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September 16, 2007, 09:20:54 PM
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RP actually opens the play book a bit? I would say 10 of Jordy's 15 catches were on pretty much the exact same route. Its either a drag or an out. They havent run many different pass plays or run plays for that matter.

Will it create tons of confusion running more plays that they havent ran as much or will it make the offense even more dangerous?
I'm calling for an out and up vs UT first play of the game for Jordy. They're gonna be ready to jump that route big time.
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September 16, 2007, 09:34:39 PM
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RP won't run anything we're not ready to run.  He wants to diversify the offense, but not at the risk of peeing down our leg at Tejas.  From listening to a few sound bites here and there, I'm getting the idea that he's showed what he's wanted to, and withheld what he's wanted to.  Who knows if it'll work, but I'm anxious to see the kind of game plan we have cooked up for the Steaks...Oops, I meant "longhorns."
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September 16, 2007, 09:41:07 PM
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I think we haven't done too much with the TE's and we really haven't done much in the way of counters/traps.  I'm sure we do have some formations/sets that we haven't shown, but for Christ sakes, how many trick plays, reverses have we run?  We haven't exactly played it close to the vest. 

September 16, 2007, 09:43:32 PM
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I think we haven't done too much with the TE's and we really haven't done much in the way of counters/traps.  I'm sure we do have some formations/sets that we haven't shown, but for Christ sakes, how many trick plays, reverses have we run?  We haven't exactly played it close to the vest. 
Those trick plays could set up some bigger things. It's not much of a trick play when you run it about once a game. It's fairly routine now.

September 16, 2007, 10:16:22 PM
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I think we haven't done too much with the TE's and we really haven't done much in the way of counters/traps.  I'm sure we do have some formations/sets that we haven't shown, but for Christ sakes, how many trick plays, reverses have we run?  We haven't exactly played it close to the vest. 
Those trick plays could set up some bigger things. It's not much of a trick play when you run it about once a game. It's fairly routine now.

Our trick plays have gone from bold and daring, to boring and repetative.  Not that I am complaining, just agreeing, that they aren't really trick anymore.

September 16, 2007, 10:19:01 PM
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I think the fact that we're willing to let Jordy air it out to a RB/WR ...on a reverse can be used as a diversion on a fake reverse which we haven't seen yet.

Deon on the end around is a good play call...but for the most part, we should continue with the shotgun adn let Freeman find Jordy, Deon, or Mastrud on underneath patterns.
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September 16, 2007, 10:21:10 PM
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Double reverse pass to Freeman.

September 16, 2007, 10:27:08 PM
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I think we haven't done too much with the TE's and we really haven't done much in the way of counters/traps.  I'm sure we do have some formations/sets that we haven't shown, but for Christ sakes, how many trick plays, reverses have we run?  We haven't exactly played it close to the vest. 
Those trick plays could set up some bigger things. It's not much of a trick play when you run it about once a game. It's fairly routine now.

Our trick plays have gone from bold and daring, to boring and repetative.  Not that I am complaining, just agreeing, that they aren't really trick anymore.
Yeah...and I'm saying that this could be a good thing. It opens up a whole new offensive set of plays and is another way to keep defenses on their toes. If we're burning a team with this once every one or two games then it will definitely work to our advantage.

September 16, 2007, 10:28:45 PM
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I think we haven't done too much with the TE's and we really haven't done much in the way of counters/traps.  I'm sure we do have some formations/sets that we haven't shown, but for Christ sakes, how many trick plays, reverses have we run?  We haven't exactly played it close to the vest. 
Those trick plays could set up some bigger things. It's not much of a trick play when you run it about once a game. It's fairly routine now.

Our trick plays have gone from bold and daring, to boring and repetative.  Not that I am complaining, just agreeing, that they aren't really trick anymore.

What it does do though, is make opposing defenses gameplan for your entire playbook, not just your basic offensive set. It gets inside those defenders heads too. :D

September 16, 2007, 10:32:55 PM
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I love all the "trick plays" RP runs. They work most of the time and serve a purpose down the road.
With tejas especially, because on every toss sweep or lateral passes to WR, they're goin to think its a trick play. It can only be good for the offense.
Remember when stoops was bringin back OU to relevance and he was pretty well known for his trick plays. He always called them at the perfect time and they executed and won even with lesser talent (the early early years). Please RP follow the same path as stoops.  :hope: :ksu:

September 16, 2007, 10:34:42 PM
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Timing is everything. I still think we have a bunch of screen plays that haven't had a chance to shine. Not sure about this offensive line being able to excute it just yet.
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September 16, 2007, 10:40:29 PM
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Those trick plays could set up some bigger things. It's not much of a trick play when you run it about once a game. It's fairly routine now.
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I completely agree.
For some reason, and probably it's because I'm a big fan of RP, but I think the guy is weeks ahead of the rest of us.
I think you may have hit on something here...I also thought these particular trick plays have many faucets that could provide opportunity for alot of scoring opportunities ahead.
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September 16, 2007, 11:06:06 PM
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I think we haven't done too much with the TE's and we really haven't done much in the way of counters/traps.  I'm sure we do have some formations/sets that we haven't shown, but for Christ sakes, how many trick plays, reverses have we run?  We haven't exactly played it close to the vest. 
Those trick plays could set up some bigger things. It's not much of a trick play when you run it about once a game. It's fairly routine now.

