KCMO'ers. Following the Funkhouser/Semler nonsense?

[michigancat]

AFAIK, this group includes piss and me now that ECN fled for the Northland.

WTF is up with our mayor?

[pissclams]

I think he's acting appropriately and that the the issue is a joke therefore I tend to ignore it.

[michigancat]

I think he's acting like an idiot.

[pissclams]

By not firing her for supporting the Minutemen?  She's on the &@#%ing Parks board not the Supreme Court.  It's the damn Parks board.

[pissclams]

By the way, use your best Inner Hawk voice when reading my last post please, TIA.

[michigancat]

By not firing her for supporting the Minutemen?  She's on the fracking Parks board not the Supreme Court.  It's the damn Parks board.

Still dumb.

[pissclams]

By not firing her for supporting the Minutemen?  She's on the fracking Parks board not the Supreme Court.  It's the damn Parks board.

Still dumb.

What's dumb?  Her support for the Minutemen? I don't care who she supports.  Funkhouser not firing her? Why should he?

[michigancat]

By not firing her for supporting the Minutemen?  She's on the fracking Parks board not the Supreme Court.  It's the damn Parks board.

Still dumb.

What's dumb?  Her support for the Minutemen? I don't care who she supports.  Funkhouser not firing her? Why should he?

Losing convention $$$

and because he looks like an idiot.

[pissclams]

By not firing her for supporting the Minutemen?  She's on the fracking Parks board not the Supreme Court.  It's the damn Parks board.

Still dumb.

What's dumb?  Her support for the Minutemen? I don't care who she supports.  Funkhouser not firing her? Why should he?

Losing convention $$$

and because he looks like an idiot.

agreed he looks weird.  i actually appreciate a mayor who can stand by how he believes and not allow the moral majority a platform to stand on which shouldn't be theirs in the first place.  screw the convention dollars, our city will be just fine.   GO CHIEFS!

[steve dave]

GO CHIEFS!

LOL

[michigancat]

Also, if it's just the &@#%ing park board, that's all the more reason to cut her loose when she offered to resign.  It's the damn Parks board.

But hey, he "made history" with his economic development policy! 

[pissclams]

Again, why should she resign or be fired?
Is the NAACP worried that her policies being put in place at parks all over KCMO will some how sacrifice the political, educational, social, and economic equality of rights of all persons going to the parks in KCMO?

[michigancat]

Her appointment offends a lot of people because they consider her organization racist...a KKK-lite if you will.

It might not offend you, but you're rich and white.  Not much should offend rich white people.

If she went all the way and just joined the KKK, would you still be cool with her?

[dr00d]

Her appointment offends a lot of people because they consider her organization racist...a KKNebraska if you will.

It might not offend you, but you're rich and white.  Not much should offend rich white people.

If she went all the way and just joined the KKK, would you still be cool with her?

Ok, I thought you just blew this whole conversation completely out of relevance.  Please do not use ridiculous arguments to support your opinion.

As for my thoughts--what do the minutemen support--  They are a group that doesn't like illegal immigration.  I have zero problem with this.  If you want to come in, you should do it in a legal fashion.

So who bitches about it? the Hispanic population.  Who is it that is wanting to hold out the conventions?  It's the Hispanic group, that wants to come to America. 

While I believe each group has a right to exist, I truly don't understand the issue with the Minutemen group.  Now, I will be the first to admit, I don't follow either group, nor do I know everything they do as a group.  The reference to the KKK is absolutely ridiculous.  Do you see these guys slaying innocent Hispanics and light fires to crosses in their yards? I doubt it, so let's just leave that argument outside of the thread and pretend you aren't stupid for bringing that up.

Secondly, I like that Funk is standing up for what he believes in...although in the end, he won't be the mayor in a couple of years.  I am very tired of the b.s. where if someone is offended, we can't do that anymore type of mentality.  People are going to be offended, so all you can do is do the best you can and move on.  If you don't like it, you don't have to sit around and take it.  Leave.

Thirdly, I do find myself smirking at the fact that the minutemen have offered to hold a convention of their own in KC to make up for the lost revenue of the Hispanic Convention.

