ok, so merriewether

[sys]

wtf?  ksu struggles enough to score as is.  but you handicap the team w. merriewether and you have pretty much no hope of scoring.  hell even beasley and walker struggled when cmerr's man was free to double at will, whenever, wherever, 100% of the time.


i can understand refusing to play an important player, for whatever reason.  but if you are going to pull him, it just isn't fair to the rest of the team to give his minutes to merrsey.  stick awaji, or brown, or even werner out there.  give the team a &@#%ing chance.




(other smart meltdowns can go in this thread too, doesn't have to be pure merriewether).

[omahawildcat]

Who else would you play?

Sutton can't shoot either
Brown doesn't play D and would probably get half of his 3's blocked because he has the stupidist looking shot in the world
Awaji - Well, did he even make the trip?

[TAFNA Dude]

dude is with you, sys.

(other smart meltdowns can go in this thread too, doesn't have to be pure merriewether).

dude's meltdown topics:

1) turning the ball over so much.  wtf?
2) offense in general - does it exist past "beat their defense down the court" ?
3) 3 pt % from the team sans fred brown  
4) why not play the best players?(kind of ties into the cmerry thing)

-dude

[Panjandrum]

wtf?  ksu struggles enough to score as is.  but you handicap the team w. merriewether and you have pretty much no hope of scoring.  hell even beasley and walker struggled when cmerr's man was free to double at will, whenever, wherever, 100% of the time.


i can understand refusing to play an important player, for whatever reason.  but if you are going to pull him, it just isn't fair to the rest of the team to give his minutes to merrsey.  stick awaji, or brown, or even werner out there.  give the team a fracking chance.




(other smart meltdowns can go in this thread too, doesn't have to be pure merriewether).

It's not just CM.  Yeah, he's not great, but the guy plays decent defense and rebounds a little bit.  He's basically Sutton, but he's not as athletic, and Sutton is about ten times the scoring threat CM is.

The main problem, in general, is that we don't have consistent scorers period.  You can't count on anyone to carry that weight.  If Pullen isn't hitting shots, that forces Clemente to step up, and if he's not hitting shots, that means Fred Brown needs to hit a bunch of threes.  If he's not shooting well, or holding onto the ball at all, we're screwed.

People are complaining about the coaching of the team, but there's not much there to coach.  We're a team of role players.  You have to have a focal point or two to build these role players around.  Unfortunately, those guys are coming next year, so in the meantime, we're forced to watch what we're watching now.

[omahawildcat]

The problem is that Sutton and Awaji were supposed to be scoring threats.

Now either they were total recruiting misses or they are not being allowed to shoot.

[hemmy]

Who else would you play?

Sutton can't shoot either He is great at defense, can rebound well, and make plays
Brown doesn't play D and would probably get half of his 3's blocked because he has the stupidist looking shot in the world You are stupid, he doesn't get very many shots blocked, and is a much more consistent shooter this year
Awaji - Well, did he even make the trip?

[Panjandrum]

The problem is that Sutton and Awaji were supposed to be scoring threats.

Now either they were total recruiting misses or they are not being allowed to shoot.

I don't think Sutton was ever intended to be a scoring threat.  He's a 'glue' guy.  He's supposed to be the guy that gets the crappy defensive assignment, goes in and bangs around inside even though he's not really all that tall (he's just athletic enough), and basically score on putbacks and when someone goes and double-teams someone better.

He's basically David Hoskins, but DH played on some really crappy teams, and he was forced to step up and be the man, and he gained confidence because of it.  If Sutton was forced into that role, I think he could be as effective as DH.  However, for some reason, Frank's not letting him step up to do that.

The handling of Sutton is one of my biggest gripes with Frank at this point.

[omahawildcat]

The recruiting analysis said that Sutton was a good shooter.

I knew Samuels was not a good shooter coming in, but always thought I'd see more from Sutton.

