Official Car Thread

[mjrod]

I had a 1998 Durango, but I needed something that guzzled less gas.  Since the teens all now drive and have their own cars, I didn't need a big SUV for work and family.   It's a great vehicle, low maintenance, and the powercat magnets look excellent on it.

So you spent $15,000 to save about $10 for every tank of gas you buy?  That's genius! 

That was a nice Durango.  Brown was so cool!

Interesting.   I paid $37,900 for the Durango when it first came out.  It had everything including the leather seats,  4WD, third seat, etc.  Back then gas was around $1.10 a gallon so a tank of gas was about $30.00.    When I traded in the Durango back in 2005, the Equinox had just come out and I got the top of the line model LT except no leather seats and no sun roof.   It was for $24,000.  I can fill up my tank for  about $35.00.    My fuel bill has not gone up overall, but if I had continued with the Durango, it would have considering the cost of fuel, maintenance and insurance.  The cost of maintenance on the Durango each year was running me about $1200, but this year, the Equinox has had only $200 of maintenance (changing of oil and filters), last year it was about the same.    The only problem has been tires.   The sport tires I have on the Equinox have to be ordered and cost as much as the Durango tires, but they are 60K mile tires compared to the tires on the Durango.

For my driving habits and business needs, my costs have gone down both in terms of maintenance, fuel usage and insurance.  I'd say that I did a great trade.

So Jeffy, STFU.

 

Are you figuring in all the interest you are paying on a car loan?  Damn.  It's still cheaper to have the ol' beater.

Or you could have outright purchased a 2 year old vehicle and let someone else take the majority of the depreciation.  Buying new is kinda like  .

The 1.9% rate is steep?  Wow. 

And I like new.  And because I can do it.   You want someone else sloppy seconds.. be my guest.

[FBWillie]

The 1.9% rate is steep?  Wow. 

And I like new.  And because I can do it.   You want someone else sloppy seconds.. be my guest.

Even Better when you get 0% for 60 months with a free 5 year 60K Bumper to bumper warranty.

People that claim "buying new is stupid" are dumb because they don't know when to buy.

[mjrod]

The 1.9% rate is steep?  Wow. 

And I like new.  And because I can do it.   You want someone else sloppy seconds.. be my guest.

Even Better when you get 0% for 60 months with a free 5 year 60K Bumper to bumper warranty.

People that claim "buying new is stupid" are dumb because they don't know when to buy.

I got the warranty from Dodge for free 5 year 100K miles, and 7 years 100K for the Equinox.

The engine in the Durango threw a rod at 86K miles.   Paid $67.00 for a new engine.

You can't beat the deals of having a new car and getting amenities you wouldn't get with a used car.

Unless of course, you buy that crap the used car salesman tells you.

[michigancat]

The 1.9% rate is steep?  Wow. 

And I like new.  And because I can do it.   You want someone else sloppy seconds.. be my guest.

Even Better when you get 0% for 60 months with a free 5 year 60K Bumper to bumper warranty.

People that claim "buying new is stupid" are dumb because they don't know when to buy.

I got the warranty from Dodge for free 5 year 100K miles, and 7 years 100K for the Equinox.

The engine in the Durango threw a rod at 86K miles.   Paid $67.00 for a new engine.

You can't beat the deals of having a new car and getting amenities you wouldn't get with a used car.

Unless of course, you buy that crap the used car salesman tells you.

Japanese cars don't break.

[fatty fat fat]

I hate car fanatics.

[mjrod]

The 1.9% rate is steep?  Wow. 

And I like new.  And because I can do it.   You want someone else sloppy seconds.. be my guest.

Even Better when you get 0% for 60 months with a free 5 year 60K Bumper to bumper warranty.

People that claim "buying new is stupid" are dumb because they don't know when to buy.

I got the warranty from Dodge for free 5 year 100K miles, and 7 years 100K for the Equinox.

The engine in the Durango threw a rod at 86K miles.   Paid $67.00 for a new engine.

You can't beat the deals of having a new car and getting amenities you wouldn't get with a used car.

Unless of course, you buy that crap the used car salesman tells you.

Japanese cars don't break.

Japanese cars also suck.

[steve dave]

Japanese cars also suck.

 

[FBWillie]

The 1.9% rate is steep?  Wow. 

And I like new.  And because I can do it.   You want someone else sloppy seconds.. be my guest.

Even Better when you get 0% for 60 months with a free 5 year 60K Bumper to bumper warranty.

People that claim "buying new is stupid" are dumb because they don't know when to buy.

