This board has gotten really whiny.

[Trog]

Why?

All the good stuff is on the premium board

[catzacker]

I think most of us while saying that we are only expecting 7 wins or so subconsiously aren't used or are in denile that we have slipped so far in just 4 years.  

I probably fall into that camp.  Although I'm not in denial about where we're at.  I'm just not used to having to "expect" 6/7 wins, which pretty much pisses me off.  

[catzacker]

As for ku, yeah, they haven't played anyone, but they've taken care of business. 

KSU lead SJSU 34-7 w/ 7 minutes to play.  The Spartans were barely over 200 yards of offense and KSU over 400.  The 3rd and 4th string subs went in on D and gave up a TD.

Is 34-7 and perhaps 41-7 if we keep in the one's a few more times on both sides..is that taking care of business?  SJSU was horrendous in game one but still returned 15 starters from a 9 win team last season.  Teams do improve from week 1 to week 2.  I'm not saying I was thrilled w/ the game but "taking care of business"...we did.

I didn't think we "improved" from week 1 to week 2.  We ultimately won, so I guess there's the "improvement".  Defensively we looked a bit slower, made the same (if not more) stupid penalties that kept drives alive, and tackled fairly poorly.  Offensively, we did the same things we've done for a while now (going back to last year) which is move the ball to the red zone and then starting moving backwards, we turned the ball over, and really weren't that consistent.  Yeah, it's early, just our second game, and none of them have been against real patsies, but I really was expecting a better performance this past weekend. 

KSU has always looked sloppy in these games.  Even under Snyder.  With the exception of fool's gold UNT, you really have to go back to 2002 vs. LA-Monroe to find a game where KSU was firing at all cylinders for an entire game this early in the season.

Should we expect this team to perform like the 2002 Cats, who were truly a National Title caliber team?

Yeah, we did, but during the time from '97 - '03, generally speaking, we still managed to paste teams in our OOC (mostly patsies).  And I would say there's a difference between having 11 win seasons prior to a lazy/sloppy outing than having a lazy/sloppy showing following a 7-6 season (which preceded 5-6 and 4-7 seasons). 

Which is why 2004 was somehow a shock to a lot of people, but if you actually watched the OOC games (against not so great opponents, except maybe Fresno) the way the season turned out shouldn't have been a suprise. 

[michigancat]

As for ku, yeah, they haven't played anyone, but they've taken care of business. 

KSU lead SJSU 34-7 w/ 7 minutes to play.  The Spartans were barely over 200 yards of offense and KSU over 400.  The 3rd and 4th string subs went in on D and gave up a TD.

Is 34-7 and perhaps 41-7 if we keep in the one's a few more times on both sides..is that taking care of business?  SJSU was horrendous in game one but still returned 15 starters from a 9 win team last season.  Teams do improve from week 1 to week 2.  I'm not saying I was thrilled w/ the game but "taking care of business"...we did.

I didn't think we "improved" from week 1 to week 2.  We ultimately won, so I guess there's the "improvement".  Defensively we looked a bit slower, made the same (if not more) stupid penalties that kept drives alive, and tackled fairly poorly.  Offensively, we did the same things we've done for a while now (going back to last year) which is move the ball to the red zone and then starting moving backwards, we turned the ball over, and really weren't that consistent.  Yeah, it's early, just our second game, and none of them have been against real patsies, but I really was expecting a better performance this past weekend. 

KSU has always looked sloppy in these games.  Even under Snyder.  With the exception of fool's gold UNT, you really have to go back to 2002 vs. LA-Monroe to find a game where KSU was firing at all cylinders for an entire game this early in the season.

Should we expect this team to perform like the 2002 Cats, who were truly a National Title caliber team?

Yeah, we did, but during the time from '97 - '03, generally speaking, we still managed to paste teams in our OOC (mostly patsies).  And I would say there's a difference between having 11 win seasons prior to a lazy/sloppy outing than having a lazy/sloppy showing following a 7-6 season (which preceded 5-6 and 4-7 seasons). 

Which is why 2004 was somehow a shock to a lot of people, but if you actually watched the OOC games (against not so great opponents, except maybe Fresno) the way the season turned out shouldn't have been a suprise. 

I think you just really like to nitpick.  I mean, you're seriously expecting a team coming off 4-7, 5-6, 7-6 seasons to look better than a team coming off an 11 win season.

[Saulbadguy]

It all boils down to insecurity. 

[KSU4ME]

Yeah, we did, but during the time from '97 - '03, generally speaking, we still managed to paste teams in our OOC (mostly patsies).  And I would say there's a difference between having 11 win seasons prior to a lazy/sloppy outing than having a lazy/sloppy showing following a 7-6 season (which preceded 5-6 and 4-7 seasons). 

