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September 18, 2007, 04:21:07 PM
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I hope this turns into a Brian Butler vs. J-mart vs. Ron Prince thread.  We haven't had one of those in about 2 months. 

JF's stats are getting better. Wonder if he will get on the + side of the TD to INT stat after the Texas game?


September 18, 2007, 04:23:08 PM
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One of us needs to turn into the Brian Butler of Manhattan/Topeka/Lawrence.

September 18, 2007, 04:25:03 PM
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Salina needs a Brian Butler.

Olathe could stand to have a mini-Butler.
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September 18, 2007, 04:36:09 PM
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Brian Butler is viewed more on this board as an excuse than he's recognized as a man.  Some of you really need to adjust the level of retard juice you're drinking. 


Cheesy Mustache QB might make an appearance.

New warning: Don't get in a fight with someone who doesn't even need to bother to buy ink.

September 18, 2007, 04:38:22 PM
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"He's receiving mail because coaches recognize Butler as an important figure in their recruitment.  I'm sure the Brown's receive plenty of mail at their house, too.  Colleges send mail directly to high schools...how is sending mail to Potential Players any different?

You are calling me out for MY speculation?   Butler obviously is an important figure here...it seems he has made himself one rather the the Brown's have made him one (JMO).  Therein is my lack of trust.  If coaches want to send him mail, addressed to him...fine.    He's not just receiving mail....he's receiving the Browns mail.  What he is doing with that mail is, yes, speculation.  Just as is the Brown's receive a lot of mail addressed to them that Butler never sees.  Can anyone tell me that is the case? If it is, I am fine with the situation you speculate on Rusty.  Something tells me that's not the case though...and thus my concerns.

Let's continue to find ways to explain this all away though...and empower people other than the recruit and family to make these decisions and have all the information.

I know, I know.  He just wants to help *the children*.  I see more of a push here than that.  


September 18, 2007, 04:48:14 PM
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"He's receiving mail because coaches recognize Butler as an important figure in their recruitment.  I'm sure the Brown's receive plenty of mail at their house, too.  Colleges send mail directly to high schools...how is sending mail to Potential Players any different?

You are calling me out for MY speculation?   Butler obviously is an important figure here...it seems he has made himself one rather the the Brown's have made him one (JMO).  Therein is my lack of trust.  If coaches want to send him mail, addressed to him...fine.    He's not just receiving mail....he's receiving the Browns mail.  What he is doing with that mail is, yes, speculation.  Just as is the Brown's receive a lot of mail addressed to them that Butler never sees.  Can anyone tell me that is the case? If it is, I am fine with the situation you speculate on Rusty.  Something tells me that's not the case though...and thus my concerns.

Let's continue to find ways to explain this all away though...and empower people other than the recruit and family to make these decisions and have all the information.

I know, I know.  He just wants to help *the children*.  I see more of a push here than that.   



We're just going in circles here. 

Even if Butler doesn't give Brown all his mail, makes himself an important part of Brown's recruitment rather than Brown making Butler an important part, isn't really in it to help the children, whatever....a good relationship with Butler is a positive for KSU football.

That's all I'm saying.  I don't care about the other stuff.

September 18, 2007, 04:59:07 PM
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"He's receiving mail because coaches recognize Butler as an important figure in their recruitment.  I'm sure the Brown's receive plenty of mail at their house, too.  Colleges send mail directly to high schools...how is sending mail to Potential Players any different?

You are calling me out for MY speculation?   Butler obviously is an important figure here...it seems he has made himself one rather the the Brown's have made him one (JMO).  Therein is my lack of trust.  If coaches want to send him mail, addressed to him...fine.    He's not just receiving mail....he's receiving the Browns mail.  What he is doing with that mail is, yes, speculation.  Just as is the Brown's receive a lot of mail addressed to them that Butler never sees.  Can anyone tell me that is the case? If it is, I am fine with the situation you speculate on Rusty.  Something tells me that's not the case though...and thus my concerns.

Let's continue to find ways to explain this all away though...and empower people other than the recruit and family to make these decisions and have all the information.

I know, I know.  He just wants to help *the children*.  I see more of a push here than that.   



We're just going in circles here. 