I got the warranty from Dodge for free 5 year 100K miles, and 7 years 100K for the Equinox.

The engine in the Durango threw a rod at 86K miles.   Paid $67.00 for a new engine.

You can't beat the deals of having a new car and getting amenities you wouldn't get with a used car.

Unless of course, you buy that crap the used car salesman tells you.

Japanese cars don't break.

Not entirely true.

[steve dave]

Not entirely true.

 

[mjrod]

steve dave..   

[ksuno1stunner]

The 1.9% rate is steep?  Wow. 

And I like new.  And because I can do it.   You want someone else sloppy seconds.. be my guest.

Even Better when you get 0% for 60 months with a free 5 year 60K Bumper to bumper warranty.

People that claim "buying new is stupid" are dumb because they don't know when to buy.

I got the warranty from Dodge for free 5 year 100K miles, and 7 years 100K for the Equinox.

The engine in the Durango threw a rod at 86K miles.   Paid $67.00 for a new engine.

You can't beat the deals of having a new car and getting amenities you wouldn't get with a used car.

Unless of course, you buy that crap the used car salesman tells you.

Japanese cars don't break.

Japanese cars also suck.

ya rite dude.

jap > 'cans

[mjrod]

The 1.9% rate is steep?  Wow. 

And I like new.  And because I can do it.   You want someone else sloppy seconds.. be my guest.

Even Better when you get 0% for 60 months with a free 5 year 60K Bumper to bumper warranty.

People that claim "buying new is stupid" are dumb because they don't know when to buy.

I got the warranty from Dodge for free 5 year 100K miles, and 7 years 100K for the Equinox.

The engine in the Durango threw a rod at 86K miles.   Paid $67.00 for a new engine.

You can't beat the deals of having a new car and getting amenities you wouldn't get with a used car.

Unless of course, you buy that crap the used car salesman tells you.

Japanese cars don't break.

Japanese cars also suck.

ya rite dude.

jap > 'cans

LOL @ Youngsters that think they've experienced the real world.

[michigancat]

You're right.  We've never owned a piece of crap car that needed a new engine at 86k miles, then bragged about how smart we were because we bought that piece of crap when it was brand new.

Someday....

[mjrod]

LOL.

Piece of crap car?  Because of one engine failure?

OMG!   You're right.  It's horrible!

 

[ksuno1stunner]

LOL.

Piece of crap car?  Because of one engine failure?

OMG!   You're right.  It's horrible!

 

Toyota/Lexus > 200,000 miles

 

[steve dave]

Toyota/Lexus > 200,000 miles

 

QFFT

American autos are the suck.  Every domestic auto either:
A)  Sucks
B)  Is All White Trashy
C)  both A & B combined

[mjrod]

As long as those toyota's and honda's and hyunda's don't end up under my Durango, a train, or other American car, they'll last that long.

[jeffy]

The 1.9% rate is steep?  Wow. 

And I like new.  And because I can do it.   You want someone else sloppy seconds.. be my guest.

Even Better when you get 0% for 60 months with a free 5 year 60K Bumper to bumper warranty.

People that claim "buying new is stupid" are dumb because they don't know when to buy.

I got the warranty from Dodge for free 5 year 100K miles, and 7 years 100K for the Equinox.

The engine in the Durango threw a rod at 86K miles.   Paid $67.00 for a new engine.

You can't beat the deals of having a new car and getting amenities you wouldn't get with a used car.

Unless of course, you buy that crap the used car salesman tells you.

Japanese cars don't break.

Not entirely true.

Just mostly true.

And the ability to put 200,000 miles on a vehicle without much problem is a real nice perk.

If you're so "rich" mr. rod, just go in there with a handful of cash and bargain them down a hell of a lot more.

[Saulbadguy]

I buy used.  In the long run, it costs me less.

[FBWillie]

The 1.9% rate is steep?  Wow. 

And I like new.  And because I can do it.   You want someone else sloppy seconds.. be my guest.

Even Better when you get 0% for 60 months with a free 5 year 60K Bumper to bumper warranty.

People that claim "buying new is stupid" are dumb because they don't know when to buy.

I got the warranty from Dodge for free 5 year 100K miles, and 7 years 100K for the Equinox.

The engine in the Durango threw a rod at 86K miles.   Paid $67.00 for a new engine.

You can't beat the deals of having a new car and getting amenities you wouldn't get with a used car.

Unless of course, you buy that crap the used car salesman tells you.

Japanese cars don't break.

Not entirely true.

Just mostly true.

And the ability to put 200,000 miles on a vehicle without much problem is a real nice perk.