 

Anyone that expects this team to look like '97-'03 is scary stupid.

So far the non-con has played out like the '93 and '94 seasons score wise, except AU/SJSU might be tougher than some of the teams we played then.

[catzacker]

As for ku, yeah, they haven't played anyone, but they've taken care of business. 

KSU lead SJSU 34-7 w/ 7 minutes to play.  The Spartans were barely over 200 yards of offense and KSU over 400.  The 3rd and 4th string subs went in on D and gave up a TD.

Is 34-7 and perhaps 41-7 if we keep in the one's a few more times on both sides..is that taking care of business?  SJSU was horrendous in game one but still returned 15 starters from a 9 win team last season.  Teams do improve from week 1 to week 2.  I'm not saying I was thrilled w/ the game but "taking care of business"...we did.

I didn't think we "improved" from week 1 to week 2.  We ultimately won, so I guess there's the "improvement".  Defensively we looked a bit slower, made the same (if not more) stupid penalties that kept drives alive, and tackled fairly poorly.  Offensively, we did the same things we've done for a while now (going back to last year) which is move the ball to the red zone and then starting moving backwards, we turned the ball over, and really weren't that consistent.  Yeah, it's early, just our second game, and none of them have been against real patsies, but I really was expecting a better performance this past weekend. 

KSU has always looked sloppy in these games.  Even under Snyder.  With the exception of fool's gold UNT, you really have to go back to 2002 vs. LA-Monroe to find a game where KSU was firing at all cylinders for an entire game this early in the season.

Should we expect this team to perform like the 2002 Cats, who were truly a National Title caliber team?

Yeah, we did, but during the time from '97 - '03, generally speaking, we still managed to paste teams in our OOC (mostly patsies).  And I would say there's a difference between having 11 win seasons prior to a lazy/sloppy outing than having a lazy/sloppy showing following a 7-6 season (which preceded 5-6 and 4-7 seasons). 

Which is why 2004 was somehow a shock to a lot of people, but if you actually watched the OOC games (against not so great opponents, except maybe Fresno) the way the season turned out shouldn't have been a suprise. 

I think you just really like to nitpick.  I mean, you're seriously expecting a team coming off 4-7, 5-6, 7-6 seasons to look better than a team coming off an 11 win season.

I don't get it.  We're not an 11 win team (something pretty much everyone agrees on) and given the predictions people expect anywhere from 6-8 wins....so wouldn't a 6-8 team be flawed?  And if we can't talk about those flaws or at least admit that they exist, then I might as well sign up for GPC again.  

[michigancat]

To me, there's a difference between discussing flaws and whining.

[waks]

As for ku, yeah, they haven't played anyone, but they've taken care of business. 

KSU lead SJSU 34-7 w/ 7 minutes to play.  The Spartans were barely over 200 yards of offense and KSU over 400.  The 3rd and 4th string subs went in on D and gave up a TD.

Is 34-7 and perhaps 41-7 if we keep in the one's a few more times on both sides..is that taking care of business?  SJSU was horrendous in game one but still returned 15 starters from a 9 win team last season.  Teams do improve from week 1 to week 2.  I'm not saying I was thrilled w/ the game but "taking care of business"...we did.

I didn't think we "improved" from week 1 to week 2.  We ultimately won, so I guess there's the "improvement".  Defensively we looked a bit slower, made the same (if not more) stupid penalties that kept drives alive, and tackled fairly poorly.  Offensively, we did the same things we've done for a while now (going back to last year) which is move the ball to the red zone and then starting moving backwards, we turned the ball over, and really weren't that consistent.  Yeah, it's early, just our second game, and none of them have been against real patsies, but I really was expecting a better performance this past weekend. 

KSU has always looked sloppy in these games.  Even under Snyder.  With the exception of fool's gold UNT, you really have to go back to 2002 vs. LA-Monroe to find a game where KSU was firing at all cylinders for an entire game this early in the season.

Should we expect this team to perform like the 2002 Cats, who were truly a National Title caliber team?

Yeah, we did, but during the time from '97 - '03, generally speaking, we still managed to paste teams in our OOC (mostly patsies).  And I would say there's a difference between having 11 win seasons prior to a lazy/sloppy outing than having a lazy/sloppy showing following a 7-6 season (which preceded 5-6 and 4-7 seasons). 

Which is why 2004 was somehow a shock to a lot of people, but if you actually watched the OOC games (against not so great opponents, except maybe Fresno) the way the season turned out shouldn't have been a suprise. 