[sys]

It's not just CM.  Yeah, he's not great, but the guy plays decent defense and rebounds a little bit.  He's basically Sutton, but he's not as athletic, and Sutton is about ten times the scoring threat CM is.

everyone is 10x the scoring threat cmerr is.  and, he's not some amazing defender either.  he's ok, nothing more.  but even if he was just &@#%ing lockdown, it still is a tremendous handicap.

and i agree that no one else is a real good scorer either.  which is why they shouldn't be handicapped with merri.

[MOKSUAZ]

so far this year i'd take Brown over Sutton and Merriewether.  he's an average defender but so is Merriewether (Sutton dominates this category) and he's the best threat to score on offense (blows away Sutton and Merriewether here). 

[omahawildcat]

It's not just CM.  Yeah, he's not great, but the guy plays decent defense and rebounds a little bit.  He's basically Sutton, but he's not as athletic, and Sutton is about ten times the scoring threat CM is.

everyone is 10x the scoring threat cmerr is.  and, he's not some amazing defender either.  he's ok, nothing more.  but even if he was just fracking lockdown, it still is a tremendous handicap.

and i agree that no one else is a real good scorer either.  which is why they shouldn't be handicapped with merri.

It's Martin's responsibility to find recruits that will help us win. How about recruiting shooters, not just role players? Heck Velander is a non scholarship player and I thought I heard he's leading the league in 3 point shooting.

[Panjandrum]

It's not just CM.  Yeah, he's not great, but the guy plays decent defense and rebounds a little bit.  He's basically Sutton, but he's not as athletic, and Sutton is about ten times the scoring threat CM is.

everyone is 10x the scoring threat cmerr is.  and, he's not some amazing defender either.  he's ok, nothing more.  but even if he was just fracking lockdown, it still is a tremendous handicap.

and i agree that no one else is a real good scorer either.  which is why they shouldn't be handicapped with merri.

It's Martin's responsibility to find recruits that will help us win. How about recruiting shooters, not just role players? Heck Velander is a non scholarship player and I thought I heard he's leading the league in 3 point shooting.

That's what Will Spradling will ultimately become.  McGruder as well.

[sys]

The recruiting analysis said that Sutton was a good shooter.

no it didn't.

Scout.com Player Evaluation:
STRENGTHS
 Athleticism
 Rebounding
 Toughness
   
AREAS FOR IMPROVEMENT
 Mid-Range Game
 Perimeter Shot

Dominique Sutton is back to full strength and playing like Kansas State knew he could. The 6-foot-5 wing has looked very impressive in two days of action, showing off a keen ability score and attack the glass. The biggest question that has always surrounded him was his shooting touch.

Making the trip out to the Midwest is 6-foot-4 senior Dominique Sutton. Sutton will bring his inside game to Kansas State. Sutton is a menace on the boards and has great shot blocking ability. When he gets the ball in the paint, there isn't very much one defender can do. One of Sutton's advantages is that he is more physically developed than other high school players. He simply overpowers his opponents.

Sutton uses his good body to get into the lane and cause trouble for the smaller guards that try to defend him. His ability to shoot the ball has greatly improved since breaking onto the scene a year ago.

[catdude33]

wtf?  ksu struggles enough to score as is.  but you handicap the team w. merriewether and you have pretty much no hope of scoring.  hell even beasley and walker struggled when cmerr's man was free to double at will, whenever, wherever, 100% of the time.


i can understand refusing to play an important player, for whatever reason.  but if you are going to pull him, it just isn't fair to the rest of the team to give his minutes to merrsey.  stick awaji, or brown, or even werner out there.  give the team a fracking chance.




(other smart meltdowns can go in this thread too, doesn't have to be pure merriewether).

Agree on cmerr.  D1 guards have to be able to shoot and make wide open 3 point set shots at least 40% of the time.  Also, LOL at people (idiots) who thought dkent was some sort of passing wizard last season.  Passing to beasley and watching him score could make most anyone look like arvydas sabonis vol. 2.  He sucks at passing.  He sucks at a lot of other stuff too, but I've been wanting to meltdown about his passing for a while now.  

