Anyone listen to KK this afternoon?

[bigdeal]

Ok, getting back to the original question, yes, I'm probably angry about KK said, and I didn't even listen to him.  We all know having talent is huge in basketball.  We have guys who are athletic, but how talented are they really?  Last year we supposedly crashed because our coaching was so bad with such an awesome amount of talent, now we suck because he is wasting more talent.  Perhaps we have athleticism, but only talent with limitations.  There is no consistent production from anyone on our offense.  We rely on Pullen (soph.) and Clemente to create for everyone else, but they are both really score-first players.  Now they are caught in between while they both are trying to figure out when and where to score and how to set up others.  Coaching is one thing, just having it click is another.  Kent is not really a great team leader because he is marginally talented, as we all know.  I don't like what we do on offense but you have to realize he gets nothing out of Sutton, Kent, Colon, and Merriwether on offense...typically.  Both Pullen and Clemente are erratic.  Fred Brown is the only one who produces offensively with any consistency.  Bottom line, the team is still young, and there is significantly more talent to add into the mix next year.  We add in Kelly, Henriquez, Judge, MacGruder, and the other guy from TX whose name alludes me.  We will be better, we just have to hope the guys can grow this season and learn to be good ball players, and not just guys with athletic skills, or basketball talent.  Chill on Frank, the next couple of years, added with last year, will be the best we've seen in 20 yrs.  Frank and Delonte deserve credit for that.  

[steve dave]

I would like to enroll 95% of our fan base in a class called Talking About Basketball Like You Aren't A F^cking Retard 101. 

Yeah, with your Knight/Wooden like mind on display here.   

I am, at best, a D+ hoops student.  Never pretended anything different.

[sonofdaxjones]

I would like to enroll 95% of our fan base in a class called Talking About Basketball Like You Aren't A F^cking Retard 101. 

Yeah, with your Knight/Wooden like mind on display here.   

I am, at best, a D+ hoops student.  Never pretended anything different.

  it has been LOL'ers reading RustyKSUfan carrying the Martinite flag with pride over on phogtard.

It just really boils down to a couple of recruiting misses.

[Chingon]

I would like to enroll 95% of our fan base in a class called Talking About Basketball Like You Aren't A F^cking Retard 101. 

Yeah, with your Knight/Wooden like mind on display here.   

I am, at best, a D+ hoops student.  Never pretended anything different.

  it has been LOL'ers reading RustyKSUfan carrying the Martinite flag with pride over on phogtard.

It just really boils down to a couple of recruiting misses.

He's learning on the job right, remember?  Remember?  Or have you dropped that already?

[sonofdaxjones]

I would like to enroll 95% of our fan base in a class called Talking About Basketball Like You Aren't A F^cking Retard 101. 

Yeah, with your Knight/Wooden like mind on display here.   

I am, at best, a D+ hoops student.  Never pretended anything different.

  it has been LOL'ers reading RustyKSUfan carrying the Martinite flag with pride over on phogtard.

It just really boils down to a couple of recruiting misses.

He's learning on the job right, remember?  Remember?  Or have you dropped that already?

Thanks, I forgot one for the list, my own . . . that's bad.

[Chingon]

LOL

at least I don't want the worst "game day" coach in the entire NCAA coaching the cats.

If Frank is as terrible as you think he is, I don't see why he should remain coach for one more day.  Can you explain to me why you don't think he should be fired?  What great things is Frank doing that outweighs his many, many flaws?

[steve dave]

LOL

at least I don't want the worst "game day" coach in the entire NCAA coaching the cats.

If Frank is as terrible as you think he is, I don't see why he should remain coach for one more day.  Can you explain to me why you don't think he should be fired?  What great things is Frank doing that outweighs his many, many flaws?

[sonofdaxjones]

LOL

at least I don't want the worst "game day" coach in the entire NCAA coaching the cats.

