Lost

[cireksu]

interesting.  can jack Change things?  or did all this happen either way?

how mind f*cked do you think you'd be if you were jack.  you know what happens in the future (i.e. the "incident") but you don't know exactly how it happens...so if you have two options (i.e. follow daniel's notebook or not follow daniel's notebook) how the hell do you decide between the two and how the hell would you know whether whatever you decide was the choice that you made all along to cause the "incident"...and thus causing a person to push a button..causing desmond not to push it...causing the plane to crash.....

this is the realm of weirdness that I think we're getting into.

[catzacker]

interesting.  can jack Change things?  or did all this happen either way?

how mind f*cked do you think you'd be if you were jack.  you know what happens in the future (i.e. the "incident") but you don't know exactly how it happens...so if you have two options (i.e. follow daniel's notebook or not follow daniel's notebook) how the hell do you decide between the two and how the hell would you know whether whatever you decide was the choice that you made all along to cause the "incident"...and thus causing a person to push a button..causing desmond not to push it...causing the plane to crash.....

this is the realm of weirdness that I think we're getting into.

also, think about this...so let's say that jack stops the incident from happening....so the button never has to be pushed...desmond doesn't miss pushing the button and the plane never crashes.......or would it?  from jack's experience, that has already happened.  If the incident never happens then Chang never has to send his wife and baby miles away (or at least they could have returned)...but grown up Miles not having his father still happens...atleast from Miles' life experience.

[Stupid Fitz]

All I'm saying is that if this mother fracker ends next year with a plane landing safely and all these frackers just get off and go about their business, I am going to be  .

[yoga-lika_abana]

goddammit.

think faraday is gone for good?
also was kindof shocked that widdmore was faradays son and that widdmore and eloise were bangin.
next week should be very good.

 

whoops faraday was widdmores son

[jmlynch1]

All I'm saying is that if this mother fracker ends next year with a plane landing safely and all these frackers just get off and go about their business, I am going to be  .

Theres is no plausible way that they can end the show and justify the amount of time I have wasted watching it.

[jthutch]

Man I hate this show.  I should have waited till the season was over and just watch them all.

[ksu_FAN]

Or will the hostiles "fix" Faraday like they did young Ben? 

Definately getting interesting.  I mean Faraday goes back in time to be shot by his own mother.  Wild stuff there.  And Faraday's mom is turning out to be worse the Ben.

[catzacker]

Or will the hostiles "fix" Faraday like they did young Ben? 

Definately getting interesting.  I mean Faraday goes back in time to be shot by his own mother.  Wild stuff there.  And Faraday's mom is turning out to be worse the Ben.

What I'm confused about (among other things) is what purpose faraday dying (or rather Eloise letting/putting him on a path to die) served?  Do Eloise/Widmore need faraday to die because that triggers other events which lead to a "greater good" outcome (and is that outcome any different than what we've already seen/know about...i.e. the incident, the purge, flight 815 crashing)?  because if "whatever happened, happened" then the only unknowns are how things happened not what happened.  If nothing can be changed, then I see this show shaping up kind of like the movie Momento, where the movie "starts" in the middle of the story and "ends" right before the middle of the story happens.

[jthutch]

I think that Faraday's mother and Widmore don't want Farday to "fix" the incident because if it never happens then the island does not get it's "powers?" if that is what you would call it.  In 1977 they are still building the Orchid so the ability to move the island is not there yet. 

Oh, hell I don't know what is going on here. 

[Rick Daris]

 the thing that surprises me the most recently is that miles is allowed to be on the island when little miles is there. there are two freaking identical humans on the island just at different ages. i had always thought that the island or whatever just wouldn't allow this. kinda like there are two separate worlds and you can't have two of you in the same one at the same time. that is the part that just kind of surprises me recently i guess. i guess it's possible that there could still be a bunch more faradays running around ya know. who's to say that the faraday we follow through the show is the only faraday? technically he could keep going back and then get older then go back...then get older then go back...there could technically be like 20 faradays on that island right now alone. also, what would happen to adult miles if little miles died? also...what would happen if old miles dies and then little miles grows up? does he die at the same age too? like is he just walking down the street and then boom...dead.

does anything i wrote make any sense 

[ew2x4]

interesting.  can jack Change things?  or did all this happen either way?

how mind f*cked do you think you'd be if you were jack.  you know what happens in the future (i.e. the "incident") but you don't know exactly how it happens...so if you have two options (i.e. follow daniel's notebook or not follow daniel's notebook) how the hell do you decide between the two and how the hell would you know whether whatever you decide was the choice that you made all along to cause the "incident"...and thus causing a person to push a button..causing desmond not to push it...causing the plane to crash.....

this is the realm of weirdness that I think we're getting into.

also, think about this...so let's say that jack stops the incident from happening....so the button never has to be pushed...desmond doesn't miss pushing the button and the plane never crashes.......or would it?  from jack's experience, that has already happened.  If the incident never happens then Chang never has to send his wife and baby miles away (or at least they could have returned)...but grown up Miles not having his father still happens...atleast from Miles' life experience.

Last night's episode was titled the Variable. Daniel talks about how they were the variable that can change things. So if he's correct, then yes, they can change the course of history. The question then turns to, if they negate the plane from every crashing, what happens to them on the island?