[omahawildcat]

Small forward
Durham (NC) Patterson School
AAU: DC Assault

Ht: 6-foot-4
Wt: 195 lbs
Shooting: Good
Rebounding: Outstanding
Handle: Developing
Passing: Developing
Strength: Good
Class: 2007 (High School)

Are you saying that Scout is better at evaluating then Rivals?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

The problem is that Sutton and Awaji were supposed to be scoring threats.

Now either they were total recruiting misses or they are not being allowed to shoot.

They ARE both scoring threats.  Martin is too busy playing Castro-style "I'm the boss - you're the bitch" mind games that he has forgotten to cash either of these bucket machines in for the guaranteed 30+ points per game that non-retarded magement of their efforts would yield.  Frank is a retard.  He is.  Retarded.  Not full-retard, but Frank's drooling somewhere on something right now thinking about marching bands.

[TAFNA Dude]

Small forward
Durham (NC) Patterson School
AAU: DC Assault

Ht: 6-foot-4
Wt: 195 lbs
Shooting: Good
Rebounding: Outstanding
Handle: Developing
Passing: Developing
Strength: Good
Class: 2007 (High School)

Are you saying that Scout is better at evaluating then Rivals?

if that's the evaluation rivals gave sutton, then scout is obviously superior to rivals in evaluating basketball recruits.

[omahawildcat]

Small forward
Durham (NC) Patterson School
AAU: DC Assault

Ht: 6-foot-4
Wt: 195 lbs
Shooting: Good
Rebounding: Outstanding
Handle: Developing
Passing: Developing
Strength: Good
Class: 2007 (High School)

Are you saying that Scout is better at evaluating then Rivals?

if that's the evaluation rivals gave sutton, then scout is obviously superior to rivals in evaluating basketball recruits.

I'm not totally surprised. Jason Bennett being labeled a 5 star kind of gave that away.

[sys]

Are you saying that Scout is better at evaluating then Rivals?

in general, i like j. meyer from rivals.  i think his evals are pretty good.  don't like j young that much (he's been let go, now anyways).  i find scout more variable, less consistent.  i think their natl guys take a lot more input from the regional guys and it results in some uneven rankings.  good on who they see often though.

they all do pretty well on the top guys.  it gets more spotty farther down, naturally, since they don't emphasize those recruits.


the last 3 quotes i included were from rivals, so i'd take their "good" as grade inflation.  the general consensus on sutton was elite athlete, underdeveloped perimeter skills.  which was dead on.

[Bullfn33]

wtf?  ksu struggles enough to score as is.  but you handicap the team w. merriewether and you have pretty much no hope of scoring.  hell even beasley and walker struggled when cmerr's man was free to double at will, whenever, wherever, 100% of the time.


i can understand refusing to play an important player, for whatever reason.  but if you are going to pull him, it just isn't fair to the rest of the team to give his minutes to merrsey.  stick awaji, or brown, or even werner out there.  give the team a fracking chance.




(other smart meltdowns can go in this thread too, doesn't have to be pure merriewether).

So, in other words, Frank needs to learn who our best players are, and then, like, play them, instead? I agree. Hilarious how CMer was the direct result of three turnovers in the first 5 minutes of the game and Martin sticks with him over guys like Sutton, who have some semblance of an offensive game. GMAFB with this "doghouse" sh1t..it gets old and doesn't work. He's already mind&@#%ed Pullen into the worst slump of his career. IMO, he just needs to sit back and let the players play. I think that's our problem on offense. It's like he's created an environment where people are so afraid to &@#% up that they get tentative and passive when they get the ball, they start thinking too much instead of playing. I could be wrong but that could explain why we look so clueless on offense, succumb to pressure and commit middle school-like turnovers.

[kougar24]

Quit calling him "cmerr"....that &@#%er hardly deserves a nickname.

