tim jankovich?

[JTKSU]

and frank's record is the 6th best in big 12 history.  not bad for aau thug ball  

No it's not

yes it is

No it's not

yes it is

Best overall record and highest winning percentage are two completely different things.

WTF?    No they aren't.  Best record = highest winning percentage.  There is no other way to measure it.  Are you retarded or something?  

This is so absurd 

i would honestly like to hear the difference between winning percentage and win/loss record. 

perhaps Joe Posnanski will be by to help you sort it out

I can't believe that old bastard is still coaching.   

[pissclams]

and frank's record is the 6th best in big 12 history.  not bad for aau thug ball  

No it's not

yes it is

No it's not

yes it is

Best overall record and highest winning percentage are two completely different things.

WTF?    No they aren't.  Best record = highest winning percentage.  There is no other way to measure it.  Are you retarded or something?  

This is so absurd 

i would honestly like to hear the difference between winning percentage and win/loss record. 

perhaps Joe Posnanski will be by to help you sort it out

I can't believe that old bastard is still coaching.   

he's still coaching because he, just like Jank, is a great coach.  you should check out his winning percentage, it's incredible.  don't focus on his win/loss record though, i don't think it tells the whole story to how great of a coach he is.

[mcmwcat]

and frank's record is the 6th best in big 12 history.  not bad for aau thug ball  

No it's not

yes it is

No it's not

yes it is

Best overall record and highest winning percentage are two completely different things.

WTF?    No they aren't.  Best record = highest winning percentage.  There is no other way to measure it.  Are you retarded or something?  

This is so absurd 

i would honestly like to hear the difference between winning percentage and win/loss record. 

perhaps Joe Posnanski will be by to help you sort it out

I can't believe that old bastard is still coaching.   

he's still coaching because he, just like Jank, is a great coach.  you should check out his winning percentage, it's incredible.  don't focus on his win/loss record though, i don't think it tells the whole story to how great of a coach he is.

almost pffft

[BMWJhawk]

Bill Self, Roy Williams, Bob Knight, Rick Barnes, Eddie Sutton, Billy Gillispie, etc., etc., all have better overall records than Frank Martin.  Do you see the difference between that and Big 12 winning percentage?

[leawoodcat]

Jank would probably have Willie Warren right now at K-State and would have Huggins' recruits playing at a higher level.  Jank recruited tons of talent to ku and Illinois, why wouldn't he be able to do it at K-State?   You guys are getting killed on this one.  Almost worse than the Dezmon Briscoe > Lamark Brown thread.

Warren to K-State? Can we just stick to facts?

Have you considered that if we had not hired Martin that we likely would have lost many of the current players we have and will have next year. I seriously doubt that Jank could have brought in that much talent. In your scenario, there is a good chance we would have been fighting with CU for the cellar this year.

Instead, with a sophomore laden team we did much better than the mediots thought and have a top 25 class coming in next year.  

I would love to have Jank as an assistant to Martin for an x's and o's guy, but there is little evidence that he can recruit with Martin and his staff.

[BMWJhawk]

Jank recruited approximately half of the players that played in championships with ku and Illinois.  Where are you getting the idea that he can't recruit?  Martin would be nothing without Delonte. . . K-State's 08 recruiting class was the worst in the Big 12. 

[steve dave]

Jank recruited approximately half of the players that played in championships with ku and Illinois.  Where are you getting the idea that he can't recruit?  Martin would be nothing without Delonte. . . K-State's 08 recruiting class was the worst in the Big 12. 

Name the best player that has been recruited to any team he has been the head coach of....

[pissclams]

K-State's 08 recruiting class was the worst in the Big 12. 

the same could be said for ku's 07 class

[Pete]

WORLD FORUM!

[mcmwcat]

Bill Self, Roy Williams, Bob Knight, Rick Barnes, Eddie Sutton, Billy Gillispie, etc., etc., all have better overall records than Frank Martin.  Do you see the difference between that and Big 12 winning percentage?

is that who has the most wins?  or is that who has the best winning percentage?  please explain how you came up w that list.  tia  

a link to etc's w/l record would be nice too.  i think it's on espn.com somewhere.  i'm just too lazy to look.  again, tia.