I think you just really like to nitpick.  I mean, you're seriously expecting a team coming off 4-7, 5-6, 7-6 seasons to look better than a team coming off an 11 win season.

I don't get it.  We're not an 11 win team (something pretty much everyone agrees on) and given the predictions people expect anywhere from 6-8 wins....so wouldn't a 6-8 team be flawed?  And if we can't talk about those flaws or at least admit that they exist, then I might as well sign up for GPC again. 

Just an fyi...Gopo is whining just as much.

[catzacker]

As for ku, yeah, they haven't played anyone, but they've taken care of business. 

KSU lead SJSU 34-7 w/ 7 minutes to play.  The Spartans were barely over 200 yards of offense and KSU over 400.  The 3rd and 4th string subs went in on D and gave up a TD.

Is 34-7 and perhaps 41-7 if we keep in the one's a few more times on both sides..is that taking care of business?  SJSU was horrendous in game one but still returned 15 starters from a 9 win team last season.  Teams do improve from week 1 to week 2.  I'm not saying I was thrilled w/ the game but "taking care of business"...we did.

I didn't think we "improved" from week 1 to week 2.  We ultimately won, so I guess there's the "improvement".  Defensively we looked a bit slower, made the same (if not more) stupid penalties that kept drives alive, and tackled fairly poorly.  Offensively, we did the same things we've done for a while now (going back to last year) which is move the ball to the red zone and then starting moving backwards, we turned the ball over, and really weren't that consistent.  Yeah, it's early, just our second game, and none of them have been against real patsies, but I really was expecting a better performance this past weekend. 

KSU has always looked sloppy in these games.  Even under Snyder.  With the exception of fool's gold UNT, you really have to go back to 2002 vs. LA-Monroe to find a game where KSU was firing at all cylinders for an entire game this early in the season.

Should we expect this team to perform like the 2002 Cats, who were truly a National Title caliber team?

Yeah, we did, but during the time from '97 - '03, generally speaking, we still managed to paste teams in our OOC (mostly patsies).  And I would say there's a difference between having 11 win seasons prior to a lazy/sloppy outing than having a lazy/sloppy showing following a 7-6 season (which preceded 5-6 and 4-7 seasons). 

Which is why 2004 was somehow a shock to a lot of people, but if you actually watched the OOC games (against not so great opponents, except maybe Fresno) the way the season turned out shouldn't have been a suprise. 

I think you just really like to nitpick.  I mean, you're seriously expecting a team coming off 4-7, 5-6, 7-6 seasons to look better than a team coming off an 11 win season.

I don't get it.  We're not an 11 win team (something pretty much everyone agrees on) and given the predictions people expect anywhere from 6-8 wins....so wouldn't a 6-8 team be flawed?  And if we can't talk about those flaws or at least admit that they exist, then I might as well sign up for GPC again. 

Just an fyi...Gopo is whining just as much.

I'm sure Chi Twn Cat will set everyone straight. 

[Pittcat]

Anybody got a Whineken??  I heard they have a draft keg now.

[KSU4ME]

Anybody got a Whineken??  I heard they have a draft keg now.

Draught keg.

[Pittcat]

Sorry, I was "speaking" phonetically

[Legore]

I think most people expected to be 1-1 at this point and if you would have asked me before the season I would have thought Auburn would have beaten us by more and San Jose would have played us tougher.  My early perception is neither of those teams is as good as I thought they would be but it's still too early to know for sure.  

All in all I'm more encouraged then discouraged with what I've seen so far.  The defense has been good against the run which was my biggest defensive concern coming in.  The o-line has held up well which was my main concern on offense.  Deon Murphey has exceeded my expectations and given us the deep threat and return guy we need and Freeman while still not perfect has shown progress from last season.

On the downside we need to cut down on penalties for sure.  We need to turn the ball over a little less then we have and I'd like to cause a few more turnovers on defense.  Also sucks that A Moore is done for the year and we need to get Josh Moore back on the field.   Don't really get the doom and gloom stuff though we have not played perfect but we have not played poorly in either game.  Comparitive scores and things like TD to INT ratios are meaningless.  

[ECN]

[pissclams]

I think most people expected to be 1-1 at this point and if you would have asked me before the season I would have thought Auburn would have beaten us by more and San Jose would have played us tougher.  My early perception is neither of those teams is as good as I thought they would be but it's still too early to know for sure.  

All in all I'm more encouraged then discouraged with what I've seen so far.  The defense has been good against the run which was my biggest defensive concern coming in.  The o-line has held up well which was my main concern on offense.  Deon Murphey has exceeded my expectations and given us the deep threat and return guy we need and Freeman while still not perfect has shown progress from last season.