Our trick plays have gone from bold and daring, to boring and repetative.  Not that I am complaining, just agreeing, that they aren't really trick anymore.

It's given us two touch downs this year.  That's not exciting?


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September 17, 2007, 08:43:08 AM
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I love all the "trick plays" RP runs. They work most of the time and serve a purpose down the road.
With tejas especially, because on every toss sweep or lateral passes to WR, they're goin to think its a trick play. It can only be good for the offense.
Remember when stoops was bringin back OU to relevance and he was pretty well known for his trick plays. He always called them at the perfect time and they executed and won even with lesser talent (the early early years). Please RP follow the same path as stoops.  :hope: :ksu:

THAT WAS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING!!! Good call, I remember many times - even when we were playing OU - will Stoops run a fake punt? What is going to happen here? Yadda yadda - I like that fact that we could (for a change) get into some coaches heads and make them second guess themselves. Snyder although great, was very predictable at times.

September 17, 2007, 08:58:43 AM
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September 17, 2007, 09:09:15 AM
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I think we haven't done too much with the TE's and we really haven't done much in the way of counters/traps.  I'm sure we do have some formations/sets that we haven't shown, but for Christ sakes, how many trick plays, reverses have we run?  We haven't exactly played it close to the vest. 

Mastrud/Pooschke combined for 6 catches at AU and 9 against SJSU, that's fairly involved.

But none of them have been field strecthers, that's for sure.  Neither Mastrud or Pooschke are particularly fast, I'm sure that's a factor.

They're the fourth and fifth leading receivers in # of receptions, which is about what you would expect with the #1 guy out.  That's involved enough to make the defense account for them, and quite frankly, I like the fact that we're getting the ball to Jordy, Murphy and JJ more than we are the TEs.
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September 17, 2007, 09:28:37 AM
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I think we haven't done too much with the TE's and we really haven't done much in the way of counters/traps.  I'm sure we do have some formations/sets that we haven't shown, but for Christ sakes, how many trick plays, reverses have we run?  We haven't exactly played it close to the vest. 

Mastrud/Pooschke combined for 6 catches at AU and 9 against SJSU, that's fairly involved.

But none of them have been field strecthers, that's for sure.  Neither Mastrud or Pooschke are particularly fast, I'm sure that's a factor.

They're the fourth and fifth leading receivers in # of receptions, which is about what you would expect with the #1 guy out.  That's involved enough to make the defense account for them, and quite frankly, I like the fact that we're getting the ball to Jordy, Murphy and JJ more than we are the TEs.

I was speaking relative to what we've seen last year through this year and what people somehow think is in Prince's hidden playbook that he's waiting to spring.  We've pretty much done the same things as we've been doing (save for somethings we did last year that we haven't done too much of this year), other than Freeman being in the shotgun.  I'm sure we do have some sets/formations that are "new", but I doubt we're going to line up in he triple option against UT.   

September 17, 2007, 10:15:25 AM
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the reverse passes are kinda genius in that whenever we run a reverse in the future the back 7 of our opponents will be saying, "we're not going to fall for the banana in the tailpipe".  If blocking is good there will not be quite as many bodies in the area to make a play.  Prince knows it's not going "trick" opponents...he wants to dictate placement of the defenders.


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Since we have been talking about it... is Rashaad Norwood done here? If so, what a shame - just another in the long line of KSU athletes who are freaking morons.

September 17, 2007, 11:28:51 AM
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the reverse passes are kinda genius in that whenever we run a reverse in the future the back 7 of our opponents will be saying, "we're not going to fall for the banana in the tailpipe".  If blocking is good there will not be quite as many bodies in the area to make a play.  Prince knows it's not going "trick" opponents...he wants to dictate placement of the defenders.



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September 17, 2007, 12:04:49 PM
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Norwood is still on the team, on the sidelines.
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September 17, 2007, 05:55:13 PM
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I love all the "trick plays" RP runs. They work most of the time and serve a purpose down the road.
With tejas especially, because on every toss sweep or lateral passes to WR, they're goin to think its a trick play. It can only be good for the offense.
Remember when stoops was bringin back OU to relevance and he was pretty well known for his trick plays. He always called them at the perfect time and they executed and won even with lesser talent (the early early years). Please RP follow the same path as stoops.  :hope: :ksu:

Oh, I remember alright.  I remember a fake f**king punt ruining my day  :blindfold:

September 17, 2007, 08:56:50 PM
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Norwood is still on the team, on the sidelines.

Does anyone think he will get out of Princes dog house?

September 17, 2007, 09:40:04 PM
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Norwood is still on the team, on the sidelines.

Does anyone think he will get out of Princes dog house?
I like how we've kept him out for three games. Purify was out for Nevada.