Name Five Current D-1 Coaches...

[Pete]

Boeheim's been to the NIT two years in a row.

Donovan has back to back NC's. ku and Self have to go 20 or so years between NC's.

If Rush, Arthur, and Chalmers all came back, ku wins back-to-back NC's also.  LOL @ a K-State fan talking National Championships.

Boeheim has owned ku twice in huge games.  Once to go to the final four, and once to win the National championship.....maybe look for a different coach to criticize, Ben.

[BMWJhawk]

Boeheim's been to the NIT two years in a row.

Donovan has back to back NC's. ku and Self have to go 20 or so years between NC's.

If Rush, Arthur, and Chalmers all came back, ku wins back-to-back NC's also.  LOL @ a K-State fan talking National Championships.

Boeheim has owned ku twice in huge games.  Once to go to the final four, and once to win the National championship.....maybe look for a different coach to criticize, Ben.

He beat Roy in the '03 title game... needed a 14-point comeback to beat an inexperienced, rebuilding ku team.  NIT two years in a row.  Yeah, just incredible. 

[WilliamTheWildcat]

He's a pretty good coach.  If anything, last season shows that it takes some serious good fortune to win it all.  Does Self make me think he's a great X's and O's guy like CoC's former coach John Kresse?  No.  He's a recruiter to the max though. I think his play design at the end of the game yesterday was pretty weak. It may have worked last April, but that was an answered prayer.  I recall the same play in the aTm game at AFH two years ago, only it went to Collins instead of Chalmers. It failed in that game too.

I guess the real question here is:  Why do you care what we think about Self?

[Paul11]

Brad Stevens
Thad Matta
Coach K
Tom Izzo
Roy Williams

[Butt Fugly]

Donovan has back to back NC's. ku and Self have to go 20 or so years between NC's.

If Rush, Arthur, and Chalmers all came back, ku wins back-to-back NC's also.  LOL @ a K-State fan talking National Championships.

Yea but they didn't comeback.  Donovan was able to convince his NBA players to comeback and win another title.  Masta Self obviously didn't convince them to comeback.

[MOKSUAZ]

Boeheim's been to the NIT two years in a row.

Donovan has back to back NC's. ku and Self have to go 20 or so years between NC's.

If Rush, Arthur, and Chalmers all came back, ku wins back-to-back NC's also.  LOL @ a K-State fan talking National Championships.

Boeheim has owned ku twice in huge games.  Once to go to the final four, and once to win the National championship.....maybe look for a different coach to criticize, Ben.

He beat Roy in the '03 title game... needed a 14-point comeback to beat an inexperienced, rebuilding ku team.  NIT two years in a row.  Yeah, just incredible. 

11-25-08, so if Syracuse is an NIT team, what does that make ku?  sit at home and watch the tourney team?  plus all of syracuse's players on that '03 NC team were young as well.  you have no argument for '03.

[KSU176]

'cuse basically owns ku.

Doesn't matter what postseason...if ku v SU, the 'cuse every time.

[yoga-lika_abana]

1.billy donovan
2. jim boeheim
3.jim calhoun
4. roy williams
5.mike krzyzewski
6. I'd even say Izzo is better
7. could keep going.

[SnackPackz]

Stupidest argument ever. Every time someone names a coach better than self, BMW challenges it by comparing TEAMS. Play by your own rules, man...

[BMWJhawk]

Boeheim's been to the NIT two years in a row.

Donovan has back to back NC's. ku and Self have to go 20 or so years between NC's.

If Rush, Arthur, and Chalmers all came back, ku wins back-to-back NC's also.  LOL @ a K-State fan talking National Championships.

Boeheim has owned ku twice in huge games.  Once to go to the final four, and once to win the National championship.....maybe look for a different coach to criticize, Ben.

He beat Roy in the '03 title game... needed a 14-point comeback to beat an inexperienced, rebuilding ku team.  NIT two years in a row.  Yeah, just incredible. 

11-25-08, so if Syracuse is an NIT team, what does that make ku?  sit at home and watch the tourney team?  plus all of syracuse's players on that '03 NC team were young as well.  you have no argument for '03.