For the record-no I don't live in KC, I'm in the northland w/ECN.  I'm just standing on the sidelines, watching this train wreck from a distance.

[michigancat]

Ok, I thought you just blew this whole conversation completely out of relevance.  Please do not use ridiculous arguments to support your opinion.

I actually called it "KKK-light", the dumbass filter changed it to "Nebraska".  The Minutemen are not nearly as bad as the KKK.

As for my thoughts--what do the minutemen support--  They are a group that doesn't like illegal immigration.  I have zero problem with this.  If you want to come in, you should do it in a legal fashion.

So who bitches about it? the Hispanic population.  Who is it that is wanting to hold out the conventions?  It's the Hispanic group, that wants to come to America. 

Wow, talk about over simplification.  The Minutemen sit at the Mexican border with guns and demand any Mexican they see to prove they're in the country legally.  If they can't do that, the vigilantes make the people they apprehend wait until they bring Border Patrol in.  They specifically target Mexicans and do it in questionable ways.

The NAACP and a black fraternity also find the Minutemen offensive and are planning on pulling their conventions.  And "Hispanic group, that wants to come to America"?  Is it possible to be more ignorant?

While I believe each group has a right to exist, I truly don't understand the issue with the Minutemen group.  Now, I will be the first to admit, I don't follow either group, nor do I know everything they do as a group.  The reference to the KKK is absolutely ridiculous.  Do you see these guys slaying innocent Hispanics and light fires to crosses in their yards? I doubt it, so let's just leave that argument outside of the thread and pretend you aren't stupid for bringing that up.

See above.  And I can understand why you wouldn't have an issue with the Minutemen...they aren't targeting people like you.

I am very tired of the b.s. where if someone is offended, we can't do that anymore type of mentality.  People are going to be offended, so all you can do is do the best you can and move on.  If you don't like it, you don't have to sit around and take it.  Leave.

Or, you can try to treat people with respect.

Thirdly, I do find myself smirking at the fact that the minutemen have offered to hold a convention of their own in KC to make up for the lost revenue of the Hispanic Convention.

LOL.  They're bringing like 300 people (compared to 9000+ for La Raza, 2000+ for Alpha Phi Alpha, 5000+ far the NAACP.)

[fatty fat fat]

any article so i can analyze? thx.

[michigancat]

http://www.topix.net/content/kri/2007/08/la-raza-threatens-to-cancel-convention-in-kc-cites-controversial-park-board-appointee

[pissclams]

Making sure I get this straight- to be offended by the actions of others you need to be the target of said other's actions.  Check.

[michigancat]

Making sure I get this straight- to be offended by the actions of others you need to be the target of said other's actions.  Check.

Um, I said that poorly.  I find the Minutemen offensive, myself.  My general point is that groups specifically targeted by organizations such as the Minutemen are generally more likely to be offended by them.

[pissclams]

Making sure I get this straight- to be offended by the actions of others you need to be the target of said other's actions.  Check.

Um, I said that poorly.  I find the Minutemen offensive, myself.  I can see why dr00d specifically isn't offended by them, though:  Ignorance+not being targeted.

Fair enough, I just think it's too bad that organizations as proud and large as both La Raza and the NAACP would ignore the positive relationships that both the mexican and african american communities have with our city by allowing an inconsequential park board's beliefs towards illegal immigration become bigger than anything else on the table. 
Her appointment to our parks board doesn't form our federal govt's immigration policy, she considers issues like off-leash dog areas and outdoor party permits.

When Semler's appointment first drew attention, Mayor Mark Funkhouser turned down her offer to resign. He then said he would continue to support her, even if it meant losing the two conventions and any other events.

"I am a member of the NAACP, and I've been a longtime supporter of civil rights and diversity," Funkhouser said in an e-mail to The Associated Press. The five-member parks board that includes Semler also has two black members and a Hispanic president.

The mayor has said he appointed Semler, a neighborhood leader, because he thought she "would work hard to make our parks a better place for children."

