the new LB commit...

[The Manhatter]

he's not as highly rated as Ross Diehl was but I bet he's better.

Ron is bringing in better athletes than Snyder did at the end of DOD.

Seriously...Sims, M. Butler, Diehl, and the kid out of Liberal were LB signees.

There were complaints when we landed Antwon Moore...after watching him play that has changed.

[RonLongshaft]

the return of Linebacker U? maybe not but i can agree with what your saying

[The Manhatter]

the return of Linebacker U? maybe not but i can agree with what your saying

fans act like Simoneau, Buhl, Hickman, etc. had offers from Miami, Florida State, etc.

Let's see the video etc.  We had Bumpas in camp and that is usually the best look a coach can get.  They put them through all types of drills, time them in a 40, etc.

I was thinking WTF w/ the Mims commit and then I saw his video...looks like he could really develop into something at LT.

[PoetWarrior]

Ron is bringing in better athletes than Snyder did at the end of DOD.

Bingo.

[~WabashRoll~]

Any standing long jump numbers?

[Paul11]

Linebacker U is already covered by Penn State, but keep wishing upon a star.

[LimestoneOutcropping]

Linebacker U is already covered by Penn State, but keep wishing upon a star.

Everyone knows we are first Cornerback u.

[Bullfn33]

KSU = Playmaker U^TM

[swish1]

Ron is bringing in better athletes than Snyder did at the end of DOD.

Bingo.

are we supposed to be impressed by this?  there is a reason the DOD ended.

[catzacker]

great, in year 3 Ron's learning that he needs to develop HS kids. 

[RonLongshaft]

Linebacker U is already covered by Penn State, but keep wishing upon a star.

GMAFB its a well known fact among posters with HFBIQ that Penn State copied this off of KSU. Its just one of many things to start in Manhattan and spread like wildfire (left right chant in BBall, good for a wildcat.....1st down, going for 2 instead of 1 after TD, and the world famous "BOOOO", etc)

[cireksu]

Deihl and Butler sucked ass.  This kid had better be better.

[LesMiserables]

Kid may work out to be an ok player.  The whole roster is headed to guys who may turn out to be ok players.....not a good sign.....most of the recruits who "may" turn out to be ok, don't.  Even if some portion of them do, you don't compete at high levels with a roster full of ok players.

[catdude33]

Kid may work out to be an ok player.  The whole roster is headed to guys who may turn out to be ok players.....not a good sign.....most of the recruits who "may" turn out to be ok, don't.  Even if some portion of them do, you don't compete at high levels with a roster full of ok players.

Prince only recruits diamonds in the rough.  So we should be ok.  Plus, from what I've heard they all seem to have "a hell of a motor."  Good news.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

The whole roster is headed to guys who may turn out to be ok players

This is true for 95% of Division 1 college football programs.  If you're not Texas, LSU, OU, Ohio State, or USC, you have to evaluate and project.  Filtering elites is not in the cards for KSU.  It never has been.  Not even Snyder got the sure things.  I'm not sure what you've been watching the last 20 years. 

[ksuno1stunner]

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[tmramrod91]

The whole roster is headed to guys who may turn out to be ok players

This is true for 95% of Division 1 college football programs.  If you're not Texas, LSU, OU, Ohio State, or USC, you have to evaluate and project.  Filtering elites is not in the cards for KSU.  It never has been.  Not even Snyder got the sure things.  I'm not sure what you've been watching the last 20 years. 

QFT

CFB for the non-elites (every school except the ones mentioned above) separate themselves with 1)evaluating talent (not the obvious omg type players) and 2) having quality assistants to develop those players.

Right now, ksu has done neither of those 2 for the past few years.

[Pett]

and the kid out of Liberal were LB signees.

Mac Rosel. Remember him in the shrine game?