Even if Butler doesn't give Brown all his mail, makes himself an important part of Brown's recruitment rather than Brown making Butler an important part, isn't really in it to help the children, whatever....a good relationship with Butler is a positive for KSU football.

That's all I'm saying.  I don't care about the other stuff.

Do you not find something inherently wrong with a third party speaking for someone's kid and his interests in the way Butler is doing it?

I'm all for K-State having good relations with coaches of kids we're going after.  I think it's a great thing for a coach to be involved in the decision process for one of his players.  It's expected and certainly is good for everyone concerned.

When a coach is receiving mail for a kid and he becomes the custodian of that mail, it is an implied conflict of interest.   The coach then becomes a power player he has no business in becoming.   He should be nothing more than an advisor at best for a kid.    the mail may just be one more thing, but if Butler is steering the recruitment, acting as a clearinghouse, then it's wrong.


September 18, 2007, 05:00:23 PM
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September 18, 2007, 05:06:28 PM
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Do you not find something inherently wrong with a third party speaking for someone's kid and his interests in the way Butler is doing it?

Not really.  Other than the KSU doesn't recruit Kansas comments, everything he's said has been pretty much irrelevant.

I'm all for K-State having good relations with coaches of kids we're going after.  I think it's a great thing for a coach to be involved in the decision process for one of his players.  It's expected and certainly is good for everyone concerned.

When a coach is receiving mail for a kid and he becomes the custodian of that mail, it is an implied conflict of interest.   The coach then becomes a power player he has no business in becoming.   He should be nothing more than an advisor at best for a kid.    the mail may just be one more thing, but if Butler is steering the recruitment, acting as a clearinghouse, then it's wrong.

OK.

1)  As Fausto and I have already established, what happens to the Browns' mail is pure speculation.

2)  Even if Butler is censoring mail, steering the recruitment, acting as a clearinghouse, etc., that just makes him a stronger ally than a simple contact to the children.  I'd be thrilled if Curtis Malone was filtering Wally Judge's mail, because I know Dalonte Hill has a strong relationship with Malone.  The same would apply to Butler/Brown/Prince.

September 18, 2007, 06:15:15 PM
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Do you not find something inherently wrong with a third party speaking for someone's kid and his interests in the way Butler is doing it?

Not really.  Other than the KSU doesn't recruit Kansas comments, everything he's said has been pretty much irrelevant.

I'm all for K-State having good relations with coaches of kids we're going after.  I think it's a great thing for a coach to be involved in the decision process for one of his players.  It's expected and certainly is good for everyone concerned.

When a coach is receiving mail for a kid and he becomes the custodian of that mail, it is an implied conflict of interest.   The coach then becomes a power player he has no business in becoming.   He should be nothing more than an advisor at best for a kid.    the mail may just be one more thing, but if Butler is steering the recruitment, acting as a clearinghouse, then it's wrong.

OK.

1)  As Fausto and I have already established, what happens to the Browns' mail is pure speculation.

2)  Even if Butler is censoring mail, steering the recruitment, acting as a clearinghouse, etc., that just makes him a stronger ally than a simple contact to the children.  I'd be thrilled if Curtis Malone was filtering Wally Judge's mail, because I know Dalonte Hill has a strong relationship with Malone.  The same would apply to Butler/Brown/Prince.

Interesting response, if not completely unresponsive or irresponsible.

As a parent, I would have a serious problem with a coach acting as an agent for my kids interest other than an advisory role.  Getting mail from ANYONE with my kids name "in care of" someone else indicates that Butler is assuming a role he shouldn't be part of.   You can hide behind the "it's all speculation and so we should look the other way" if you choose, but as a parent, I wouldn't, and would make it clear to Butler that such activities are not his to worry about.   He wants to be a coach, fine.  He wants to be an advisor, fine.  I don't need him to get mail for my kids through a third party organization.  I think there are rules about that in the NCAA for someone acting as a proxy.

September 18, 2007, 06:36:17 PM
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September 18, 2007, 07:06:21 PM
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Seriously, one does have to wonder...

what's the guy's credentials?




He wants to "help the children."  Didn't you get the memo?

