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March 10, 2008, 04:01:02 AM
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Ladies & gentlemen, I present: The Problem

March 10, 2008, 06:22:36 AM
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is that an onion article?

that math part was pretty onion-esque.
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March 10, 2008, 09:05:06 AM
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Does this mean I can take 'carbon credits' out of my investment portfolio??

March 10, 2008, 09:10:02 AM
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No it'll be a good 20 years before the folks making a buck on this stop Goring the gullible.
Ladies & gentlemen, I present: The Problem

March 10, 2008, 09:17:04 AM
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This can't be helping much:

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Climate change and global variability

5 March 2008

A significant drop in global average temperature in January 2008 has led to speculation that the Earth is experiencing a period of sustained cooling.

full story at this link

March 10, 2008, 09:26:05 AM
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That's why they shifted the mantra from "Global Warming" to "Climate Change" a few years ago.  The solar cycle was due to turn around 2010-ish and pretty much everyone knew that would erase the alleged warming (century of global warming erased: http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature+Monitors+Report+Worldwide+Global+Cooling/article10866.htm). 

Thankfully no draconian carbon taxes / reduction laws were put in place so the whackjobs on the left can't take credit.  They're now left to whine, "But we told you it wasn't just warming, it was 'climate change'!  CO2 is cooling the Earth!  Glaciers will advance as far south as North Texas if we don't stop filling the atmosphere with the CO2 that's causing ... (wait for it) ... Global Cooling!"

There are fortunes to be made here for years to come.  Heck Al Gore has made in excess of $100,000,000 since his exit from the office of the VP. 
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March 10, 2008, 11:24:12 AM
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Thanks... I'll be sure and send the link to the Polar Bears so they know when they are drowning this year that it snowed in Baghdad and China had a cold winter.  Hopefully that will make them feel better about the loss of habitat due to imagined global warming. 

March 10, 2008, 11:29:17 AM
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Thanks... I'll be sure and send the link to the Polar Bears so they know when they are drowning this year that it snowed in Baghdad and China had a cold winter.  Hopefully that will make them feel better about the loss of habitat due to imagined global warming. 
if a polar bear drowns then he was an idiot in the first place


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March 10, 2008, 11:35:14 AM
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Thanks... I'll be sure and send the link to the Polar Bears so they know when they are drowning this year that it snowed in Baghdad and China had a cold winter.  Hopefully that will make them feel better about the loss of habitat due to imagined global warming. 

In the last 30 or so years, when sea ice has allegedly decreased, the polar bear population has not:

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Polar bears have increased from a population of 5,000 in 1972 to between 20,000 and 25,000 today.

link to story: Polar bears caught in a heated eco-debate

March 10, 2008, 12:20:30 PM
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March 10, 2008, 12:29:32 PM
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ok you stupid earth hating tards;

it is not exact proof that the earth is getting hotter or colder, but one thing you can not deny is that using dirty fuels and industries that emit anything other than CO2 or O2 is crapty. it is crapty for your lungs, for the smog it makes, and for the waste it creates. do you think using all our NON-renewable resources is a good idea? perhaps, just perhaps, the US should think ahead and try to get its act together now, regardless of globing climate change, so we're not falling behind in global technology, increasing costs and taking a big dump on mother earth. don't those things out weigh the thought of "if global warming is a hoax"?

let's fix things before they become a big problem, the technology is out there to do amazing things that pollute less and use re-newable technology.

what reasons are there to keep being wastefull and pollute if we don't need to? nevermind the off chance that we may be irreversabilby changing our climate to unstable and unheard of levels that our current population (and population distribution) can not deal with...

March 10, 2008, 12:34:33 PM
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ok you stupid earth hating tards;

it is not exact proof that the earth is getting hotter or colder, but one thing you can not deny is that using dirty fuels and industries that emit anything other than CO2 or O2 is crapty.
That's not the issue behind gullobal warming. It's the things that DO emit CO2 that are alleged to be the problem.

it is crapty for your lungs, for the smog it makes, and for the waste it creates. do you think using all our NON-renewable resources is a good idea?
It's fine. Just don't use baseless scare tactics to promote the use of such resources.

perhaps, just perhaps, the US should think ahead and try to get its act together now, regardless of globing climate change, so we're not falling behind in global technology, increasing costs and taking a big dump on mother earth. don't those things out weigh the thought of "if global warming is a hoax"?
First, the U.S. more than likely spends much more money on gullobal warming research than the rest of the world combined. For example, here at K-State, we have a researcher getting $1 million grant to study the effect of dirt on gullobal warming. The driver behind gullobal warming is leveraging cash for research and regulations.

let's fix things before they become a big problem, the technology is out there to do amazing things that pollute less and use re-newable technology.

what reasons are there to keep being wastefull and pollute if we don't need to? nevermind the off chance that we may be irreversabilby changing our climate to unstable and unheard of levels that our current population (and population distribution) can not deal with...
If you want to make changes, then be honest about it. For starters, the polar bears aren't dying off from gullobal warming.


