Lost

[ERA7777]

Episode from last night = 

[jthutch]

I'm a little confused why did sun not flash back to 1977, and the rest did?

[yoga-lika_abana]

Episode from last night = 

wtf I didn't watch because I didn't think it was back on until next week.

[catzacker]

I'm a little confused why did sun not flash back to 1977, and the rest did?

No idea.  Was confusing to me too.  Ben, Sun, Lapedus and Locke didn't travel back to 1977.....though this isn't without precedence as locke was sitting there talking to richard on the island (before they all started jumping) and richard and his people didn't jump with Locke.  I'm assuming the reason is just because the "island put them where they were needed". 

[Stupid Fitz]

I'm a little confused why did sun not flash back to 1977, and the rest did?

Not sure either, but was wondering if they actually were in the same time, just a different place.  No fracking clue.  Good season though.

[cireksu]

didn't care for it.  Want lots of locke, christian, and ben from here on out.

[jthutch]

<==== Is wandering if Ben is going to make the jumps start again.  Or if he just needs to find the other island.

[catzacker]

<==== Is wandering if Ben is going to make the jumps start again.  Or if he just needs to find the other island.

both.  I think he figured out, approximately, what "time" it is on the island and is going to the other  island to make contact with the "others" and then time travel again and try to course correct. 

kind of funny that sawyer and kate helped build the runway that flight landed on when they (and jack) got caught by the others. 

[cireksu]

I think that Ben up until this point has known exactly everything that has happened on the island and off.  Not sure what his next move will be.

[yoga-lika_abana]

I think that Ben up until this point has known exactly everything that has happened on the island and off.  Not sure what his next move will be.

I think obviously young ben is the key to everything and to what will happen to everyone. just what will he do though?

[Rick Daris]

I think that Ben up until this point has known exactly everything that has happened on the island and off.  Not sure what his next move will be.

I kinda thought something like this too for a while. like groundhog day where bill murray keeps doing the day over and over again until he finally does well enough that he gets to sleep with andie mcdowell.

[Stupid Fitz]

WTF happened to Faraday?  It was nice having someone there that kind of "knew" what the hell was going on. 

[catzacker]

WTF happened to Faraday?  It was nice having someone there that kind of "knew" what the hell was going on. 

I think he's off the island, but still in the "past", so he's f'ing around in 1977.  I think we'll see him (and desmond) in the episode on April 1st (entitled "Whatever Happened, Happened".

[jthutch]

Hear is how I think the whole thing will end.  Sied (sp?) is going to kill young ben and every thing will snap back to what ever was happening before the original plane crash and no body will know that anything really happened. 

[catzacker]

Hear is how I think the whole thing will end.  Sied (sp?) is going to kill young ben and every thing will snap back to what ever was happening before the original plane crash and no body will know that anything really happened. 

Here's how I think the next episode will turn out:  Sayid will try to kill Ben...he'll shoot/injure young ben but Juliet will save Ben's life (though Jack won't help).....this is where Ben's infatuation originally comes from...it's why in a previous episode one of the others (when discussing why ben has an infatuation with juliette) says something like "isn't it obvious?  she (meaning juliette) looks just like her".  The "her" is, actually, juliette, only the other doesn't know that because all the other has probably seen is a picture and wouldn't really have think that a picture that Ben keeps from his childhood would be the same person (because that would mean juliette would have to be really old to be the same person). 

[cireksu]

 

[Stupid Fitz]

Wednesday 

[catzacker]

sweet jesus.  love sayid.

[Stupid Fitz]

Little disappointed.  Supposedly they can't change anything, so what was the point.  Not sure why they can't, but Farady said so.  Where the frack is Faraday!!!!!

[Chingon]

Ben is my fave...so I am sad...

well he and hurley.

[dr00d]

Little disappointed.  Supposedly they can't change anything, so what was the point.  Not sure why they can't, but Farady said so.  Where the frack is Faraday!!!!!

You can't change the past or the future wouldn't exist in the current form.  Time has a way of always correcting itself. 

[catzacker]

Ben is my fave...so I am sad...

well he and hurley.

don't worry, bro.  ben won't/can't die.  Hurley sucks, btw.  I hate his fatness.

[Chingon]

Ben is my fave...so I am sad...

well he and hurley.

don't worry, bro.  ben won't/can't die.  Hurley sucks, btw.  I hate his fatness.

I his fatness.
 

[catdude33]

Young Ben was even creepier than old Ben.  Glad he's dead.

[jthutch]

Faraday changed something when he talked to desmond while in the past, so that is false that you what ever you do doesn't matter.  What do you think who is Faraday's mom and what does she have to do with the island. 

[Stupid Fitz]

 

Faraday changed something when he talked to desmond while in the past, so that is false that you what ever you do doesn't matter.  What do you think who is Faraday's mom and what does she have to do with the island. 

[ew2x4]

Faraday changed something when he talked to desmond while in the past, so that is false that you what ever you do doesn't matter.  What do you think who is Faraday's mom and what does she have to do with the island. 