September 18, 2007, 08:28:02 PM
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As a parent, I would have a serious problem with a coach acting as an agent for my kids interest other than an advisory role.  Getting mail from ANYONE with my kids name "in care of" someone else indicates that Butler is assuming a role he shouldn't be part of.   You can hide behind the "it's all speculation and so we should look the other way" if you choose, but as a parent, I wouldn't, and would make it clear to Butler that such activities are not his to worry about.   He wants to be a coach, fine.  He wants to be an advisor, fine.  I don't need him to get mail for my kids through a third party organization.  I think there are rules about that in the NCAA for someone acting as a proxy.


High school coaches have been doing everything you described for years.

Are you saying that sending your kid to play high school football is irresponsible?

September 18, 2007, 08:32:50 PM
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As a parent, I would have a serious problem with a coach acting as an agent for my kids interest other than an advisory role.  Getting mail from ANYONE with my kids name "in care of" someone else indicates that Butler is assuming a role he shouldn't be part of.   You can hide behind the "it's all speculation and so we should look the other way" if you choose, but as a parent, I wouldn't, and would make it clear to Butler that such activities are not his to worry about.   He wants to be a coach, fine.  He wants to be an advisor, fine.  I don't need him to get mail for my kids through a third party organization.  I think there are rules about that in the NCAA for someone acting as a proxy.


High school coaches have been doing everything you described for years.

Are you saying that sending your kid to play high school football is irresponsible?

Really?  They set up websites as a means to market their skills in player development and take kids mail for them?

How many more site are out there?

I know of schools getting kids mailed because recruiting coaches will mail it when they don't have the kids personal information.    There is nothing wrong with that.   In my experience, the coach gives the mail to the kid, usually, unopened.


September 18, 2007, 08:37:50 PM
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I've received recruiting letters... they were to community colleges  :'(

September 18, 2007, 08:39:30 PM
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Really?  They set up websites as a means to market their skills in player development and take kids mail for them?

Yes, they receive mail all the time, and I don't see why you'd have a problem with the website.

I know of schools getting kids mailed because recruiting coaches will mail it when they don't have the kids personal information.    There is nothing wrong with that.   In my experience, the coach gives the mail to the kid, usually, unopened.

Neat story.  How is this different from what Butler does again?

September 18, 2007, 08:40:46 PM
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Junior College coaches certainly do screen recruiters for players that were placed at their school. 

Very different situation from HS though.
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September 18, 2007, 08:47:11 PM
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He's opening more doors for kids in the middle of ks that would have been overlooked otherwise.  I can't hate him.

September 18, 2007, 09:12:35 PM
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Really?  They set up websites as a means to market their skills in player development and take kids mail for them?

Yes, they receive mail all the time, and I don't see why you'd have a problem with the website.

I know of schools getting kids mailed because recruiting coaches will mail it when they don't have the kids personal information.    There is nothing wrong with that.   In my experience, the coach gives the mail to the kid, usually, unopened.

Neat story.  How is this different from what Butler does again?

If you don't see a problem with it, then I guess there isn't a problem because you won't question the obvious implication.

It's like this.  If I'm a recruit, I'm allowing my coach to be more than just an advisor.  I'm giving him the ability to influence my decision that he really shouldn't have.   In turn, that gives him the power to make contacts and possibly deals that are outside the scope of his responsibility.   As a parent, that's not what I would want for my kid.  May you would with your kids.

Let's say that he works a deal with a recruiter from LSU.   Nice guys, go out to bars, provide some "incentive" to influence a recruit.  Don't think it can happen if the coach or 3rd party mail address doesn't provide offers?   Your coach can become a defacto agent.  In other words, if KSU has to kiss ass in order to see a premiere recruit to a coach, do you not see what the potential for conflict would be?  If that coach likes the recruiter, then more than likely, the coach can influence things such as visits, communications, etc.   He can become a front.  I'm not saying that Butler is doing any of those things, but it raises fundamental questions, that may violate NCAA regulations, which would impact the recruit.

While such things may exist, that doesn't make it right, and I think a lot of people who want integrity in the program want to ensure that nothing like that happens.   That being said, if the parents are OK with it, and the school doesn't mind, then fine.  Does that make it right to do?  I think KSU should keep good relations with Butler, but if that's what's required to get recruit visits, to get access to the top recruits, then that's a problem.  The recruit should be able to make a choice based on the decisions of everyone, including a coach who does not influence from a school.