If Frank is as terrible as you think he is, I don't see why he should remain coach for one more day.  Can you explain to me why you don't think he should be fired?  What great things is Frank doing that outweighs his many, many flaws?

I have stated very few flaws in this thread . . . I am just trying to understand all the issues that this team has as stated by other people, and also trying to clarify how certain things don't mean a damn thing on the basketball court according to many.  

You're getting to be like Rainman Chin.

[Chingon]

LOL

at least I don't want the worst "game day" coach in the entire NCAA coaching the cats.

If Frank is as terrible as you think he is, I don't see why he should remain coach for one more day.  Can you explain to me why you don't think he should be fired?  What great things is Frank doing that outweighs his many, many flaws?

I have stated very few flaws in this thread . . . I am just trying to understand all the issues that this team has as stated by other people, and also trying to clarify how certain things don't mean a damn thing on the basketball court according to many.  

You're getting to be like Rainman Chin.

Nice

[phagallenblowsballs]

I'd rather have wasted talent than no talent.  Under, like, any circumstances.

 the only evidence so far is that he has helped put two players into the NBA.

Beas didnt need Frankies help, he was a top two pick with or w/o frank.

[steve dave]

I'd rather have wasted talent than no talent.  Under, like, any circumstances.

 the only evidence so far is that he has helped put two players into the NBA.

Beas didnt need Frankies help, he was a top two pick with or w/o frank.

Sounds like talent trumps coaching

[michigancat]

would dax's meltdown be funnier or less funny if he hadn't called anyone who had a negative thought about the Snyder hire a "bleeding vag"?

It would certainly be less ironic.  

[sonofdaxjones]

would dax's meltdown be funnier or less funny if he hadn't called anyone who had a negative thought about the Snyder hire a "bleeding vag"?

It would certainly be less ironic.  

LOL at your ability to recognize a meltdown. 

Martinite's definition of a meltdown:  Anyone who questions Frank's ability to coach KSU basketball.

Plus, my "bleeding vag" comment had nothing to do with simply "negative thoughts". 

Damn, this board is suddenly full of people who embellish everything to the n'th degree . . . kind of sad.

[wildcats92]

It does not really matter how much talent Frank adds next year if the team and he does not learn to score.  They rely on there defense to create offense which is fine, but when you sit Sutton (your best defensive player) and expect Colon and Kent to creat opportunities..we are in trouble.  Frank needs to admit that his defense as great as it is at times, will only carry this team so far. There needs to be some "chemistry" on offense, but the team mostly stands around and waits for Clemente or Pullen to create something, which usually turns into them driving the lane and either drawing a foul (good) or passing out for an open 3 (only good if that pass is to Brown).  Because when Anderson or Colon get the ball at the foul line the other team just dares them to shoot the ball.. how embarrasing would that be to get the ball 15 ft from the rim and turn and find nobody guarding you.  The guy with the ball at the free throw line should be Kent(hope he doesn't turn it over) or Samuels who can at least give us a scoring chance.  Colon and Anderson should not leave the lower block at all..these 2 guys sitting a pick out high is useless because if they get the ball out there...the defense will back off. Please Frank, use your teams ability and create some offense for these guys and realize that even if you don't like Fred Browns defense, he opens up the inside with his outside game.

[ksu_FAN]

The best thing about this thread is the "did you listen to KK" theme is lovely   fodder.

Frank's performance this year has been far from HOF material either in the talent he's brought in (specifically last year) or in the execution by his players of his gameplan.  Most perplexing to me was that his players seemed to cave more under the pressure of Nebrasketball and Devaney than they did vs a Top 10 team or on the road after falling down by 18 to a team with 2 all league players.  I understand that our guys aren't the best, but nothing NU did warranted the number of double dribbles, travels, multi-second violations, etc. that we had.  Mind boggling stuff there.

[sonofdaxjones]

Has anyone thought that maybe Frank's "lets just pressure everything" concept gets the team way to sped up, and that's why they make so many turnovers??

