opinion a little bit.  I think you're right about schools like Florida, USC, Texas, etc, etc, but for schools like ku and K-State, we have got to keep our facilities top notch in order to beat those kind of schools for recruits.  Winning, playing time, coaching staff, and those kinds of things are definitely more important in the grand scheme of things; when it comes to deciding a school.  


However, look at a program like Oregon, for example, who signs kids like Chris Harper, even though they really haven't had that much more success than a program like K-State.  They are selling kids on top notch facilities and cutting edge sports wear.  It's a Nike village up there.  Just look at what Boone Pickens is doing at Oklahoma State... do you think they've really had that much success lately?

IF YOU GUYS NEED ANSWERS TO ANY UNSOLVED QUESTIONS TALK TO BMW....... THAT GUY KNOWS EVERYTHING!

[MadCat]

However, look at a program like Oregon, for example, who signs kids like Chris Harper, even though they really haven't had that much more success than a program like K-State.  They are selling kids on top notch facilities and cutting edge sports wear.  It's a Nike village up there.  

I thought Chris Harper went to Oregon because K-State's OC resigned, not for the swag. 

[sonofdaxjones]

Everything was even until Oregon showed him the Glass Fountain Wall and Smoothie Bar.

[RonLongshaft]

reminds me, I'm outta milk and need a new tube of toothpaste

[MadCat]

I bet birds get in there and shart all over the place.