Sherron is finally healthy!

[Ben]

The talking point that "Self doesn't develop players" is another myth that K-State fans have perpetuated.  Kevin Kietzman was just talking yesterday about the improvement of Kaun and Jackson, specifically, and how they were the key to Kansas' success this season.   That's why I like Kietzman... even as a K-State fan he can see things for what they are.  I don't hear people bagging on Roy Williams for developing players, yet Hansbrough/Ellington/Green/Lawson all had NBA potential coming into UNC. 

Kaun's/Jackson's improvement was the key?  I thought a healthy Sherron Collins was the key?

Don't ask me... ask Kietzman. 

[CatsNChiefs]

Ahh, it's the suckass-t argument, the intangibles.  Substance is not your strong point.

[greasd up deaf guy]

The "Kaun has improved" argument is stupid. The guy was as raw as possible and had played little basketball and had played against zero quality competition. He was going to get better because he came from next to nothing.
If you honestly think that Jackson has improved more than Augustin you're a fool.

[catdude33]

You're talking about how Kaun and Jackson have improved under Self.  I'm just asking , if not statistically, in what way have they improved.  If you don't know that's ok.

[Ben]

Kevin Kietzman is the one who pointed out how much Kaun and Jackson have improved this season.  If you can't see that improvement, you're simply in denial.  Kaun is much more polished, more comfortable on the court, has developed some solid post moves, and is just more of a complete player at this level.  Jackson is arguably the most improved player in the Big 12.  He's earned an NBA paycheck this year. 

Only the most biased of K-State fans would deny that.

[JavaCat]

No, just pointing out how dumb your fanbase has become.

Dumb? Why don't you answer fatty then? When has Sherron been healthy and when has he not been healthy? I thought the general consensus was that entering this tournament he was healthy. Now, he's "bumped" his knee and he's not healthy. Face it, if ku bows out early all we'll hear is how nice it would be if Sherron would get healthy because ku is such a different team when he's healthy. So, when has he been healthy? When has ku been a "different" team with a healthy Sherron?

Does this comment by you mean he was healthy at the end of the season this year?

A 70% Sherron can still play, but he's not the same player we saw at the end of the season.

[catdude33]

OK, you gave me Kaun.  He's more comfortable.  Has Jackson's "comfort level" also improved?

I guess my only question would be why wouldn't an increased comfort level, and more polished post moves result in more points or rebounds?  I guess we'll never know.

[Ben]

I already said that he started to show signs of being 100% against K-State in Allen Fieldhouse.  During this stretch, he was named Big 12 Co-Player of the Week along with Michael Beasley.  You guys just don't follow Kansas basketball that closely... I don't expect you to understand the difference between a healthy Sherron and an 80% Sherron.  

[Ben]

OK, you gave me Kaun.  He's more comfortable.  Has Jackson's "comfort level" also improved?

I guess my only question would be why wouldn't an increased comfort level, and more polished post moves result in more points or rebounds?  I guess we'll never know.

Because he plays for Kansas... a team with a lot of balance.  Kaun isn't the focal point of the offense. 

[catdude33]

Was he his sophomore year?

[Ben]

Was he his sophomore year?

No, but he did start and average more minutes per game.  Once again, you're simply relying on espn.com stats to make your entire argument.  I've seen Sasha Kaun over his four year career and he's a much better player now than he was his first three years.  He's a more complete player.  Danny Manning has really done wonders for his post game.

[JavaCat]

I already said that he started to show signs of being 100% against K-State in Allen Fieldhouse.  During this stretch, he was named Big 12 Co-Player of the Week along with Michael Beasley.  You guys just don't follow Kansas basketball that closely... I don't expect you to understand the difference between a healthy Sherron and an 80% Sherron. 

How can we understand the difference when ku fans change his health status every day?

[JavaCat]

Was he his sophomore year?

Danny Manning has really done wonders for his post game.

So it was Danny Manning and not Self? Figures.

[catdude33]

Was he his sophomore year?