You would agree that kids should be able to get visits from ANY coach showing interest regardless of what the coach thinks of the recruiter, right?

September 18, 2007, 09:26:16 PM
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As for the possibility Scobey may be looking at other four-year schools, NEO coach Dale Patterson sounded as if his star back was destined for K-State as part of its 2000 recruiting class.

"He was placed in here by them, so there's no committing there (to other schools)," Patterson said. "I don't let (other recruiters) come in when they're placed, and he's placed."

Coach Patterson certainly had a conflict of interests when he interceded on Scobey's behalf.
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September 18, 2007, 09:53:04 PM
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As for the possibility Scobey may be looking at other four-year schools, NEO coach Dale Patterson sounded as if his star back was destined for K-State as part of its 2000 recruiting class.

"He was placed in here by them, so there's no committing there (to other schools)," Patterson said. "I don't let (other recruiters) come in when they're placed, and he's placed."

Coach Patterson certainly had a conflict of interests when he interceded on Scobey's behalf.

I'm not furious over any of it.  I'm merely demonstrating the potential for abuse and the apparent "Well it may benefit us so we can overlook it for now".

September 18, 2007, 09:58:20 PM
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So you overlooked it for Scobey?

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The recruit should be able to make a choice based on the decisions of everyone, including a coach who does not influence from a school.

You're feigning all this outrage over the possibility of abuse in the Butler situation, but nothing from you on what went down with Scobey?

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KSU's Moral Authority - mjrod

You would agree that kids should be able to get visits from ANY coach showing interest regardless of what the coach thinks of the recruiter, right?

Coach Snyder asked Josh Scobey to go to a CC coach who says a definitive "NO!" to your question.
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September 18, 2007, 10:09:14 PM
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Let's say that he works a deal with a recruiter from LSU.   Nice guys, go out to bars, provide some "incentive" to influence a recruit.  Don't think it can happen if the coach or 3rd party mail address doesn't provide offers?   Your coach can become a defacto agent.  In other words, if KSU has to kiss ass in order to see a premiere recruit to a coach, do you not see what the potential for conflict would be?  If that coach likes the recruiter, then more than likely, the coach can influence things such as visits, communications, etc.   He can become a front.  I'm not saying that Butler is doing any of those things, but it raises fundamental questions, that may violate NCAA regulations, which would impact the recruit.

While such things may exist, that doesn't make it right, and I think a lot of people who want integrity in the program want to ensure that nothing like that happens.   That being said, if the parents are OK with it, and the school doesn't mind, then fine.  Does that make it right to do?  I think KSU should keep good relations with Butler, but if that's what's required to get recruit visits, to get access to the top recruits, then that's a problem.  The recruit should be able to make a choice based on the decisions of everyone, including a coach who does not influence from a school.

Is this really that much different from hiring the coach (or in some cases, truck-driver) in order to get a recruit?  If a recruit more or less makes it known that they'll follow the coach wherever he goes, then it's pretty much the same scenario -- while the recruit isn't getting paid to play, the coach can go wherever he gets the best offer and completely steer the recruit there.

Our basketball program's success next year in part depends on this practice.

September 18, 2007, 10:19:49 PM
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So you overlooked it for Scobey?

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KSU's Moral Authority - mjrod

The recruit should be able to make a choice based on the decisions of everyone, including a coach who does not influence from a school.

You're feigning all this outrage over the possibility of abuse in the Butler situation, but nothing from you on what went down with Scobey?

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You would agree that kids should be able to get visits from ANY coach showing interest regardless of what the coach thinks of the recruiter, right?

Coach Snyder asked Josh Scobey to go to a CC coach who says a definitive "NO!" to your question.

LOL!

I'm not feigning anything. I'm merely trying to point out the potential issue of abuse, of high school recruits for which you don't seem to be addressing.  You'd rather look of for inconsistencies in what I'm saying with past examples that aren't exactly the same in nature.

With the issue of Patterson, Scobey did commit to KSU and I'm OK with a JUCO coach having a policy with placed players, assuming of course, there are exceptions which is not covered in the article.