"I don't share Ms. Semler's views regarding diversity, but if I'm going to champion diversity, I've got to defend diversity of opinion and political thinking along with ethnicity," he said.

Semler has said she supports legal immigration, but wants to halt it until immigrants waiting to become American citizens are processed.

"I'm not a racist," she said. "Legal immigration is what makes this country great. If you feel like maybe you don't love this country enough, go talk to some immigrants."

 

[michigancat]

Making sure I get this straight- to be offended by the actions of others you need to be the target of said other's actions.  Check.

Um, I said that poorly.  I find the Minutemen offensive, myself.  I can see why dr00d specifically isn't offended by them, though:  Ignorance+not being targeted.

Fair enough, I just think it's too bad that organizations as proud and large as both La Raza and the NAACP would ignore the positive relationships that both the mexican and african american communities have with our city by allowing an inconsequential park board's beliefs towards illegal immigration become bigger than anything else on the table. 

I'm pretty sure they're doing it to appease local latinos who supported Funkhouser in the election and felt betrayed.  They were PISSED when this first came out.  Like I said, since it's such an inconsequential position, he should have accepted Mrs. Non-Racist's resignation when she offered it.  I'm sure there's thousands of people qualified.

Her appointment to our parks board doesn't form our federal govt's immigration policy, she considers issues like off-leash dog areas and outdoor party permits.

Tangent note to self:  DO NOT piss off rich, crazy, dog-loving housewives.

[dr00d]

Rusty--Have you ever been across the Canadian or Mexico Border?  What do you need to get back in to the U.S?  You basically have to give them your dna to test, just for a legal to get back in the states.  My mother didn't bring her birth certificate when they crossed the border...needless to say, they detained her for hours, it was ridiculous.  I can imagine if that is what whitey has to do just to get in the states that it's probably not a pretty sight for Hispanics either.

I never once said it was ok to sit on the border and pick off people.  Nor did I agree that it's great that the Minutemen are having a conference here, I said I smirked, because I think it is pretty funny.  I'm sorry if it offends you that I nearly laughed when I heard about that.

On the other hand, since when do you have a right to tell me about respecting others views when you drone on and on about how Modest Mouse sucks.   

[michigancat]

Rusty--Have you ever been across the Canadian or Mexico Border?  What do you need to get back in to the U.S?  You basically have to give them your dna to test, just for a legal to get back in the states.  My mother didn't bring her birth certificate when they crossed the border...needless to say, they detained her for hours, it was ridiculous.  I can imagine if that is what whitey has to do just to get in the states that it's probably not a pretty sight for Hispanics either.

Yeah, the Minutemen think this isn't enough, so they do their own patrols (often armed with weapons).  I'm guessing they won't ask whitey any questions.

On the other hand, since when do you have a right to tell me about respecting others views when you drone on and on about how Modest Mouse sucks.   

Ah, thanks for this trip down LOLy Lane.  Your were obviously deeply offended by my Modest Mouse take.

according to SPC, the sound check took a while because they had to "de-tune" their guitars....

and yes rusty...you suck at life.  The extended versions of Tiny cities made of Ashes and during the encore, Spitting Venom were amazing.

I'd like to hear some of your music, Rusty, since apparently you can make much better music.  I'd be truly interested to see how you get around the 'same progressions in every song' motif, that you complain about.  Start by making seven albums, then I'll listen to the last two and make my judgements solely on those albums.

LMK.

[Trim]

KCMO needs to get focused on important things like Hannah Montana tickets.

[dr00d]

Rusty--Have you ever been across the Canadian or Mexico Border?  What do you need to get back in to the U.S?  You basically have to give them your dna to test, just for a legal to get back in the states.  My mother didn't bring her birth certificate when they crossed the border...needless to say, they detained her for hours, it was ridiculous.  I can imagine if that is what whitey has to do just to get in the states that it's probably not a pretty sight for Hispanics either.

Yeah, the Minutemen think this isn't enough, so they do their own patrols (often armed with weapons).  I'm guessing they won't ask whitey any questions.

On the other hand, since when do you have a right to tell me about respecting others views when you drone on and on about how Modest Mouse sucks.   

