here BMW...sit down w/ me and let's go over ku and Auburn offenses...

[The Manhatter]

You just said Auburn's offense is "terrible" and while I don't think it's anything special let's go over ku and Auburn's personnel piece by piece...mmkay?  Remember, ku replaced QB, 3 interior OL, top receiver, top RB.

QB:
AU - Cox is a 6th year senior and 3 year starter in the SEC.
ku - Reesing's a short and fat lil' dumplin' who we hear did well in Texas HS and did something in the CU game last year in relief.

Advantage: Auburn

RB:
push...none of the backs for either squad were go-to-backs last year.  Lester is definitely most talented on either squad but KSU didn't face him.  I will say Carl Stewart of Auburn is so much better than McAnderson it isn't even funny.

Advantage: Push..but Lester better than any TB for ku and Stewart>>>>McAnderson

WR:
AU - Rodriguez, Dunn, and Smith...3 experienced players though not terribly productive yet.  Don't scare anyone.
ku - well, let's just say nobody is scared of them and the top 3 receivers had career numbers combined that barely equaled one Jordy.

Advantage: Push

TE:
LOL...Auburn is far surperior w/ Trott, McKenzie, and Bennett.  Fine is a solid player but TE is a definite strength for Auburn.


OL:
OT - King Dunlap for Auburn is considered a top 5 OT in next spring's draft.  Ziemba is a true freshman starter.  Collins one of best in the Big 12 and Rodriquez is experienced.

Advantage: ku...but barely.  Dunlap is the best of the 4.

OG:  LOL...all new starters for both squads. Don't knock AU new guards when ku has new ones as well. 

Advantage: Push

C: Bosley has started as many or more games in his career than Cantrell including last year's win over Florida.

Advantage: Push but slight edge may be to Auburn here


The funny thing is that you knock Auburn's offense...do you think Central Michigan and their 185lb starting LB would shut them down?  Hey, just because ku scored 52 vs. a MAC team that obviously has issues (see Toledo '04 when ku scored 63 and then not much the rest of the year offensively) doesn't mean the offense is A-Okay.  The truth will be answered when you step up to real competition.

Glad we had this talk.

[BMWJhawk]

Why are we going over ku and Auburn's offense?

Bottom line is that Auburn's offense was abysmal just as I predicted and K-State should have hung in there and won the game.  Auburn is not as good as they were last season and Cox is one of the worst QB's in the SEC.  K-State's defense is solid overall and played the way I expected them to.

You can try to compare '04 ku to '07 ku all you want, but this program has improved over the course of 4 years and we've finally got some quality depth and some good talent to work with.  Our o-line is a strength as you've pointed out, and our QB is great at running this offense.  The new offensive coordinator is a huge upgrade for ku and has emphasized getting the ball in the hands of the play-makers. 

Go ahead and write off ku all you want, but 6 different guys scored in that game last Saturday, proving that ku has more talent than you would like to admit.  Also, the running game that you questioned all off-season looked very good with both backs (McAnderson and Sharp) running for over 100 yards.  The secondary was impressive also, only allowing 175 yards from a QB who threw for over 3000 yards last season.

I've just got to sit back and laugh at the K-State fans who try to downplay that win over CMU.  The same K-State fans who predicted it was going to be a close game and CMU had a chance to walk out with a 'W.'  Come on 'hatter... admit that you were somewhat impressed with the final result.  BTW, did you notice Dezmon Briscoe's first college reception was a TD catch?  Where was Lamark?

[Pittcat]

Why are we going over ku and Auburn's offense?

Bottom line is that Auburn's offense was abysmal just as I predicted and K-State should have hung in there and won the game.  Auburn is not as good as they were last season and Cox is one of the worst QB's in the SEC.  K-State's defense is solid overall and played the way I expected them to.

You can try to compare '04 ku to '07 ku all you want, but this program has improved over the course of 4 years and we've finally got some quality depth and some good talent to work with.  Our o-line is a strength as you've pointed out, and our QB is great at running this offense.  The new offensive coordinator is a huge upgrade for ku and has emphasized getting the ball in the hands of the play-makers. 

Go ahead and write off ku all you want, but 6 different guys scored in that game last Saturday, proving that ku has more talent than you would like to admit.  Also, the running game that you questioned all off-season looked very good with both backs (McAnderson and Sharp) running for over 100 yards.  The secondary was impressive also, only allowing 175 yards from a QB who threw for over 3000 yards last season.