[michigancat]

Has anyone thought that maybe Frank's "lets just pressure everything" concept gets the team way to sped up, and that's why they make so many turnovers??

I think it's more the craptastic schedule doing nothing to prepare them for the Big 12.

[cireksu]

Has anyone thought that maybe Frank's "lets just pressure everything" concept gets the team way to sped up, and that's why they make so many turnovers??

i think it has more to do with a bunch of freshmen and sophs, a new pg, and a 2 guard that is streaky at best.

[sys]

It does not really matter how much talent Frank adds next year if the team and he does not learn to score.  They rely on there defense to create offense which is fine, but when you sit Sutton (your best defensive player) and expect Colon and Kent to creat opportunities..we are in trouble.  Frank needs to admit that his defense as great as it is at times, will only carry this team so far. There needs to be some "chemistry" on offense, but the team mostly stands around and waits for Clemente or Pullen to create something, which usually turns into them driving the lane and either drawing a foul (good) or passing out for an open 3 (only good if that pass is to Brown).  Because when Anderson or Colon get the ball at the foul line the other team just dares them to shoot the ball.. how embarrasing would that be to get the ball 15 ft from the rim and turn and find nobody guarding you.  The guy with the ball at the free throw line should be Kent(hope he doesn't turn it over) or Samuels who can at least give us a scoring chance.  Colon and Anderson should not leave the lower block at all..these 2 guys sitting a pick out high is useless because if they get the ball out there...the defense will back off. Please Frank, use your teams ability and create some offense for these guys and realize that even if you don't like Fred Browns defense, he opens up the inside with his outside game.

colon has a pretty nice touch on the 10-12 footer.  it was baffling when he refused to shoot that @ nu.

i agree with pretty much everything else you said.

[michigancat]

Other valid criticisms:

Playing at a significantly slower pace than last year.  RUN, DENIS, RUN!!!!!!  Maybe the non-athleticism of the non-Samuels bigs limits this. 

[sonofdaxjones]

Frank is great . . . we've got a Cousin coming to visit.

Love Frank . . .   

[BMWJhawk]

I would like to enroll 95% of our fan base in a class called Talking About Basketball Like You Aren't A F^cking Retard 101. 

Yeah, with your Knight/Wooden like mind on display here.   

I am, at best, a D+ hoops student.  Never pretended anything different.

  it has been LOL'ers reading RustyKSUfan carrying the Martinite flag with pride over on phogtard.

It just really boils down to a couple of recruiting misses.

'Pad's right... I mean how can anyone honestly say that Martin is a "good coach."  It's way too early to tell what he is at this point, but signs are pointing to him being a below average coach.  If K-State doesn't have Delonte Hill on the staff, how effective would Martin be at recruiting?  He was thrown into a desperate situation before he was ready, and we're starting to see the results.  K-State's '08 recruiting class was a disaster as well.

[cireksu]

bill self would look like a retard this year without collins.  we've got talent coming.  not worried.

[kougar24]

Our fanbase doesn't deserve a recruiting coach. Much more comfortable with a "good X's and O's guy" who can't recruit worth crap, and therefore can't win.

'Tards.

[Bullfn33]

I'd rather have wasted talent than no talent.  Under, like, any circumstances.

 the only evidence so far is that he has helped put two players into the NBA.

Beas didnt need Frankies help, he was a top two pick with or w/o frank.

could say the same thing for every other coach who put a top pick in the draft. lottery picks aren't developed by coaches but they still get the credit.

[oneuponaggies]

keitzman knows less about bball than my grandmother. 

same goes for the other guys on his show, it's embarassing. 

[yoga-lika_abana]

I'd rather have wasted talent than no talent.  Under, like, any circumstances.

 the only evidence so far is that he has helped put two players into the NBA.

Beas didnt need Frankies help, he was a top two pick with or w/o frank.

Sounds like talent trumps coaching

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