No, but he did start and average more minutes per game.  Once again, you're simply relying on espn.com stats to make your entire argument.  I've seen Sasha Kaun over his four year career and he's a much better player now than he was his first three years.  He's a more complete player.  Danny Manning has really done wonders for his post game.

I guess we'll have to take your word for it.

[Ben]

I already said that he started to show signs of being 100% against K-State in Allen Fieldhouse.  During this stretch, he was named Big 12 Co-Player of the Week along with Michael Beasley.  You guys just don't follow Kansas basketball that closely... I don't expect you to understand the difference between a healthy Sherron and an 80% Sherron. 

How can we understand the difference when ku fans change his health status every day?

So Kansas fans bruised his knee?  Are we also responsible for Rush tearing his ACL?

Was he his sophomore year?

Danny Manning has really done wonders for his post game.

So it was Danny Manning and not Self? Figures.

Yeah, believe it or not, there's an entire coaching staff here at Kansas.  

[Ben]

Was he his sophomore year?

No, but he did start and average more minutes per game.  Once again, you're simply relying on espn.com stats to make your entire argument.  I've seen Sasha Kaun over his four year career and he's a much better player now than he was his first three years.  He's a more complete player.  Danny Manning has really done wonders for his post game.

I guess we'll have to take your word for it.

That's the thing... it's not just me.  Kevin Kietzman, among others, has noticed the same improvement.  I guess you're just in denial or blinded by your purple bias. 

[CatsNChiefs]

My inside sources tell me Walker's been injured since the ku game @ the bram, he finally got healthy after the A&M game.

Problem is he re'injured himself last night, so K'state will be in a hole from the tip.

[JavaCat]

I already said that he started to show signs of being 100% against K-State in Allen Fieldhouse.  During this stretch, he was named Big 12 Co-Player of the Week along with Michael Beasley.  You guys just don't follow Kansas basketball that closely... I don't expect you to understand the difference between a healthy Sherron and an 80% Sherron. 

How can we understand the difference when ku fans change his health status every day?

So Kansas fans bruised his knee?  Are we also responsible for Rush tearing his ACL?

Could you please list the ku schedule and give us a "yay" or "nay" on whether Sherron was healthy for that game. Thanks.

Was he his sophomore year?

Danny Manning has really done wonders for his post game.

So it was Danny Manning and not Self? Figures.

Yeah, believe it or not, there's an entire coaching staff here at Kansas. 

That's obvious. Self couldn't develop anybody in order to choke in the tournament without that staff.

[catdude33]

Was he his sophomore year?

No, but he did start and average more minutes per game.  Once again, you're simply relying on espn.com stats to make your entire argument.  I've seen Sasha Kaun over his four year career and he's a much better player now than he was his first three years.  He's a more complete player.  Danny Manning has really done wonders for his post game.

I guess we'll have to take your word for it.

That's the thing... it's not just me.  Kevin Kietzman, among others, has noticed the same improvement.  I guess you're just in denial or blinded by your purple bias. 

[Ben]

I have no idea what the hell Javacat is trying to say, and catdude is just an idiot.  Maybe you guys can learn something from Kevin Kietzman and learn to set your purple bias aside every once in a while.  There's not a single person in the country who wouldn't agree that Kaun and Jackson have improved.... except for the irrational K-State fan.

[CatsNChiefs]

LOL @ irrational, let us rewind:

Irrational:  Using statistical facts to form a performance based argument.

Rational:  Using opinion based adjectives to refute a statistically based factual argument.

Stupid:  You.





Just awesome.

[Ben]

Statistical facts show that Jackson's performance has improved, whether you like it or not.  My very own eyes can see that Sasha Kaun is a more complete player.  Crazy how everyone agrees except for a few dumbass K-State fans.  Even Kevin Kietzman has seen the light.

[CatsNChiefs]

Kevin Kietzman, among others, has noticed the same improvement.

Maybe you guys can learn something from Kevin Kietzman and learn to set your purple bias aside every once in a while.

Even Kevin Kietzman has seen the light.

Soooo now Kietzman is the end all be all of sports analysts because you believe he's somehow not biased?