[LesMiserables]

There are 25-35 schools who frequently end up in the top twenty five in recruiting rankings.  Most of those schools also fairly regularly populate the end of the year top twenty five rankings.  Fact is, if you are averaging in the high two star to low three star averages your chances of finding a bunch of guys who can really play goes up dramatically.  You still need good coaching [hello, ND], and there are also schools who fairly regularly end up in the top twenty five without highly ranked recruiting classes if they play in weak conferences [hello, Boise State].  However, if you think that pulling in a class of low ranked recruits gives you an even chance to compete for Big 12 division titles I've got a bridge I'd like to sell you.

[opcat]

There are 25-35 schools who frequently end up in the top twenty five in recruiting rankings.  Most of those schools also fairly regularly populate the end of the year top twenty five rankings.  Fact is, if you are averaging in the high two star to low three star averages your chances of finding a bunch of guys who can really play goes up dramatically.  You still need good coaching [hello, ND], and there are also schools who fairly regularly end up in the top twenty five without highly ranked recruiting classes if they play in weak conferences [hello, Boise State].  However, if you think that pulling in a class of low ranked recruits gives you an even chance to compete for Big 12 division titles I've got a bridge I'd like to sell you.

ku ranked well last year on some average players.

Snyder never got the 4 star rival allstars.

There has been a study on Rivals and Scout rankings that make it to the NFL and most were 3 star guys if i remember.  Too lazy to google it.

[catdude33]

There are 25-35 schools who frequently end up in the top twenty five in recruiting rankings.  Most of those schools also fairly regularly populate the end of the year top twenty five rankings.  Fact is, if you are averaging in the high two star to low three star averages your chances of finding a bunch of guys who can really play goes up dramatically.  You still need good coaching [hello, ND], and there are also schools who fairly regularly end up in the top twenty five without highly ranked recruiting classes if they play in weak conferences [hello, Boise State].  However, if you think that pulling in a class of low ranked recruits gives you an even chance to compete for Big 12 division titles I've got a bridge I'd like to sell you.

ku ranked well last year on some average players.

Snyder never got the 4 star rival allstars.

There has been a study on Rivals and Scout rankings that make it to the NFL and most were 3 star guys if i remember.  Too lazy to google it.

That may be true but only because there are so many more 3* guys than 5* guys.  The percentage of 5*s that make it to the NFL is much much much higher than the percentage of 3*s that do.

[FBWillie]

Jesus guys....   he could be reading this and thinking... "WTF?   I'm not elite?"   Then commit to Oregon instead. 


Just say'n...   If you love KSU, you'll STFU.



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[Legore]

There are 25-35 schools who frequently end up in the top twenty five in recruiting rankings.  Most of those schools also fairly regularly populate the end of the year top twenty five rankings.  Fact is, if you are averaging in the high two star to low three star averages your chances of finding a bunch of guys who can really play goes up dramatically.  You still need good coaching [hello, ND], and there are also schools who fairly regularly end up in the top twenty five without highly ranked recruiting classes if they play in weak conferences [hello, Boise State].  However, if you think that pulling in a class of low ranked recruits gives you an even chance to compete for Big 12 division titles I've got a bridge I'd like to sell you.

This really isn't true at all.  There are maybe 5 to 10 programs that consistently recruit very well and are good most years.  Texas and OU are the only big 12 schools that fall into this catagory.  The rest of the big 12 has to evaluate and develop talent to win.  KSU's 2004 class was ranked 18th in the country and ku's was ranked 51st with a bunch of two stars.  Which class ended up going to an orange bowl and which class ended up taking it's schools winning tradition into the crapper? 

Recruiting rankings are fun and meaningful if you can land 5 star and high 4 star kids that everyone in the country is after.  Once you get past those guys there just isn't much correlation between recruiting rankings and how a kid turns out.  Obviously if you can recruit nothing but 4 and 5 stars you'll probably win.  That isn't going to happen at KSU but it's not going to happen anywhere else in the North either.  There are other ways to get it done we've seen people win at high levels without bringing in highly rated recruiting classes.   About the time Sndyer started landing top 20 recruiting classes  is about the time his teams started going downhill.   

[PoetWarrior]

http://kansasstate.rivals.com/teamrank.asp?Year=2008&Page=2&PosType=0&Sort=0