I'm sorry, man, but you don't know what the hell you're talking about half of the time.  Syracuse went to the NIT in '07 and '08.  I don't know what the '03 championship game has to do with Bill Self. 


PS.  Collins passed the ball to Chalmers on the three against Memphis, not Robinson.  Please improve your BBIQ before you post.

[MOKSUAZ]

Boeheim's been to the NIT two years in a row.

Donovan has back to back NC's. ku and Self have to go 20 or so years between NC's.

If Rush, Arthur, and Chalmers all came back, ku wins back-to-back NC's also.  LOL @ a K-State fan talking National Championships.

Boeheim has owned ku twice in huge games.  Once to go to the final four, and once to win the National championship.....maybe look for a different coach to criticize, Ben.

He beat Roy in the '03 title game... needed a 14-point comeback to beat an inexperienced, rebuilding ku team.  NIT two years in a row.  Yeah, just incredible. 

11-25-08, so if Syracuse is an NIT team, what does that make ku?  sit at home and watch the tourney team?  plus all of syracuse's players on that '03 NC team were young as well.  you have no argument for '03.

I'm sorry, man, but you don't know what the hell you're talking about half of the time.  Syracuse went to the NIT in '07 and '08.  I don't know what the '03 championship game has to do with Bill Self. 

you keep claiming Syracuse is an NIT team, but yet when i bring up that Syracuse beat ku this year asking what does that make Bill Self, you claim i have nothing.  and i brought up the argument about the '03 NC game b/c you claimed ku was young and inexperienced and i just stated the fact that Syracuse was young and inexperienced.  maybe it's you that doesn't know what you're talking about half the time broseph. 

[BMWJhawk]

I simply pointed out that Syracuse has been to the NIT two years in a row now.  Never said they were an NIT team this season.  Do you even watch college basketball?   

[Thin Blue Line]

With all things being equal, if all teams do not have the McDAA laden rosters, I would rather have any of the before mentioned coaches before Self. Self has managed to do less with more than any other coach. Hands down. Fact of the matter. Insert any other media catch-phrase you like.

[Chingon]

Bill Self lost to Jim Wooldridge.

[Thin Blue Line]

Also, you can't look at last year, five years or 20 years ago. Each season is different. You will just have to face the fact that uk isn't that good this year and will be lucky to make the post season.

[yoga-lika_abana]

boheim's win % .735 1 national 'ship over 700 wins
selfs win% .719 1 national 'ship over 300 wins

 

[feralchat]

Can you be more needy? Lose a game and you're over here desperate for validation.
You're as insecure as Selp is out of control.

[MOKSUAZ]

I simply pointed out that Syracuse has been to the NIT two years in a row now.  Never said they were an NIT team this season.  Do you even watch college basketball?   

so why base the last two seasons on BS being better than JB if i can't use this year's meeting?  do you even watch college basketball?  prbly too busy in your 'rec league'.

[thefridge]

Donovan was in the NIT last year.  Roy's team lost to Self's team by 18 points in the Final Four last year.  Calipari's team lost to Self's team in the Nat'l Championship last year.  Howland and Calipari have never won a Nat'l Championship.  Coach K?  Talk about SNOWCOAT.  Pitino?  LMAO... they just lost to Western Kentucy by 14 points.  Tom Izzo?  Michigan State just lost to Maryland by 18 and UNC by 35.  


 

this argument is terrible. you can't reference individual games that's idiotic and closed-minded. i don't care if you think self is in the top 5 but if you say he's a better coach than roy williams simply b/c he beat him last year, well that's just stupid. in my book the top 5 in no order are:

Roy/ Krzyzewski/ Pitino/ Calhoun/ Boeheim

These guys win with and without talent, something i'm not so sure if guys like cal or self could do.