[catzacker]

Jank recruited approximately half of the players that played in championships with ku and Illinois.  Where are you getting the idea that he can't recruit?  Martin would be nothing without Delonte. . . K-State's 08 recruiting class was the worst in the Big 12. 

Name the best player that has been recruited to any team he has been the head coach of....

Jank must not have coached up all that talent he recruited when he was the HC at North Texas cause he finished with a 53-57 record there.

[sonofdaxjones]

LOL @ Bentard . . . 

Jank 2009 class . . . 2 No Stars, a 1 Star, a 3 Star

Jank 2010 class . . . no commits

Martin 2009 class . . . #20 in the Country

Martin 2010 class . . . a 3 Star from Florida (with offers from Marquette, Florida State, Arizona State and Oklahoma State, plus 3 more mid major offers), and a 0 Star ( who should be at least a 3 star according to my bestest little ku buddies that have seen him play who also had an offer from UNLV). 

To the Bentard . . . may he always be the dumbass he is.

[CrimsonBlue]

Jank is recruiting to Illinois State.  Why would his class be better than K-State's?  That's kind of the whole point, isn't it?  If Jank was at a Big 12 program he could bring in the top talent, just like he did at ku.

[pissclams]

Jank is recruiting to Illinois State.  Why would his class be better than K-State's?  That's kind of the whole point, isn't it?  If Jank was at a Big 12 program he could bring in the top talent, just like he did at ku.

why didn't Jank recruit well at N Texas?
why isn't Jank recruiting comparably well to other MVC schools? 
why can't Jank recruit top talent to a mid major like Calipari does at Memphis?
why isn't Jank doing better than Turgeon or McFatneck did when they were in the MVC?
 

[sonofdaxjones]

There's absolutely no gurantee that Jank would do anything at K-State.   Jank was an assistant at K-State and didn't land anybody of significance.  In fact he helped his old ball coach Jack Hartman get forced to retire.

[sonofdaxjones]

Looking at Rivals . . . they show Jank as the co-recruiter on 1 player at ku (that being the Mongoloid out of Dallas Darrell Arthur) along with that Sleazeball kurtis Townsend, and anybody who thinks that the sleazeball Townsend wasn't leading the way on that one is a . . . dumbass.

[jthutch]

Jank recruited approximately half of the players that played in championships with ku and Illinois.  Where are you getting the idea that he can't recruit?  Martin would be nothing without Delonte. . . K-State's 08 recruiting class was the worst in the Big 12. 

Recruiting to Kansas is not hard.  I could recruit to ku.  They have the name and national media doing your recruiting.  I don't give anyone other than that credit for getting good recruits to kansas.

[sys]

Recruiting to Kansas is not hard.  I could recruit to ku.  They have the name and national media doing your recruiting.  I don't give anyone other than that credit for getting good recruits to kansas.

i don't entirely agree.  you have to recruit everywhere.  even at unc or duke.


i do think self is pretty hands on as a recruiter.  some head coaches are, some aren't.  the mere fact that self is willing to carry manning (has manning ever gotten a player?) tells you a lot about how that staff divides the recruiting workload.

[JTKSU]

Recruiting to Kansas is not hard.  I could recruit to ku.  They have the name and national media doing your recruiting.  I don't give anyone other than that credit for getting good recruits to kansas.

i don't entirely agree.  you have to recruit everywhere.  even at unc or duke.


i do think self is pretty hands on as a recruiter.  some head coaches are, some aren't.  the mere fact that self is willing to carry manning (has manning ever gotten a player?) tells you a lot about how that staff divides the recruiting workload.

True, but at certain schools you are automatically on the short list of most major recruits.  You do have to recruit directly against other elite level schools, but bringing in a top 25 class to a uk, UNC, Duke, etc is pretty much a forgone conclusion every year, no matter who is doing the recruiting.  Even if you miss on your primary target (top 20 type dudes) your second, third, or even fourth options are still going to be top 150 type guys.  Hell, dudes like Teahan walk on to uk, when they could have definitely received a schollie from many other decent teams.

[pissclams]

the fact that seff went out and picked up a hired gun like Townsend tells me everything I need to know about his recruiting    

[michigancat]

Recruiting to Kansas is not hard.  I could recruit to ku.  They have the name and national media doing your recruiting.  I don't give anyone other than that credit for getting good recruits to kansas.

i don't entirely agree.  you have to recruit everywhere.  even at unc or duke.


i do think self is pretty hands on as a recruiter.  some head coaches are, some aren't.  the mere fact that self is willing to carry manning (has manning ever gotten a player?) tells you a lot about how that staff divides the recruiting workload.