You are just too smart for us.  Obivously Kevin is a sporting god.  I will personally try to be more like him in every way.

All thanks to you.

[LimestoneOutcropping]

Statistical facts show that Jackson's performance has improved, whether you like it or not.  My very own eyes can see that Sasha Kaun is a more complete player.  Crazy how everyone agrees except for a few dumbass K-State fans.  Even Kevin Kietzman has seen the light.

If only we had an unbiased, objective numerical measure of how many points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks and FG% Kaun had in his Sophomore year and this year.  Then, we could compare them side by side and see when he performed better to see if there was a large jump in per minute performance. 

Oh well, until then we will have to rely on eye witness accounts and speculative opinions of biased fans and talk radio hosts.

[Ben]

Kevin Kietzman, among others, has noticed the same improvement.

Maybe you guys can learn something from Kevin Kietzman and learn to set your purple bias aside every once in a while.

Even Kevin Kietzman has seen the light.

Soooo now Kietzman is the end all be all of sports analysts because you believe he's somehow not biased?

You are just too smart for us.  Obivously Kevin is a sporting god.  I will personally try to be more like him in every way.

All thanks to you.

I'm just pointing out that not all K-State fans are blinded by their hatred towards ku.  If you can't see that Kaun and Jackson have improved and have been key players for a #1-seed Big 12 title team, then I'm not sure what it would take for you to take off the purple-tinted glasses. 

Statistical facts show that Jackson's performance has improved, whether you like it or not.  My very own eyes can see that Sasha Kaun is a more complete player.  Crazy how everyone agrees except for a few dumbass K-State fans.  Even Kevin Kietzman has seen the light.

If only we had an unbiased, objective numerical measure of how many points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks and FG% Kaun had in his Sophomore year and this year.  Then, we could compare them side by side and see when he performed better to see if there was a large jump in per minute performance. 

Oh well, until then we will have to rely on eye witness accounts and speculative opinions of biased fans and talk radio hosts.

Yeah, if only people would base their opinions on players solely off of espn.com statistical "analysis," and never actually watch the games... then, and only then, would we really know whether or not a player had improved. 

Kaun started his sophomore year, average more minutes, and was surrounded by CJ Giles, Christian Moody, and a freshman Julian Wright.  Big difference compared to the talent that Kansas has now.  Player improvement isn't just indicated by statistics.  Kaun is a better player on the court because he's more experienced and has finally grasped the mental aspect of the game.  He's not a trainwreck every time he gets the ball like he used to be.  He has developed some nice post moves with the help of Coach Manning.  Kaun is a much more complete player at this stage in his career.  The picks and the little things he does within the offense usually go unnoticed by spectators with low BBIQ.

Kansas has so much balance with guys like Chalmers, Rush, Arthur, Jackson, Collins, and Robinson that it's unreasonable to base Kaun or anyone else's improvement as a basketball player soley on stats.  If you want to act like a hard ass and pretend that Kaun and Jackson haven't improved during their years here at Kansas, then go ahead.  Be my guest. 

[LimestoneOutcropping]

You have a total hard on for espn.com.  Why? 

You really should share your basketball guruship with more people.  Have you ever talked to NBA teams about scouting?

[CatsNChiefs]

I'm not sure what it would take for you to take off the purple-tinted glasses.

Oh I don't know, some sort of factual reference.

[catdude33]

I have no idea what the hell Javacat is trying to say, and catdude is just an idiot. 

Yeah, judging how much a player has improved based on measurable statistical categories rather than what a retard radio show host thinks.  Complete idiocy.

[Ben]

Yes, relying solely on stats instead of actually watching the on-court improvement from year-to-year is the way to go.  The statistics for Team A are always relevant to the statistics for Team B.  Nevermind that Kaun's field goal percentage is 61% (highest in his career) or that his role isn't to score points. 

You people are sh*t-caked in denial. 

[CatsNChiefs]

You people are sh*t-caked in denial. 

I'm going to need to see some sort of stat on that please.