If you're so "rich" mr. rod, just go in there with a handful of cash and bargain them down a hell of a lot more.

Cash is not king.  Car dealers actually make more money when you finance.  Walking in with a fist full of cash only makes them try and rip you off more. 

Whenever a car dearler is asking for cash down, it's either because you have horrible credit or because no bank in the world will loan you more than a car is worth i.e. you are paying too much for your car. 

In fact, the only person in the dealership that likes cash buyers is the car salesman because he gets paid the same regardless.... Only problem is that the salesman has almost nothing to do with how good of a deal you get; unless the sales manager has absolutetly no balls and he lets his staff walk all over him.

Just by playing the averages, I know that 99% of every one of you guys that says they know how to negotiate and know how to get a good deal on a car are completely full of crap. 

[waks]

The 1.9% rate is steep?  Wow. 

And I like new.  And because I can do it.   You want someone else sloppy seconds.. be my guest.

Even Better when you get 0% for 60 months with a free 5 year 60K Bumper to bumper warranty.

People that claim "buying new is stupid" are dumb because they don't know when to buy.

I got the warranty from Dodge for free 5 year 100K miles, and 7 years 100K for the Equinox.

The engine in the Durango threw a rod at 86K miles.   Paid $67.00 for a new engine.

You can't beat the deals of having a new car and getting amenities you wouldn't get with a used car.

Unless of course, you buy that crap the used car salesman tells you.

Japanese cars don't break.

Not entirely true.

Just mostly true.

And the ability to put 200,000 miles on a vehicle without much problem is a real nice perk.

If you're so "rich" mr. rod, just go in there with a handful of cash and bargain them down a hell of a lot more.

Cash is not king.  Car dealers actually make more money when you finance.  Walking in with a fist full of cash only makes them try and rip you off more. 

Whenever a car dearler is asking for cash down, it's either because you have horrible credit or because no bank in the world will loan you more than a car is worth i.e. you are paying too much for your car. 

In fact, the only person in the dealership that likes cash buyers is the car salesman because he gets paid the same regardless.... Only problem is that the salesman has almost nothing to do with how good of a deal you get; unless the sales manager has absolutetly no balls and he lets his staff walk all over him.

Just by playing the averages, I know that 99% of every one of you guys that says they know how to negotiate and know how to get a good deal on a car are completely full of crap. 

Enlighten me in a pm, please.*





*Not even kidding.

[FBWillie]

Also; The only car that I would honestly say is better than any other is Honda.   Toyota is crap... sorry but it is.  They were great cars in the 90's, but they are now crap.   KIA is a Korean piece of crap.  You're not an american if you buy a car built by a korea where the Name of the vehicle is also an acronym for Killed In Action.  Lexus  what Toyota used to be; nice cars.  But they are way overpriced for what you get.  You want a nice car and $$ is of no meaning to you?  Buy a Honda.

As for American made cars.  Alot of it is crap.  But it's all the same.  
Example: Saturn made the VUE after it was successful it was then turned into the Chevy Equinox and the Pontiac Torrent 2 years later.  They're identical cars.  Same engine, same transmission; same suspension; hell even the same interior.  

Chevy Impala; made in Kansas City.  The exact same assembly line as the Saturn Aura, in fact they come off the assembly line in the order of Chevy then Saturn, then Chevy then Saturn, etc. etc.   Same damn car, except The Aura is winning awards and the Chevy is not?  Odd....  

The New Large SUV that GM is making?  Pontiac, Chevy, and Saturn all have that platform, same engines.  

But the Large SUV and the IMPALA and the Aura's are the only good cars that GM is putting out right now.  

Cobalt? crap.  Saturn ION? It's the same car as the Cobalt... what do you think... crap.   Vue's and whatever Chevy and Pontiac replaces their midsize SUV with next year?  Looks like it's going to be crap.  Minivan's that Chevy, Buick, Pontiac, and Saturn made for 2 years before they were discontinued?  crap.  

Ford does the same damn thing; everyone does. I'd go on, but you get the idea.  hell I doubt any of you are reading this any more.  

And by the way, I've seen just as many Honda's, which I believe is the best car on the road, not make it past 100k as I have GM's and Fords.  Everyday I see GM vehicles over 200,000 miles.   Hell, I saw a 91 Saturn SL1 with over 300,000 miles on it last month.  All original drivetrain.   Nothing but a few minor fixes and regular maintanence.   Know how the guy did it?  He took care of his car.  

[michigancat]

Dealers are for suckers.

Craigslist!

[Pittcat]

Here's some American for ya!

  gas prices!!!