[BMWJhawk]

I'll summarize:

Donovan - NIT last season
Boeheim - NIT last season
Howland - never won a Nat'l title
Calipari - never won a Nat'l title
Williams - great coach, team lost to ku by 18 points in '08 Final Four
Coach K - great coach, probably the best in the country (loves himself some SNOWCOAT)
Calhoun - hasn't done much recently with all that talent
Izzo - has had some pretty "meh" teams lately
Matta - NIT last season



Bottom line... every coach has flaws.  Every coach has had teams that struggled.  Every coach has had teams that have been upset by a lesser team.  K-State fans hold Bill Self to an impossibly high standard so when he fails you can act like the man can't coach.  Just take a look at that list and you will understand how difficult it is to consistently compete for championships.  Florida lost all five starters last season and look what happened.  

[MOKSUAZ]

I'll summarize:

Donovan - NIT last season
Boeheim - NIT last season
Howland - never won a Nat'l title
Calipari - never won a Nat'l title
Williams - great coach, team lost to ku by 18 points in '08 Final Four
Coach K - great coach, probably the best in the country (loves himself some SNOWCOAT)
Calhoun - hasn't done much recently with all that talent
Izzo - has had some pretty "meh" teams lately
Matta - NIT last season



Bottom line... every coach has flaws.  Every coach has had teams that struggled.  Every coach has had teams that have been upset by a lesser team.  K-State fans hold Bill Self to an impossibly high standard so when he fails you can act like the man can't coach.  Just take a look at that list and you will understand how difficult it is to consistently compete for championships.  Florida lost all five starters last season and look what happened.  

why even start threads that you'll end up conceding?

[RonLongshaft]

I'll summarize:

Donovan - NIT last season
Boeheim - NIT last season
Howland - never won a Nat'l title
Calipari - never won a Nat'l title
Williams - great coach, team lost to ku by 18 points in '08 Final Four
Coach K - great coach, probably the best in the country (loves himself some SNOWCOAT)
Calhoun - hasn't done much recently with all that talent
Izzo - has had some pretty "meh" teams lately
Matta - NIT last season



Bottom line... every coach has flaws.  Every coach has had teams that struggled.  Every coach has had teams that have been upset by a lesser team.  K-State fans hold Bill Self to an impossibly high standard so when he fails you can act like the man can't coach.  Just take a look at that list and you will understand how difficult it is to consistently compete for championships.  Florida lost all five starters last season and look what happened.  

so are you saying BS is among that mess of coaches or maybe even below them? do we have to bring up the first round games again?

[BMWJhawk]

I simply pointed out that Syracuse has been to the NIT two years in a row now.  Never said they were an NIT team this season.  Do you even watch college basketball?   

so why base the last two seasons on BS being better than JB if i can't use this year's meeting?  do you even watch college basketball?  prbly too busy in your 'rec league'.

Look, the point is that Boeheim has been to the NIT two straight years.  If that were the case for Bill Self, this wouldn't even be a discussion.  As for the head-to-head, I don't think that this year's game decisively gives Boeheim the edge.  Syracuse came back from 14 points down to send the game to overtime.  Considering that Syracuse returned multiple starters from last year and is the more experienced team, while ku replaced five starters and brought back 4 scholarship players from last year, I'd give the edge to Self.  JMO.

[Chingon]

I simply pointed out that Syracuse has been to the NIT two years in a row now.  Never said they were an NIT team this season.  Do you even watch college basketball?   

so why base the last two seasons on BS being better than JB if i can't use this year's meeting?  do you even watch college basketball?  prbly too busy in your 'rec league'.

Look, the point is that Boeheim has been to the NIT two straight years.  If that were the case for Bill Self, this wouldn't even be a discussion.  As for the head-to-head, I don't think that this year's game decisively gives Boeheim the edge.  Syracuse came back from 14 points down to send the game to overtime.  Considering that Syracuse returned multiple starters from last year and is the more experienced team, while ku replaced five starters and brought back 4 scholarship players from last year, I'd give the edge to Self.  JMO.

Moral Victory then?

[BMWJhawk]

Donovan was in the NIT last year.  Roy's team lost to Self's team by 18 points in the Final Four last year.  Calipari's team lost to Self's team in the Nat'l Championship last year.  Howland and Calipari have never won a Nat'l Championship.  Coach K?  Talk about SNOWCOAT.  Pitino?  LMAO... they just lost to Western Kentucy by 14 points.  Tom Izzo?  Michigan State just lost to Maryland by 18 and UNC by 35.  


