Since I have a kid that had been going through the recruiting process (one with football) I think I can speak a little bit on the process and know what's happening. It was nice of you to demonstrate an ignorant position by trying to assume what I might be in relation to the Browns.
What assumption did I make about your relation to the Browns?
Where did you pull that from? Desperation?
Perhaps you forgot you wrote this part...
Frankly I think Brown and his parents are most likely intelligent and rational people, more so than you on this issue,
You're speaking for the Browns when you really shouldn't. I'm telling you that I've been involved, directly, with the process, something I'm sure you can never claim. Perhaps it's best if you try not to speak for the Browns and make assumptions about their positions, views, or actions.. but you don't..
I don't know nor will I speak for the Browns and haven't. It's irrelevant.
Irrelevant? Excuse me, but what world class moron uttered the following?
So my question to you is, do you agree with this practice of coaches taking this kind of activity to determine where he thinks a recruit should go without oversight?
It's been pointed out that the NCAA and Brown's parents provide oversight. After that gets pointed out to you, your own question becomes irrelevant. Hilarious stuff!
You brought the Browns into this, I didn't. You really are trying to speak for them and their views. I find it odd that you would speak for them and their views and introduce them into this when I'm not. It hurts you in this discussion.
No one has shown that the NCAA has oversight, all we know is that Butler and his organization are certified to run NCAA events and I'm sure there are rules about running the events and getting recertified. As far as his involvement with recruits as a proxy agent, there doesn't seem to be any, at least no one has shown any of them. My concern has to deal with the fact that HS coaches are governed by a set of rules, an organization such as Butler's isn't, unless you're saying NCAA certifications are the same as oversight rules.
In any event, the point, douchebag, is that this is yet, another way for abuse to creep into the recruiting process and Rusty has validated what I said could happen. I never suggested that Butler was doing anything wrong or illegal. I merely have stated that it's a concern and it's valid. You are trying to show there is no reason for concern, and have said "Well the Brown family is doing it so it must be OK." Pretty lame, if not irresponsible position. For all we know, the Browns don't care. I have not seen anything from the Browns regarding their arrangement and regardless, it doesn't really matter to the concerns that have been raised.
As usual, you're trying desperately to make a situation that has some similarity but is not in the same context as what we're dealing with here. Again, I know that Scobey's situation happens in the JC ranks, but what is not shown is the full policy of the coach, one that deals specifically with Josh Scobey. I would say that you're reading way too much into a single statement and choosing not to take the intelligent approach of "OK, what is the full policy." Is that the same answer if Josh said "You know what? I don't want to go to KSU."
Since that scenario is never brought up, then to assume that he COULDN'T it could also mean that if the player is placed there and still WANTS to go to KSU, then it's probably something the Coach is doing for the sake of the player. If Josh changed his mind, would the policy change? I think the answer is probably pretty reasonable and certainly would support my view point that a recruit be allowed to have interaction with other recruiters. Since it's not really possible for you to verify the complete policy of the coach, the exceptions (which I'm sure there are) then I'll let you hold your position of being completely ignorant on the recruiting process.
LMAO. Clearly you didn't read the comments from Coach Patterson. He bluntly stated that if a player is placed, other schools can't talk to them, period. Nothing about seeing if the player changed his mind, just that if they're placed, he screens. Makes sense to, as it will guarantee future high quality placements...and NEO kicked major butt under Patterson.
Coach Patterson on mj's exceptions "which I'm sure there are":
"He was placed in here by them, so there's no committing there (to other schools)," Patterson said. "I don't let (other recruiters) come in when they're placed, and he's placed."
So that whole diatribe you just regurgitated you can swallow right back down. It's irrelevant.
LOL. I am amazed at how pathetic you are and what attempts you'll go through to demonstrate your stupidity. You're now speaking for Coach Patterson and assuming that what he's saying is a direct contravention of my statement. You're wrong. Pathetically wrong.
His quote gives nothing that shows it's an all encompassing policy. If you claim to be a reasonable and intelligent person (something you should never do by the way) you'd find out real quick about what the quote says. The writer said that Scobey wants to go to KSU. The reporter also wrote about possible recruitment from other sources, to which Patterson made the comment about placement. Does that mean that Josh Scobey WANTED to be recruited by others or not? Does that mean that Josh COULDN'T EVER be recruited by others? What if Josh changed his mind? We just fall back on the quote of the Coach? Are you seriously that stupid?
It doesn't contradict my claims whatsoever because the writer didn't give much explanation and seemed to imply something that may not be true (if I remember correctly, JMART had small writeup before that people had a lot of questions of, and many people miscontrued what JMART had printed) which you would do to hold onto a weak position and not be able to defend it. Since we don't know the exact question or context, we cannot assume that Coach Patterson's comments were all encompassing and you cannot speak for Coach Patterson as to the actual questions involved. Again, you're making throwing your position into question.
So in summary, you're alarmed at the potential for abuse - but there's no evidence of any.
I am not alarmed. I never claimed there was any abuse anywhere. You're trying to assert something I never said.
You're concerned about oversight, but the NCAA and parents are irrelevant.
Yes, it's a legitimate concern. You never showed the NCAA had direct oversight of this, and the Brown's oversight is irrelevant as I'm not focusing specifically on them.
When a coach does exactly what you claim is the potential for abuse, you assume there are mitigating circumstances.
LOL. You're just showing how stupid you are in a reasoned debate.
At the end of this, you've been so turned around (or is it bent over?) that you don't have a single consistent thought that hasn't been fully refuted.
Actually, you haven't refuted anything other than bring irrelevant or issues into the discussion and none of them have any bearing on my central theme regarding potential abuse of having a proxy agent for recruits which Rusty has already acquiesced to. It would behoove you to not fall into the trap of trying to push the argument into irrelevant issues because in the end, it just makes you irrelevant.