[mjrod]

Dealers are for suckers.

Craigslist!

It's the same thing as saying.. "I'm not capable of buying a new car."

[Pittcat]

Also; The only car that I would honestly say is better than any other is Honda.   Toyota is crap... sorry but it is.  They were great cars in the 90's, but they are now crap.   KIA is a Korean piece of crap.  You're not an american if you buy a car built by a korea where the Name of the vehicle is also an acronym for Killed In Action.  Lexus  what Toyota used to be; nice cars.  But they are way overpriced for what you get.  You want a nice car and $$ is of no meaning to you?  Buy a Honda.

As for American made cars.  Alot of it is crap.  But it's all the same.  
Example: Saturn made the VUE after it was successful it was then turned into the Chevy Equinox and the Pontiac Torrent 2 years later.  They're identical cars.  Same engine, same transmission; same suspension; hell even the same interior.  

Chevy Impala; made in Kansas City.  The exact same assembly line as the Saturn Aura, in fact they come off the assembly line in the order of Chevy then Saturn, then Chevy then Saturn, etc. etc.   Same damn car, except The Aura is winning awards and the Chevy is not?  Odd....  

The New Large SUV that GM is making?  Pontiac, Chevy, and Saturn all have that platform, same engines.  

But the Large SUV and the IMPALA and the Aura's are the only good cars that GM is putting out right now.  

Cobalt? crap.  Saturn ION? It's the same car as the Cobalt... what do you think... crap.   Vue's and whatever Chevy and Pontiac replaces their midsize SUV with next year?  Looks like it's going to be crap.  Minivan's that Chevy, Buick, Pontiac, and Saturn made for 2 years before they were discontinued?  crap.  

Ford does the same damn thing; everyone does. I'd go on, but you get the idea.  hell I doubt any of you are reading this any more.  

And by the way, I've seen just as many Honda's, which I believe is the best car on the road, not make it past 100k as I have GM's and Fords.  Everyday I see GM vehicles over 200,000 miles.   Hell, I saw a 91 Saturn SL1 with over 300,000 miles on it last month.  All original drivetrain.   Nothing but a few minor fixes and regular maintanence.   Know how the guy did it?  He took care of his car.  

That's what it's all about, right there.

[FBWillie]

Dealers are for suckers.

Craigslist!

You're more likely to get a piece of crap car from a private party than you are a reputable dealer.

[michigancat]

Dealers are for suckers.

Craigslist!

You're more likely to get a piece of crap car from a private party than you are a reputable dealer.

For a fraction of the cost?  Worth the risk.

[Saulbadguy]

You can get pretty close to the private party price if you are willing to walk. 

[jeffy]

The 1.9% rate is steep?  Wow. 

And I like new.  And because I can do it.   You want someone else sloppy seconds.. be my guest.

Even Better when you get 0% for 60 months with a free 5 year 60K Bumper to bumper warranty.

People that claim "buying new is stupid" are dumb because they don't know when to buy.

I got the warranty from Dodge for free 5 year 100K miles, and 7 years 100K for the Equinox.

The engine in the Durango threw a rod at 86K miles.   Paid $67.00 for a new engine.

You can't beat the deals of having a new car and getting amenities you wouldn't get with a used car.

Unless of course, you buy that crap the used car salesman tells you.

Japanese cars don't break.

Not entirely true.

Just mostly true.

And the ability to put 200,000 miles on a vehicle without much problem is a real nice perk.

If you're so "rich" mr. rod, just go in there with a handful of cash and bargain them down a hell of a lot more.

Cash is not king.  Car dealers actually make more money when you finance.  Walking in with a fist full of cash only makes them try and rip you off more. 

Whenever a car dearler is asking for cash down, it's either because you have horrible credit or because no bank in the world will loan you more than a car is worth i.e. you are paying too much for your car. 

In fact, the only person in the dealership that likes cash buyers is the car salesman because he gets paid the same regardless.... Only problem is that the salesman has almost nothing to do with how good of a deal you get; unless the sales manager has absolutetly no balls and he lets his staff walk all over him.

Just by playing the averages, I know that 99% of every one of you guys that says they know how to negotiate and know how to get a good deal on a car are completely full of crap. 

That's only because people are too intent on buying NOW.  Cash tells the dealer you are ready to spend and that you would be glad to spend it there, but can just as soon take it down the street to the next dealer.  If you've done your research, you know of several similar vehicles from different area dealers and you can play them against each other.

And don't ever tell them you are trading in an old vehicle until you have negotiated a price on the one you are purchasing.