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March 26, 2008, 10:19:09 PM
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I have to write a paper (due tomorrow, lol) Rebutting Jason Whitlock's article "K-State Wallowing in Negativity" I know a lot of you know TONS of facts, and I need to know all the bad shat that Whitless has done, like why he was fired from ESPN, etc. And I also need sources. Any help you guys could give me would be awesome!

March 26, 2008, 10:29:11 PM
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i've known JW for a while, he's not a bad guy - just doing his job.  besides, you wouldn't be rebutting his article by defaming him.  if you want to rebut his article, prove we aren't wallowing in negativity.  shouldn't be hard.

just my  Two Cents


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March 26, 2008, 10:31:17 PM
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i've known JW for a while, he's not a bad guy - just doing his job.  besides, you wouldn't be rebutting his article by defaming him.  if you want to rebut his article, prove we aren't wallowing in negativity.  shouldn't be hard.

just my  Two Cents

Just doing his job!? Maybe he could be a little more reasonable with his "job". And it wasnt really my idea to defame him its just how my teacher wants it.

So do you know why he was fired from ESPN?


March 26, 2008, 10:44:25 PM
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Ok, Im sorry, but how can you defend him with the shat he writes about our University? I understand that he is a "shock writer" but I also understand that no one seems to have a shred of respect for him. Us and ku fans alike. IMO he is an embarrasment.  The only way he can get any one to read his articles is to cram them with $hit that has no basis in facts.  Its a good thing he got that degree in journalism, otherwise his writing "skills" would be similar to those at Manhattan elementary.

March 26, 2008, 10:46:23 PM
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This board is the new GPC.  "Need help with a paper!"  "Oh yeah.  I'm a huge f*cking homer, too!"

March 26, 2008, 10:49:09 PM
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This board is the new GPC.  "Need help with a paper!"  "Oh yeah.  I'm a huge f*cking homer, too!"

I thought a lot of people would think it was interesting... apparently Im wrong.

March 26, 2008, 10:50:33 PM
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March 26, 2008, 10:51:17 PM
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This board is the new GPC.  "Need help with a paper!"  "Oh yeah.  I'm a huge f*cking homer, too!"

 :lol:


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March 26, 2008, 11:12:59 PM
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i've known JW for a while, he's not a bad guy - just doing his job.  besides, you wouldn't be rebutting his article by defaming him.  if you want to rebut his article, prove we aren't wallowing in negativity. shouldn't be hard.

just my  Two Cents

Skydog, I have to agree with Clams on this one.  A personal attack on the writer does not prove that what he wrote was wrong.  Not sure that getting fired from ESPN has anything to do with it... he job is to sell papers and evidently he does a good job of that.

March 26, 2008, 11:21:08 PM
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I know it doesnt. But it does prove that he has done something to make a very important sports news source fire him. I guess I phrased my first post wrong... I dont really want to defame JW, I just want some good facts disproving that article, and a lot of people who post here have a large knowledge of K-State basketball, and throw out some insane facts... I was just hoping some people might be able to help me out. I wasnt trying to get someone to do all the fact finding for me... I just thought a lot of people would already have a lot of good facts. If I knew I was going to get this kind of reaction I would have definately not asked for any help.  :'(

March 26, 2008, 11:22:09 PM
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I have to write a paper (due tomorrow, lol) Rebutting Jason Whitlock's article "K-State Wallowing in Negativity" I know a lot of you know TONS of facts, and I need to know all the bad shat that Whitless has done, like why he was fired from ESPN, etc. And I also need sources. Any help you guys could give me would be awesome!

if i were your instructor, and you used an ad hominem argument to support your position (or rebut another's), i would fail you.  just a fwiw and an imho.
"these are no longer “games” in the commonly accepted sense of the term. these are free throw shooting contests leavened by the occasional sprint to the other end of the floor."

March 26, 2008, 11:25:44 PM
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I have to write a paper (due tomorrow, lol) Rebutting Jason Whitlock's article "K-State Wallowing in Negativity" I know a lot of you know TONS of facts, and I need to know all the bad shat that Whitless has done, like why he was fired from ESPN, etc. And I also need sources. Any help you guys could give me would be awesome!

if i were your instructor, and you used an ad hominem argument to support your position (or rebut another's), i would fail you.  just a fwiw and an imho.

I agree, but that's actually what my instructor wants. She told us to show how whitlock is an unreliable source and how anything he says should not even be slightly considered fact. in HER opinion, that is the best way to rebut an argument.

March 26, 2008, 11:27:36 PM
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what class is this?  you might want to if you can get your instructor fired.
"these are no longer “games” in the commonly accepted sense of the term. these are free throw shooting contests leavened by the occasional sprint to the other end of the floor."

March 26, 2008, 11:29:02 PM
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I would start with a fat joke. Then mention race.

Honestly, this paper practically writes itself.
“My arm gets tired from doing this,” said coach Bill Snyder, waving his arm.

March 26, 2008, 11:30:04 PM
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Expos II, and seriously she is not a very intellegent person.

March 26, 2008, 11:30:33 PM
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I would start with a fat joke. Then mention race.

Honestly, this paper practically writes itself.

lol

March 27, 2008, 09:57:50 AM
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probably too late for the assignment...

...but, i'd focus on how what may be passion on the inside can be perceived as 'negativity' from an uninterested outside viewer. i mean, there are unlimited examples of fans in every sport all over the place where we would think "man thats idiotic"... i agree that an attack on whitlock would only show out his point on k-state negativity (or at least insecurity)  take the high road, write from your heart (purple i assume) and blow him away that way!