[jthutch]

the thing that surprises me the most recently is that miles is allowed to be on the island when little miles is there. there are two freaking identical humans on the island just at different ages. i had always thought that the island or whatever just wouldn't allow this. kinda like there are two separate worlds and you can't have two of you in the same one at the same time. that is the part that just kind of surprises me recently i guess. i guess it's possible that there could still be a bunch more faradays running around ya know. who's to say that the faraday we follow through the show is the only faraday? technically he could keep going back and then get older then go back...then get older then go back...there could technically be like 20 faradays on that island right now alone. also, what would happen to adult miles if little miles died? also...what would happen if old miles dies and then little miles grows up? does he die at the same age too? like is he just walking down the street and then boom...dead.

does anything i wrote make any sense 

Makes sense to me! 

I don't think most of the people who crashed and survived would want things to change.  Sun got a baby, Sawyer doesn't go to jail, same with Kate, Hugo...don't know if he would want to continue to be crazy outside of the island.  John thinks he is god or something.  Seems like Jack might be the only one that would want to change the course but then again why would he want to do that, he didn't have much going for him either.

[catdude33]

Heard tonight's epi will be all about Richard Alpert.  Any truth to this?  If so I'm kind of excited.

[ew2x4]

Heard tonight's epi will be all about Richard Alpert.  Any truth to this?  If so I'm kind of excited.

That's what I heard. I want to see if he was really on the Black Rock.

[cireksu]

Heard tonight's epi will be all about Richard Alpert.  Any truth to this?  If so I'm kind of excited.

That's what I heard. I want to see if he was really on the Black Rock.

my money's on way before black rock.

[cireksu]

OMFG

[catdude33]

I like John's swagger.

[ew2x4]

Locke is acting mighty BA of late.

Kate's getting on my nerves. dirty ho bag.

[yoga-lika_abana]

weak discussion this week fellas.

couple thoughts/questions.

Locke and everybody else that is not back in the 70's are they in the past still or are they in the present why did Locke show up and then dissapear(I know the Island told him too still confusing)

Whats going to happen between Alpert, Ben, Locke, and Jacob?

Anyone notice that when one of the "others" came over to tell Alpert that Locke was hear he was working on a ship in a bottle that looked like the pearl(a sign maybe).

Also the hydrogen bomb and The Love Triangle that are in the sub together. Damn the finale should be terrific.

Two people are going to die in a cave this I am 99.9% sure of.

[jthutch]

Why Doesn't Alpert Age?  He looks the same in 1977 as he did in the present.  My guess is that he is Jacob but doesn't want anyone to really know that because that would put his life in jeopardy. 

What did Ben and Richard do?  They set it up so John was going to be the leader, but then Ben said something like "Looks like John is going to be more trouble than we thought."  Is that what he said?  Anyway what did he mean by that?

[yoga-lika_abana]

Why Doesn't Alpert Age?  He looks the same in 1977 as he did in the present.  My guess is that he is Jacob but doesn't want anyone to really know that because that would put his life in jeopardy. 

I think Alpert was killed/died at one time and was brought back to life by the island. Which probably means he can't be killed again like Jacks dad (christian), maybe Locke, and probably Jacob.

[ew2x4]

Are you talking about the Black Pearl? That was the first thing that came to mind. I think Richard, Jacob, Locke, and Christian are all different types of entities. I see Richard and Jack as being mere humans that have been deeply affected by the island. I see Christian as merely a vessel for Jacob (or whatever). As for what Jacob is, I have absolutely no idea.

[cireksu]

I think the "I'm going to kill Jacob" thing is a ruse.  Why would he tell ben that?  Or Jacob is stuck and Jumping through time like locke was and that's why you can't just go and see him but he has to see you so to speak.

[jthutch]

So is Clair still on the island?  Didn't she go somewhere with Christian?  What's up with that? Will we see her again? Is it a coincidence that Richard looks kind of like Jeff Probst from Survivor?  Maybe the finale will be that this is just a huge reality show and everything was staged.  Jack, Kate, Hugo, Sied didn't know about it.  Probably not.  O.K. they don't look that much alike but it was one of the first things I thought of when I saw him.

[yoga-lika_abana]

So is Clair still on the island?  Didn't she go somewhere with Christian?  What's up with that? Will we see her again? Is it a coincidence that Richard looks kind of like Jeff Probst from Survivor?  Maybe the finale will be that this is just a huge reality show and everything was staged.  Jack, Kate, Hugo, Sied didn't know about it.  Probably not.  O.K. they don't look that much alike but it was one of the first things I thought of when I saw him.

Yes, yes. I think she was drawn to her father and decided to go with him I think we will see her again I don't think they can totally write her off they will atleast have a small scene w/ her kindof like they did w/ Walt.
Luckily we have one more year of epi's.

[dmartin]

Think about this one.  The bomb plan works and the plane never crashes.  Therefore, nobody ever travels back in time, and the bomb plan is never put into action.  Does this mean the plane ends up crashing again?  and the whole thing is just a continuous loop?

[ew2x4]

Think about this one.  The bomb plan works and the plane never crashes.  Therefore, nobody ever travels back in time, and the bomb plan is never put into action.  Does this mean the plane ends up crashing again?  and the whole thing is just a continuous loop?

Alternate timelines, dood.

[catdude33]

Are you talking about the Black Pearl? That was the first thing that came to mind.

Like from Pirates of the Caribbean? I think you mean the Black Rock.   

[steve dave]

Do any of you guys read Wired?  This month's magazine was put together by JJ Abrams.  It has all kinds of hidden puzzles and stuff in it.  Kinda interesting.  Sorry if this was discussed in this thread (to lazy to check and see).

[yoga-lika_abana]

Only 18 epi's left.