So my question to you is, do you agree with this practice of coaches taking this kind of activity to determine where he thinks a recruit should go without oversight?

September 18, 2007, 10:23:35 PM
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Let's say that he works a deal with a recruiter from LSU.   Nice guys, go out to bars, provide some "incentive" to influence a recruit.  Don't think it can happen if the coach or 3rd party mail address doesn't provide offers?   Your coach can become a defacto agent.  In other words, if KSU has to kiss ass in order to see a premiere recruit to a coach, do you not see what the potential for conflict would be?  If that coach likes the recruiter, then more than likely, the coach can influence things such as visits, communications, etc.   He can become a front.  I'm not saying that Butler is doing any of those things, but it raises fundamental questions, that may violate NCAA regulations, which would impact the recruit.

While such things may exist, that doesn't make it right, and I think a lot of people who want integrity in the program want to ensure that nothing like that happens.   That being said, if the parents are OK with it, and the school doesn't mind, then fine.  Does that make it right to do?  I think KSU should keep good relations with Butler, but if that's what's required to get recruit visits, to get access to the top recruits, then that's a problem.  The recruit should be able to make a choice based on the decisions of everyone, including a coach who does not influence from a school.

Is this really that much different from hiring the coach (or in some cases, truck-driver) in order to get a recruit?  If a recruit more or less makes it known that they'll follow the coach wherever he goes, then it's pretty much the same scenario -- while the recruit isn't getting paid to play, the coach can go wherever he gets the best offer and completely steer the recruit there.

Our basketball program's success next year in part depends on this practice.

It's one of those things where the player goes where the coach does, as opposed to a high school coach telling you where you will go.   I think there is a genuine distinction.

And in this distinction, as I said before, if everyone is OK with it, I don't have a problem with it.. unless the practice is abused to the detriment of the recruit and the integrity of the recruiting process.

September 18, 2007, 11:13:53 PM
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Really?  They set up websites as a means to market their skills in player development and take kids mail for them?

Yes, they receive mail all the time, and I don't see why you'd have a problem with the website.

I know of schools getting kids mailed because recruiting coaches will mail it when they don't have the kids personal information.    There is nothing wrong with that.   In my experience, the coach gives the mail to the kid, usually, unopened.

Neat story.  How is this different from what Butler does again?

If you don't see a problem with it, then I guess there isn't a problem because you won't question the obvious implication.

It's like this.  If I'm a recruit, I'm allowing my coach to be more than just an advisor.  I'm giving him the ability to influence my decision that he really shouldn't have.   In turn, that gives him the power to make contacts and possibly deals that are outside the scope of his responsibility.   As a parent, that's not what I would want for my kid.  May you would with your kids.

Let's say that he works a deal with a recruiter from LSU.   Nice guys, go out to bars, provide some "incentive" to influence a recruit.  Don't think it can happen if the coach or 3rd party mail address doesn't provide offers?   Your coach can become a defacto agent.  In other words, if KSU has to kiss ass in order to see a premiere recruit to a coach, do you not see what the potential for conflict would be?  If that coach likes the recruiter, then more than likely, the coach can influence things such as visits, communications, etc.   He can become a front.  I'm not saying that Butler is doing any of those things, but it raises fundamental questions, that may violate NCAA regulations, which would impact the recruit.

While such things may exist, that doesn't make it right, and I think a lot of people who want integrity in the program want to ensure that nothing like that happens.   That being said, if the parents are OK with it, and the school doesn't mind, then fine.  Does that make it right to do?  I think KSU should keep good relations with Butler, but if that's what's required to get recruit visits, to get access to the top recruits, then that's a problem.  The recruit should be able to make a choice based on the decisions of everyone, including a coach who does not influence from a school.

You would agree that kids should be able to get visits from ANY coach showing interest regardless of what the coach thinks of the recruiter, right?


JFC, that's a sh*tload of speculation.  Saying BB is honestly doing what he does just to help kids is just as plausible (maybe more so).

And in this distinction, as I said before, if everyone is OK with it, I don't have a problem with it.. unless the practice is abused to the detriment of the recruit and the integrity of the recruiting process.