March 27, 2008, 10:20:50 AM
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I have to write a paper (due tomorrow, lol) Rebutting Jason Whitlock's article "K-State Wallowing in Negativity" I know a lot of you know TONS of facts, and I need to know all the bad shat that Whitless has done, like why he was fired from ESPN, etc. And I also need sources. Any help you guys could give me would be awesome!

I don't know how much help this will be but here is the e-mail I sent JW in regards to that column.

Jason,
 
Jason, first of all, I must say that you amaze me. You must be a very hard worker to have taken time to experience all college basketball teams home environment so as to determine that K-State is the angriest place in college basketball. You should ask for a raise. Out of curiosity, which school would you say is second angriest? 
 
As a K-State fan I want to thank your column on Wednesday, February 27th.  In reading your columns throughout the years that you have been in Kansas City, it is clear that you certainly have gained the credibility to be the moral compass for Kansas State. More importantly, though, you use this credibility to help other people understand themselves.  If you did not have this credibility, this column may appear to be a pathetic personal attack on K-State fans because they wrote inappropriate e-mails to you about a recent controversial column or heckled when you when you walked into Bramlage on Monday night. Of course, you never get personal in your columns.
 
Because of your life experiences, you are uniquely qualified to understand the term “hypocritically self-righteous”. Certainly you have a keen eye for vulgarity, hostility and defensiveness as you have built a successful career deftly using these tools as part of your writing repertoire --- never crossing the line of appropriateness, of course.
 
I absolutely agree that our students should not do such things as make vulgar comments about a player on the opponent team about their sexual preference (whether true or not) or unnecessarily attack a player’s mother for no good reason but to make others mad or have the mean spirit to unnecessarily call out mistakes made by somebody on the other team, for example, a coach getting a DUI. These things cross the line of sportsmanship.  I am sure you, as an adult, would NEVER do these things. If you did, you might risk your credibility.
 
You certainly have extensive experience in considering the line of appropriateness. Not unlike K-State’s fans needing to determine when a line has been crossed relative to supporting their team, you have a career of experience in writing articles that have made you struggle as to whether a column went across a line – not so much the line of fairness or appropriateness, but the line of avoiding a lawsuit.
 
Thank you for helping K-State fans understand that basketball is better played happy. This is excellent advice. I am curious if you feel this pertains to writing a sports column as I have noted from time to time that your writing seems to be written in a negative tone rather than taking a more positive tact.
 
I hope you won’t mind if I point out one flaw in your column. Towards the end you indicated that the “entire fan base is whining like a bunch of losers”.  Based on previous comments you made about Bill Snyder, I think you really meant, “the entire fan base is a whining bunch of losers, except Bill Snyder.” 
 
By the way, when I returned my ballot you sent out to the entire K-State fan base about what type of fan I think I am, I checked “whiny loser”, but I am amazed that you had 100% response and that every other fan also checked that box. Wow! I just realized that even included Bill Snyder!
 
(Sarcasm stopped at this point)
 
Jason, I think you actually have some valid points, but, once again, you take a decent point and ruin it with unnecessary over the top personal attacks which are exactly what you are suggesting K-State fans need to stop. Is that not hypocritical?
 
I have little doubt that this is retaliation for e-mail attacks on you and your treatment at the game. Have you ever considered being the bigger man?




March 27, 2008, 10:26:08 AM
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Something tells me somebody misunderstood the assignment.
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March 27, 2008, 10:57:55 AM
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« Last Edit: March 27, 2008, 01:40:50 PM by Skydog »

March 27, 2008, 11:03:35 AM
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That paper is at best a C.  It is riddled with grammatical errors and poor style.   :banghead:

March 27, 2008, 11:16:17 AM
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I agree with Chingon prepare for the worst. :flush:

March 27, 2008, 11:24:09 AM
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That paper is at best a C.  It is riddled with grammatical errors and poor style. 

If it's a grammar and style test, you might be right, however, you didn't discuss the merits of the arguments, which was the point of the paper, wasn't it??

March 27, 2008, 11:31:26 AM
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I agree, but that's actually what my instructor wants. She told us to show how whitlock is an unreliable source and how anything he says should not even be slightly considered fact. in HER opinion, that is the best way to rebut an argument.
That is kind of an unusual position for the teacher to take, but in court cases, a witness's character and credibility might be attacked in a similar fashion. If it could shown that Whitlock was unstable or unqualified, then maybe it would help undermine his position. There's not much need, though because his points can be easily countered.

March 27, 2008, 11:36:23 AM
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In any english class the baseline is proper style and grammar.  It would be like taking a calculus test and not being able to multiply two numbers together, but knowing what a derivative is.  What's the point of being a great dunker if you can't dribble the ball?

March 27, 2008, 11:40:04 AM
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In any english class the baseline is proper style and grammar.
Well, you would have failed with this sentence alone, but where does it say the paper was for an English class?

  It would be like taking a calculus test and not being able to multiply two numbers together, but knowing what a derivative is. What's the point of being a great dunker if you can't dribble the ball?
You don't need to to dribble the ball to be a great dunker, so why sweat the irrelevant details.

March 27, 2008, 12:58:24 PM
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That paper is at best a C.  It is riddled with grammatical errors and poor style.   :banghead:

Care to elaborate?

March 27, 2008, 01:04:09 PM
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I sent Jason an email:

Dear Jason:

Great work; it must make you laugh knowing you have so many K-Stater's by the short ones.  Please continue so I can read round after round of, "Here's the email I sent Whitlock", on various K-State bulletin boards.   

Sincerely:

Amused watcher of the Powertard Propaganda Ministry

March 27, 2008, 01:07:18 PM
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