True, but at certain schools you are automatically on the short list of most major recruits.  You do have to recruit directly against other elite level schools, but bringing in a top 25 class to a uk, UNC, Duke, etc is pretty much a forgone conclusion every year, no matter who is doing the recruiting.  Even if you miss on your primary target (top 20 type dudes) your second, third, or even fourth options are still going to be top 150 type guys.  Hell, dudes like Teahan walk on to uk, when they could have definitely received a schollie from many other decent teams.

Not true.  Roy had quite a few unranked classes, and lost a lot of high profile recruiting battles.  Self has obviously lost a lot of high profile battles the last three years, too.

[JTKSU]

Recruiting to Kansas is not hard.  I could recruit to ku.  They have the name and national media doing your recruiting.  I don't give anyone other than that credit for getting good recruits to kansas.

i don't entirely agree.  you have to recruit everywhere.  even at unc or duke.


i do think self is pretty hands on as a recruiter.  some head coaches are, some aren't.  the mere fact that self is willing to carry manning (has manning ever gotten a player?) tells you a lot about how that staff divides the recruiting workload.

True, but at certain schools you are automatically on the short list of most major recruits.  You do have to recruit directly against other elite level schools, but bringing in a top 25 class to a uk, UNC, Duke, etc is pretty much a forgone conclusion every year, no matter who is doing the recruiting.  Even if you miss on your primary target (top 20 type dudes) your second, third, or even fourth options are still going to be top 150 type guys.  Hell, dudes like Teahan walk on to uk, when they could have definitely received a schollie from many other decent teams.

Not true.  Roy had quite a few unranked classes, and lost a lot of high profile recruiting battles.  Self has obviously lost a lot of high profile battles the last three years, too.

I said the same thing.  When you're going against other elite level programs for the same kids, you're going to miss on some targets.  But, they have a safety net most programs don't have.  Look at the top 150, the vast majority of them have uk at least listed as a school of interest.  Simply because of the mystic of the program.  Miss out on a top 15 dude, no worries, just sign the guy that's ranked right behind him at that position.  We miss out on a Kadji, end up with an Abdul.   

[The Nasti]

Don't worry, when Delonte's pipeline dries up, and Frank is fired, Jank might still be available. 

So, where is the evidence that Dalonte's recruiting pipekine will dry up? The guy is 30 years old (maybe not quite)!!

[Andy]

Enjoy the NIT.

Same as Illinois State?   

[CrimsonBlue]

This post has to be a joke, because (1) Tyshawn Taylor makes your guards look like trash [please rewatch ku/K-State game], and (2) because you don't need 6 elite players in one recruiting class in order for it to be a good class.  Aldrich is playing like an All-American and both Morningstar and Reed have provided some great minutes this season.  Add a couple 5-stars to the mix next season and that team will be Final Four material.

taylor is like ku's version of '07-'08 pullen.   fans like him because they expected nothing and he can run up and down the court without falling down (strange how pullen lost the ability to do that this year).  in reality, he's done nothing.
no one needs elite players.  if ku just wants to be the best of the nortards, then by all means, classes like '08 are the way to go.


lol @ ku in the final four next year btw.  stupider than the ksutards that thought ksu had a shot @ the tourney this year.

Hmmmmm.... let's see:


ku: preseason #1

Tyshawn Taylor: projected #17 overall pick in '10 NBA Draft by DraftExpress


 

[feralchat]

What did I miss? Why is bentard melting down tonight?

[LimestoneOutcropping]

What did I miss? Why is bentard melting down tonight?

The Grant Thornton review showed our sports programs are squeaky clean.  He is having a rough time accepting it.

[oneuponaggies]

back to the original topic.

jank would do more with less than martin.  So an average recruiting class with no 5 stars would be more competitive than Martin with his blue chip player every two seasons. 

[mcmwcat]

so when does SIU get bought out by the big boy's for Jank's services.  it's gotta be soon.   i think Manhattan may be too cosmopolitan for TJ.

if not his time will pass and with any luck he could become the next Charlie Spoonhour.  would be great for the state of KS.