 

this argument is terrible. you can't reference individual games that's idiotic and closed-minded. i don't care if you think self is in the top 5 but if you say he's a better coach than roy williams simply b/c he beat him last year, well that's just stupid. in my book the top 5 in no order are:

Roy/ Krzyzewski/ Pitino/ Calhoun/ Boeheim

These guys win with and without talent, something i'm not so sure if guys like cal or self could do.

Are you kidding me?  K-State fans were trashing Self yesterday after losing an "individual game."  Do you even realize that Self coached at Oral Roberts, Tulsa, and Illinois before arriving at ku?  His Tulsa team went to the Elite Eight in 2000.  They didn't have any McD AA's.  If anyone can't win without talent, it'd be Roy.  

[MOKSUAZ]

I simply pointed out that Syracuse has been to the NIT two years in a row now.  Never said they were an NIT team this season.  Do you even watch college basketball?   

so why base the last two seasons on BS being better than JB if i can't use this year's meeting?  do you even watch college basketball?  prbly too busy in your 'rec league'.

Look, the point is that Boeheim has been to the NIT two straight years.  If that were the case for Bill Self, this wouldn't even be a discussion.  As for the head-to-head, I don't think that this year's game decisively gives Boeheim the edge.  Syracuse came back from 14 points down to send the game to overtime.  Considering that Syracuse returned multiple starters from last year and is the more experienced team, while ku replaced five starters and brought back 4 scholarship players from last year, I'd give the edge to Self.  JMO.

so if ku comes back from 14 pts. down yesterday to tie the game and send if to OT i could give the edge to derek kellogg as the better coach?  reminds me of gary patterson saying they were better than Utah for 59 minutes.  but, but i thought ku didn't rebuild, they just reloaded  .

[yoga-lika_abana]

I simply pointed out that Syracuse has been to the NIT two years in a row now.  Never said they were an NIT team this season.  Do you even watch college basketball?   

so why base the last two seasons on BS being better than JB if i can't use this year's meeting?  do you even watch college basketball?  prbly too busy in your 'rec league'.

Look, the point is that Boeheim has been to the NIT two straight years.  If that were the case for Bill Self, this wouldn't even be a discussion.  As for the head-to-head, I don't think that this year's game decisively gives Boeheim the edge.  Syracuse came back from 14 points down to send the game to overtime.  Considering that Syracuse returned multiple starters from last year and is the more experienced team, while ku replaced five starters and brought back 4 scholarship players from last year, I'd give the edge to Self.  JMO.

Ben your reasoning for "better" active coaches is hilarious.

yes, self is so much better than the third winningest active coach who also has a NC.

[cireksu]

what a garbage argument.

[BMWJhawk]

I simply pointed out that Syracuse has been to the NIT two years in a row now.  Never said they were an NIT team this season.  Do you even watch college basketball?   

so why base the last two seasons on BS being better than JB if i can't use this year's meeting?  do you even watch college basketball?  prbly too busy in your 'rec league'.

Look, the point is that Boeheim has been to the NIT two straight years.  If that were the case for Bill Self, this wouldn't even be a discussion.  As for the head-to-head, I don't think that this year's game decisively gives Boeheim the edge.  Syracuse came back from 14 points down to send the game to overtime.  Considering that Syracuse returned multiple starters from last year and is the more experienced team, while ku replaced five starters and brought back 4 scholarship players from last year, I'd give the edge to Self.  JMO.

Ben your reasoning for "better" active coaches is hilarious.

yes, self is so much better than the third winningest active coach who also has a NC.

He's coached for like 40 years.  Of course he has more wins.  Like I give a f*ck. 

[treysolid]

I completely agree with Ben.

oops!  retraction.  i just realized i was reading the last portion of all his posts that ends with "I'm getting pwn3d by All Big 12 linebacker Terry Pierce".  sorry, i'll have to pay more attention next time.