When has the recruiting process EVER had integrity?

Finally, despite all your hypothetical rambling, you failed to either:

1)  Distinguish what Brian Butler is doing from what high school coaches have been doing for years (other than having a website promoting his services).

2) Explain why Butler's involvement with current and future recruits doesn't help KSU, other than the fact that Butler COULD do things that COULD be considered to lack integrity (which every high school coach can do also).

September 18, 2007, 11:26:08 PM
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Distinguish what Brian Butler is doing from what high school coaches have been doing for years (other than having a website promoting his services).

Butler's autonomy conveniently spares him any of that tiresome accountability nonsense.  Danger lies ahead.

I personally don't care one way or the other about this whole scenario, because recruiting gossip is for wankers.  That said, whenever someone starts invoking God or religion as their motivation or justification for anything, they draw my immediate skepticism.

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September 19, 2007, 06:26:41 AM
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LOL!

I'm not feigning anything. I'm merely trying to point out the potential issue of abuse, of high school recruits for which you don't seem to be addressing.  You'd rather look of for inconsistencies in what I'm saying with past examples that aren't exactly the same in nature.

With the issue of Patterson, Scobey did commit to KSU and I'm OK with a JUCO coach having a policy with placed players, assuming of course, there are exceptions which is not covered in the article.

So my question to you is, do you agree with this practice of coaches taking this kind of activity to determine where he thinks a recruit should go without oversight?

Let me address your little question first.

There should definitely be oversight, and that's the role of Brown's parents.  I've seen nothing that suggests Brown's participation with Butler is against their will, or that they have disapproved of anything Butler has done.  Frankly I think Brown and his parents are most likely intelligent and rational people, more so than you on this issue, and are fully aware and accepting of the going ons. 

Do you think Brown's parents are providing any oversight here, or do you think they're just throwing their kid(s) out the door?

While you're pointing out the "potential" for abuse, I pointed out a clear cut case of your abuse.  A coach that interceded to screen recruiters when the direct beneficiary of that action was the coach and not the player.  You're OK with it if it is a JC player but not a HS player.  Scobey had expressed very significant interest in OU and OSU prior to committing to KSU in HS, and at least OU had a coaching change while he was in JC  (a world class upgrade at that).  But Patterson wasn't letting anyone else talk to Scobey - by his own admission.

That's not me looking for inconsistencies in your position, it's a glaring contradiction in your position.  You're "committed" excuse is pure bunk, and you know it.  There was nothing binding at all in that commitment when Patterson was screening on his and KSU's behalf. 

You've created your abuse strawman and railed against it, but only apply it to HS players.  There's no consistency in your stance on "abuse" and it's just another case of you being ridiculous.


Butler's autonomy conveniently spares him any of that tiresome accountability nonsense.  Danger lies ahead.

 

kono - Butler's autonomy is also his weakness.  He doesn't have a position of power over the player that a HS coach could have unless the player chooses to join his little program.  That is a major difference.  And if Butler does abuse his position, word is going to spread rather quickly, and his little enterprise will go away like a fart in a tornado.  What do you think happens if the Browns bad mouth Butler after this deal is done?  Butler is out of business.  A HS coach would still get a whole new class of kids.  Butler has quite a bit more incentive to make sure the Brown's are successful in college than a HS coach does. 

What I think is driving all this is the knowledge that, deep down, if the Brown's want to play for a team that will surround them with elite talent, putting them in the best position to excel, get NFL attention, win a NC, etc. the answer likely isn't KSU.  We don't offer those things to the same extent as the other schools on his list.

KSU offers the chance to be the start of something, rather than just a cog in the wheel.  Maybe that's what Brown will choose to do.
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September 19, 2007, 06:47:20 AM
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In addition to what KSU4ME already said:

Butler would not be able to run his Nike camps in the future if he ran into NCAA troubles, which would ruin his organization.
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September 19, 2007, 06:54:58 AM
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In addition to what KSU4ME already said:

Butler would not be able to run his Nike camps in the future if he ran into NCAA troubles, which would ruin his organization.

His organization isn't that important to him, it's getting this round of stars recruited and getting credentials.  After that his organization can crumble and he wouldn't care, IMO.


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