[JTKSU]

Quit calling him "cmerr"....that fracker hardly deserves a nickname.

At least that dude plays his ass off.  If he was at least a slightly talented ball player, he would be one hell of an asset to this team.  Instead, he's the guy that earns playing time over dudes with much, much more god-given ability.  Can't hate on Cmerr, he was never expected to play any more minutes than any other walk-on.  At least he knows his role and doesn't try to create his own shots ala Kent.

[Kat Kid]

I hate Kent the most because of the distilled sh1t that he represents (and is).

[Pett]

Awaji - Well, did he even make the trip?

Yes, he did make the trip. He played a little at the end of the game.

Buchi definitely needs more playing time IMHO. I know it's not saying alot, but he can be one of our top scorers.

[catzacker]

the only "coaching" problem I have with Martin is the points he tries to prove in games.  most coaches prove points in practice (or at least can get them across in practice).  sure, every once in a while you'll see coaches do the 5 subs at once bullsh*t, but that's like every once in a while. Frank's pulling people out the instant the f up.

he's not getting any offense from his defense because his offense is turning it over, which leads to easy buckets for the other team and less transition for our team and more set offense, which we are terrible at. 

CM has no business on the court.  CM brings nothing that Sutton can't bring on his worst day. 

But the fact that CM is playing (and on f'ing scholarship) should be where the frustration lies.  The fact that Martin gave 2 scholarships in '08, one of which is gone and the other struggles to get minutes over retarded CM.  Those are the real issues. 

[~WabashRoll~]

the only "coaching" problem I have with Martin is the points he tries to prove in games.  most coaches prove points in practice (or at least can get them across in practice).  sure, every once in a while you'll see coaches do the 5 subs at once bullsh*t, but that's like every once in a while. Frank's pulling people out the instant the f up.

he's not getting any offense from his defense because his offense is turning it over, which leads to easy buckets for the other team and less transition for our team and more set offense, which we are terrible at. 

CM has no business on the court.  CM brings nothing that Sutton can't bring on his worst day. 

But the fact that CM is playing (and on f'ing scholarship) should be where the frustration lies.  The fact that Martin gave 2 scholarships in '08, one of which is gone and the other struggles to get minutes over retarded CM.  Those are the real issues. 

Exactly.

Chris Merriwether can't help the fact that he's not a Division 1 basketball player. 

This one's on Frank 100%.

 

[The Nasti]

Awaji - Well, did he even make the trip?

Yes, he did make the trip. He played a little at the end of the game.

Buchi definitely needs more playing time IMHO. I know it's not saying alot, but he can be one of our top scorers.

Yes Buchi can score, but he is suspect on the defensive end. We are not going to all of a sudden be a high scoring team, like Baylor, if we just run with Buchi and Fred Brown in the backcourt. You think our post men are slow and cannot defend now (w/ Clemente, Pullen, and Dom Sutton defending the perimeter), just imagine how bad they would be with 'ole defenders, like Buchi and Fred?

We win games by crashing the glass and defending our asses off - lately we have not been doing the latter, therefore we are losing. If we cannot beat Baylor - a soft team- in the Octagon, this may be a 10th place team and not the 8-8 team ( ) I thought we would be.

Thankfully, it's still early...

[A-Lishious]

The problem is that Sutton and Awaji were supposed to be scoring threats.

Now either they were total recruiting misses or they are not being allowed to shoot.

Sys, is Awaji the second coming of Blake Young? I personally dont think he is even as good as Young was. is he supposed to get into the rotation some more or is his defense just that suspect?

[sys]

sys, is Awaji the second coming of Blake Young? I personally dont think he is even as good as Young was. is he supposed to get into the rotation some more or is his defense just that suspect?

why ask me?  anyways, no.  completely diff. players so i don't see the comparo.

if you just mean is he not as good as advertised - only retards thought he would be good.  he was a horrible recruit.  he is actually a bit better than i expected.