March 10, 2008, 12:36:00 PM
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I need negative attention because I'm not smart enough to discuss this topic.

It's okay. We'll help you.

March 10, 2008, 12:43:12 PM
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LOL @ sys the hippie..

To the rest of you supposed supporters of AGW, all I need from you is the exact scientific study that says a doubling of CO2 = 2.5 degree Celsius temperature increase.

Let me know when you guys find that scientific paper.

Otherwise.. STFU.

March 10, 2008, 01:24:49 PM
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... using dirty fuels and industries that emit anything other than CO2 or O2 is crapty. it is crapty for your lungs, for the smog it makes, and for the waste it creates.

As a former resident of the Los Angeles area I couldn't agree more.  It really sucked those afternoons when I couldn't see the San Gabriel Mountains from my office window despite the fact that they were barely five miles away.  However, lying and inventing a crisis in order to address an issue you haven't been successful in addressing directly is not only bad policy it will, in the long run, damage your cause.  Once the global warming hoax is widely seen as the fraud it is folks trying to effect change for the right reasons will face that much more skepticism and that much more resistance. 

do you think using all our NON-renewable resources is a good idea?

It really depends on whether we're happy living in detached single family homes and having mobility independent of our physical condition or the whims of whatever agency happens to be running the local public transportation.  If you want to move to a commune by all means, move to a commune.  Personally I'll pass because I know for a fact that the free market, if the left doesn't manage to tax or regulate it out of existence, will replace non-renewable sources of energy as the cost of using it becomes unbearable.  In a century or two all of these issues will work themselves out.  Distorting the market via drastic government intervention will only impede progress in that direction. 

Right now people are getting rich selling global warming propaganda and suckling at the government teat "researching" a hoax.  Better to take the carbon tax/credit nonsense off the table and allow the markets to move towards a real long-term solution rather than having the government attempt to choose winners.  Ethanol anyone?  Wind turbines that kill raptors?  Offshore wind farms that damage the marine environment?  Legislating clean coal plants right out of the market in favor of clean burning natural gas then wondering why the price of said gas increases seven fold in under a decade.  Etc.  The only guarantee is that whatever solution the government favors will be, at the absolute best sub-optimal and more likely downright asinine.

let's fix things before they become a big problem, the technology is out there to do amazing things that pollute less and use re-newable technology.

Of course and right now we're doing the best thing imaginable to make that happen: allowing oil prices to stay high.  Every time you hear a politician talking about reducing the cost of oil / gasoline what they're really saying is, "I don't care about environmentally friendly fuels or renewable energy." 

what reasons are there to keep being wastefull and pollute if we don't need to? nevermind the off chance that we may be irreversabilby changing our climate to unstable and unheard of levels that our current population (and population distribution) can not deal with...

Because doing so will guarantee that we're forced to make changes sooner rather than later.  Conservation of oil merely prolongs our dependence on it by guaranteeing a supply for that many more years.  Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead.

And if the climate is irreversible warming (it is not BTW) every warm period in human history has coincided with great advances in science and the arts, every cold period with a decline of the same.  Yet more proof that lefties desperately want to return to the Dark Ages.
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March 10, 2008, 03:05:43 PM
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Just because it will drive ksudb/azcat/mjrod et al bonkers:

what is the motivation for scientists to claim that global warming exists?

what is the motivation for scientists to claim that global warming does not exist?

which group has the greater motivation?

thanks in advance!
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March 10, 2008, 03:09:55 PM
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March 10, 2008, 03:19:50 PM
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Just because it will drive ksudb/azcat/mjrod et al bonkers:

what is the motivation for scientists to claim that global warming exists?
That's already been addre$$ed.

what is the motivation for scientists to claim that global warming does not exist?
Because some scientists know better than to make baseless proclamations.

which group has the greater motivation?

thanks in advance!
The group that stands to benefit more financially probably has the 'greater' motivation.