Ah, thanks for this trip down LOLy Lane.  Your were obviously deeply offended by my Modest Mouse take.

according to SPC, the sound check took a while because they had to "de-tune" their guitars....

and yes rusty...you suck at life.  The extended versions of Tiny cities made of Ashes and during the encore, Spitting Venom were amazing.

I'd like to hear some of your music, Rusty, since apparently you can make much better music.  I'd be truly interested to see how you get around the 'same progressions in every song' motif, that you complain about.  Start by making seven albums, then I'll listen to the last two and make my judgements solely on those albums.

LMK.

So how exactly does that old quote have anything to do with the fact that you are a hypocrite?

[Dan Rydell]

  @ Funk.

  @ this thread.

[michigancat]

Dude, these Minutemen people are weird.

An All Too Common Occurrence
A Border Operations Report from Texas
April 20, 2007

On Tuesday, April 17th, a routine event took place on the border. The victim, statistics show, was young, female, and of Latin American descent. We do not know her name and never will. She suffered, most likely, in silence. If she is still alive, she will suffer for the rest of her life. Evidence of her humiliation and subjugation was left at the scene for all to see - her underclothes hanging from the branch of the tree under which the detestable crime was committed. "Rape Trees" are a visible reminder of the dangers of our unsecured borders.

Subsequently, when MCDC volunteers set up on Line 1 again the following day, they found the evidence. Although a violent, serious crime was committed, law enforcement are not on the case; and never will be. This act was a human tragedy that is all too common on the border.

A "coyote" (a smuggler paid thousands of dollars to transport his human cargo across the Rio Grande River) is likely responsible for the crime. Due to the nature of the "illegal business" he has adopted, he cares not one bit for the lives of those illegal aliens with which he contracts. To him, they are a paycheck - a very big paycheck. Every day that he engages in smuggling, he takes a chance of being arrested and sent to prison. Not in Mexico but here in the good old U.S. of A. Here, our prisons feed you, clothe you, and keep you entertained with TV and reading material. In Mexico, you have to pay for food and clothing. There is no TV, no library, no cafeteria, and no weight room.

The "coyote" committed a crime when he took advantage of a defenseless woman in his care. He raped the young woman and went away bragging about his machismo to his peers. He left his mark, the woman's bra, cut between the "cups", on the tree for all to see how big a man he is. He knows that he will get away with it, as he has done for years. Perhaps he has victimized hundreds. This is part of his culture and an accepted part of his business. Rape is a serious crime in our country but this human filth is not likely to suffer the consequences of his crime. No, he will continue to profit from his illegal business and continue to rape helpless women until our government secures our borders and put him, and his type, out of business!

The young woman now understands her position in our society. She now knows how worthless she and her fellow migrants have become, a commodity for big business and a victim of corrupt government.

Clark A. Kirby
Texas State Director

http://www.minutemanhq.com/hq/borderops_15.php

[pissclams]

The MM believe that the governments of the US and Mexico aren't doing enough to protect our border and the people on both sides of it.  They feel like if the Mexican govenment cared more about its people it would do more to protect them, and to curtail the reasons why so many feel the need to illegally leave their own country and risk so much to come here.

I'm not getting why that makes them weird. 

[mjrod]

Rusty doesn't understand what he read.

[michigancat]

The MM believe that the governments of the US and Mexico aren't doing enough to protect our border and the people on both sides of it.  They feel like if the Mexican govenment cared more about its people it would do more to protect them, and to curtail the reasons why so many feel the need to illegally leave their own country and risk so much to come here.

I'm not getting why that makes them weird. 

Instead of changing things through legislation, awareness, education, etc., they decide to play border patrol.

Here's a good article:

http://www.kansascity.com/news/politics/story/287065.html

Compare them to a group like MADD, who is concerned with drunk driving.  You don't see them setting up their personal DUI checkpoints.  You don't see them belittling and mocking drunk drivers on their website.  If they did those things, that would make them pretty weird, too.

Rusty doesn't understand what he read.

No, I do.  They could have gotten their point across without saying "The young woman now understands her position in our society", though.