Small stuff that doesn't really matter can obviously be changed. Major things will always happen one way or another. Look at how many Terminators there have been, for crying out loud.

[cireksu]

pretty interesting thoughts on the ben shooting.

o... I Need Him to Want to Do It
So Ben notices this dude stalking Hurley outside Santa Rosa Mental Hospital for several days. Does he get out the high-powered rifle he used to drill holes in Abaddon? Nah. Instead he puts on a suit and flies to South America so that Sayid can take care of it. Seem a little strange and unnecessary? Not if your Benjamin Linus.

Every single solitary thing Ben does has its own unique purpose, and in this case, a multi-purpose. Ben's mention of the man stalking Hurley not only served to bring Sayid back to California for the upcoming Ajira flight, it also reinforced the kill-crazy mental programming that Ben just spent three years driving into Sayid's skull. Ben played on Sayid's loyalty to his friends, saying juuuuuust enough before walking away to know that Sayid would come back to help protect Hugo. In the process, Ben also knew Sayid's killing of that man, and subsequent dishwasher-assisted killing of various other bad guys, would freshen up Sayid's (not-so) self-imposed notion of being a killer... just in case building houses in the Dominican Republic had made him forget about it. On top of this, it would also cause him to despise Ben even more than he did the last time, which is exactly what Ben wanted.

I'll even go as far as to say the guy watching Hurley was one of Ben's own men, put there for this very purpose, sacrificed to get Sayid (and Hurley) to that dockside meeting. Hurley never made it, but the island got him to the plane anyway. The second piece of trouble Ben had was that he pushed Sayid a little too far - he'd caused him to do so much in the way of killing that Sayid angrily walked away from that dock instead of agreeing to go back to the island. Ben overdid it here. He corrected that mistake by hiring Illana to get Sayid on that plane, and in handcuffs to boot. More than anyone, Ben knows Sayid. He knows his weakness with women, and he knows that a little sex and a little MacCuthcheon's whisky would be the best way of getting him on the Ajira flight. Whether or not Illana understands she's working for Ben or truly believes she's working for the family of the dude Sayid killed on the golf course remains to be seen, but if I had to guess I'd pick the latter.

So what do we have? We have Ben sending Sayid all over the world to kill people for three straight years. Did these people really matter? Did their deaths really keep Sayid's friends safe? crap no. I'm even sketchy on them being related to Widmore at all, but if so I'm sure Ben was just playing fun games inside Charles Widmore's head. The deaths of these men meant nothing in the grand scheme of things other to reinforce one thing that I've always said: Sayid Jarrah is an absolute death-magnet.

Then we have Ben reminding Sayid that he's a killer... telling him that he's a killer... over and over, beating it into his skull. We also have Sayid driven to an intense hatred for Ben and a complete mistrust in him by the time he gets on the Ajira airways flight. Add all of this together and what do you get?

Alright, I've built it up enough: Ben wanted Sayid to go back to the past and shoot him. He fine-tuned Sayid into enough of a killing machine and instilled enough hatred in his heart for him so that Ben knew he would shoot even a young child version of himself. Yeah, I know it's crazy. I know it's out there. But if you examine this episode and really delve into why Ben spent so much off-island time honing Sayid into the killing tool he's now become... it makes a lot of sense.

Notice I said 'shoot him' and not 'kill him'. I'm pretty sure young Benjamin Linus will live. But I think Sayid shooting Ben is going to have serious repercussions on the 1977 timeline that might result in big changes to the way things originally would've played out. Maybe Ben getting shot in 1977 will somehow delay or prevent him from joining the hostiles? Maybe the purge will be avoided? I won't pretend to know those answers, but somehow 2007 Ben understands that getting shot in the past will cause ripples through time that will change things in a direction favorable to his master plan. And I'll leave it at that.

One more thing though. If you believe in what I just said above, and if you believe the purge isn't going to happen (at least not in the way it originally occurred), then did Ben really commit genocide? The first time around, did he really kill all those people? Or did he always know, somehow, that once he solved the equation that would result in the end game of LOST, that all the things that happened all those other times would become null and void? In the end, maybe only one song can really be played on the island's record player. And Ben knows which song that is.

[catzacker]

I think Ben knows how everything goes down in the past because he has some reference to the future (either because he's been there, from there, or has information from others who have)....though he has seemed surprised on a few of occassions: (1) when that dude killed his daughter and he said "they changed the rules" (2) after Locke told Ben that he was going to see a woman named Eloise and (3) when Desmond showed up to Eloise's church and said she was Farady's mother.  Otherwise, that dude has known pretty much how everything goes down and has encouraged/manipulated people to make sure it goes down the way he's been told or knows it should.

[Rick Daris]

i don't think that killing young ben kills old ben. i  do maybe think that since young ben was alive and on the island that maybe that's why ben didn't go to the island when the plane crashed and ended up somewhere else. maybe now that young ben is dead, old ben will be allowed on the island. duno't know, that's my theory though. also agree w/ zacker that ben pretty much seems to know everything that's gonna happen.