March 10, 2008, 03:35:03 PM
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LOL @ kat kid for being vague.

March 10, 2008, 03:35:39 PM
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Just because it will drive ksudb/azcat/mjrod et al bonkers:

what is the motivation for scientists to claim that global warming exists?
That's already been addre$$ed.

what is the motivation for scientists to claim that global warming does not exist?
Because some scientists know better than to make baseless proclamations.

which group has the greater motivation?

thanks in advance!
The group that stands to benefit more financially probably has the 'greater' motivation.

Agree.  What makes you think Exxon Mobil is less able to influence scientists than Green Peace?
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March 10, 2008, 03:37:57 PM
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Agree.  What makes you think Exxon Mobil is less able to influence scientists than Green Peace?
They aren't necessarily less able.

March 10, 2008, 03:38:52 PM
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Exxon Mobile is the failsafe, albeit completely irrelevant issue, in the global warming charade.

March 10, 2008, 03:42:21 PM
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Exxon Mobile is the failsafe, albeit completely irrelevant issue, in the global warming charade.


Definitely. People tend overlook the fact that ExxonMobil gives about $35 million a year to higher education institutions, most of which are research universities where a lot of the climate change research occurs..

March 10, 2008, 03:46:41 PM
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Agree.  What makes you think Exxon Mobil is less able to influence scientists than Green Peace?
They aren't necessarily less able.

How about Exxon Mobil (just Exxon, we'll leave out BP, Citgo, Phillips/Connoco) vs. every single Environmental NGO/Non-Profit?

Is there any doubt about the amount of entrenched financial, political and economic leverage in this?

I have no idea about the science, I'm not a climatologist.  I've never seen Gore's movie, I think Malthusian claims are somewhat excitable/unrealistic, I think that private ownership is an important counter-weight to govt. idea's about what is best use for land.

But to pretend that the vested interests here are not enormously in favor of there being some sort of contrarian research is just plainly dishonest.
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March 10, 2008, 03:47:51 PM
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Exxon Mobile is the failsafe, albeit completely irrelevant issue, in the global warming charade.


Definitely. People tend overlook the fact that ExxonMobil gives about $35 million a year to higher education institutions, most of which are research universities where a lot of the climate change research occurs..

Yeah, that sounds completely irrelevant.

I can't believe how dumb you are.
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March 10, 2008, 03:49:45 PM
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Exxon Mobile is the failsafe, albeit completely irrelevant issue, in the global warming charade.


Definitely. People tend overlook the fact that ExxonMobil gives about $35 million a year to higher education institutions, most of which are research universities where a lot of the climate change research occurs..

Yeah, that sounds completely irrelevant.

I can't believe how dumb you are.

It is irrelevant.  Unless you can show that such research is worthless simply because of the possibility they might have some political influence, then you're just blowing hot air.

March 10, 2008, 03:52:28 PM
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Yeah, that sounds completely irrelevant.
If ExxonMobil is the evil corporation they wouldn't be spending millions of dollars with institutions that undermine it's business.

I can't believe how dumb you are.
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March 10, 2008, 03:55:26 PM
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Exxon Mobile is the failsafe, albeit completely irrelevant issue, in the global warming charade.


Definitely. People tend overlook the fact that ExxonMobil gives about $35 million a year to higher education institutions, most of which are research universities where a lot of the climate change research occurs..

Yeah, that sounds completely irrelevant.

I can't believe how dumb you are.

It is irrelevant.  Unless you can show that such research is worthless simply because of the possibility they might have some political influence, then you're just blowing hot air.


The burden of proof is on those providing the scientific research.  You know, peer review, scientific method, ability to re-create conditions and find similar results.

The source of money is ALWAYS a source of consideration in bias.  It is why you reject anything cited by MediaMatters out of hand.  I'm not even making an argument about global warming, it just reeks of 'doth protest too much' defensive posturing when you won't allow the possibility that the source of funding for scientific experimentation might have substantive effects on the products.  I mean it is possible, right?
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March 10, 2008, 03:56:35 PM
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Yeah, that sounds completely irrelevant.
If ExxonMobil is the evil corporation they wouldn't be spending millions of dollars with institutions that undermine it's business.

I can't believe how dumb you are.
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I'm not explaining this to you.
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March 10, 2008, 03:57:37 PM
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I can't believe how dumb you are.

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