On the downside we need to cut down on penalties for sure.  We need to turn the ball over a little less then we have and I'd like to cause a few more turnovers on defense.  Also sucks that A Moore is done for the year and we need to get Josh Moore back on the field.   Don't really get the doom and gloom stuff though we have not played perfect but we have not played poorly in either game.  Comparitive scores and things like TD to INT ratios are meaningless.  

The man speaks the truth.

[WilliamTheWildcat]

I'm a Chiefs, Royals and Cats fan.  Yet here I am smiling.

Seriously, I agree with Saul.  Lots of insecurity.

Oh and I also blame bmw.  He's to blame for everything.

[catzacker]

I think most people expected to be 1-1 at this point and if you would have asked me before the season I would have thought Auburn would have beaten us by more and San Jose would have played us tougher.  My early perception is neither of those teams is as good as I thought they would be but it's still too early to know for sure.  

All in all I'm more encouraged then discouraged with what I've seen so far.  The defense has been good against the run which was my biggest defensive concern coming in.  The o-line has held up well which was my main concern on offense.  Deon Murphey has exceeded my expectations and given us the deep threat and return guy we need and Freeman while still not perfect has shown progress from last season.

On the downside we need to cut down on penalties for sure.  We need to turn the ball over a little less then we have and I'd like to cause a few more turnovers on defense.  Also sucks that A Moore is done for the year and we need to get Josh Moore back on the field.   Don't really get the doom and gloom stuff though we have not played perfect but we have not played poorly in either game.  Comparitive scores and things like TD to INT ratios are meaningless.  

This is the biggest surprise so far, for me anyways.  It's something that I was hoping would occur this year and has.  

I'm not doom and gloom, we just have issues, some of which are the same as last year, which is discouraging.  Our o-line fought their asses off at Auburn against a good front 7, and I really think that if we tried to run more (especially against SJSt.) we'd have better success in the passing game (maybe easier is a better word than better).  I'm not all in on putting everything on Josh's shoulders.  

[michigancat]

I think most people expected to be 1-1 at this point and if you would have asked me before the season I would have thought Auburn would have beaten us by more and San Jose would have played us tougher.  My early perception is neither of those teams is as good as I thought they would be but it's still too early to know for sure. 

All in all I'm more encouraged then discouraged with what I've seen so far.  The defense has been good against the run which was my biggest defensive concern coming in.  The o-line has held up well which was my main concern on offense.  Deon Murphey has exceeded my expectations and given us the deep threat and return guy we need and Freeman while still not perfect has shown progress from last season.

On the downside we need to cut down on penalties for sure.  We need to turn the ball over a little less then we have and I'd like to cause a few more turnovers on defense.  Also sucks that A Moore is done for the year and we need to get Josh Moore back on the field.   Don't really get the doom and gloom stuff though we have not played perfect but we have not played poorly in either game.  Comparitive scores and things like TD to INT ratios are meaningless. 

This is the biggest surprise so far, for me anyways.  It's something that I was hoping would occur this year and has. 

I'm not doom and gloom, we just have issues, some of which are the same as last year, which is discouraging.  Our o-line fought their asses off at Auburn against a good front 7, and I really think that if we tried to run more (especially against SJSt.) we'd have better success in the passing game (maybe easier is a better word than better).  I'm not all in on putting everything on Josh's shoulders. 

I think the fact that that's the only non-doom-and-gloom post I've seen from you this season kind of makes you doom and gloom.

FWIW.

And I'd like to see more Patton, less Johnson.

[TheShocker]

Comparitive scores and things like TD to INT ratios are meaningless. 

I totally agree. That crap is way overrated.
Sincerely,

Ryan Leaf

[KSU4ME]

JJ had 25 yards on his first 3 carries...all on the first drive.

After that, he got 2 carries in the next three drives.

First drive of the second half, JJ got 26 yards in 3 carries.  Next drive 23 yards in 2 carries.  

Frankly, I'm surprised he ran as well as he did considering that there wasn't a chance for a good rhythm to develop.  He just did his job when he got the ball.

Since everyone is sooo doom and gloom, here's my hope springs eternal thoughts:

Prince is de-emphasizing the run to get Josh and the WRs in synch on timing.  Thus we have all the short passes with YAC.  The controlled passing game is the foundation of the Prince WCO, and has to be in place before we can really see full value from the run game and deep passing game.  Those things will be added in over the next two weeks.  In the mean time, while the passes are short, Josh is hitting receivers in stride at the right time for them to make a play.  And he's doing it at 60%+ while facing a decent amount of pressure.

[chum1]

Because most of our fanbase are a bunch of bitches.  They act like ku fans.  

Or little brothers of ku fans.