I've just got to sit back and laugh at the K-State fans who try to downplay that win over CMU.  The same K-State fans who predicted it was going to be a close game and CMU had a chance to walk out with a 'W.'  Come on 'hatter... admit that you were somewhat impressed with the final result.  BTW, did you notice Dezmon Briscoe's first college reception was a TD catch?  Where was Lamark?

Still better than Reesing.

[opcat]

Why are we going over ku and Auburn's offense?

Bottom line is that Auburn's offense was abysmal just as I predicted and K-State should have hung in there and won the game.  Auburn is not as good as they were last season and Cox is one of the worst QB's in the SEC.  K-State's defense is solid overall and played the way I expected them to.

You can try to compare '04 ku to '07 ku all you want, but this program has improved over the course of 4 years and we've finally got some quality depth and some good talent to work with.  Our o-line is a strength as you've pointed out, and our QB is great at running this offense.  The new offensive coordinator is a huge upgrade for ku and has emphasized getting the ball in the hands of the play-makers. 

Go ahead and write off ku all you want, but 6 different guys scored in that game last Saturday, proving that ku has more talent than you would like to admit.  Also, the running game that you questioned all off-season looked very good with both backs (McAnderson and Sharp) running for over 100 yards.  The secondary was impressive also, only allowing 175 yards from a QB who threw for over 3000 yards last season.

I've just got to sit back and laugh at the K-State fans who try to downplay that win over CMU.  The same K-State fans who predicted it was going to be a close game and CMU had a chance to walk out with a 'W.'  Come on 'hatter... admit that you were somewhat impressed with the final result.  BTW, did you notice Dezmon Briscoe's first college reception was a TD catch?  Where was Lamark?

Hahaha 

You talking football.  That is so rich.

[BMWJhawk]

Maybe so, but the 20-29 completions for 261 yards and 4 TD's will be good enough for right now.

[Pittcat]

Why are we going over ku and Auburn's offense?

Bottom line is that Auburn's offense was abysmal just as I predicted and K-State should have hung in there and won the game.  Auburn is not as good as they were last season and Cox is one of the worst QB's in the SEC.  K-State's defense is solid overall and played the way I expected them to.

You can try to compare '04 ku to '07 ku all you want, but this program has improved over the course of 4 years and we've finally got some quality depth and some good talent to work with.  Our o-line is a strength as you've pointed out, and our QB is great at running this offense.  The new offensive coordinator is a huge upgrade for ku and has 1.  emphasized getting the ball in the hands of the play-makers. 

Go ahead and write off ku all you want, but 6 different guys scored in that game last Saturday, proving that ku has more talent than you would like to admit.  Also, the running game that you questioned all off-season looked very good with both backs (2.  McAnderson and Sharp) running for over 100 yards.  The secondary was impressive also, only allowing 175 yards from a QB who threw for over 3000 yards last season.

I've just got to sit back and laugh at the K-State fans who try to downplay that win over CMU.  The same K-State fans who predicted it was going to be a close game and CMU had a chance to walk out with a 'W.'  Come on 'hatter... admit that you were somewhat impressed with the final result.  BTW, did you notice Dezmon Briscoe's first college reception was a TD catch?  Where was Lamark?

Try and follow...

1.  What OC wouldn't emphasize that???

and

2.  Still against a directional state school.  I'd expect the same against Northwest Missouri State.

[BMWJhawk]

1.  Nick Quartaro: worst o-coordinator in Big 12 last season

2.  Central Michigan went 10-4 and won a bowl in '06

[sonofdaxjones]

I'll just remind myself that the last time ku ventured into a place like Auburn, Glen Mason asked for a running clock in the 2nd half.

Auburn . . . they're no Central Michigan.

[BMWJhawk]

Let's keep the ancient history lessons to a minimum. 

Thanks in advance.

[catzacker]

It was just the first game.  Last year: KSU wins 24-23 over freaking Illinois State last year, then pastes FAU 45-0 the next game.  ku wins 49-18 over NW St., then the next week 21-19 over La-Monroe.  

[The Manhatter]

BMW....

Auburn doesn't have a great offense.  We knew this going in...congrats if you figured it out as well.

Now what I want to know is what will make ku's offense BETTER than Auburn's?

ku has had two good offenses in Mangino's 5 years.  But this one has 3 new starters on the interior OL, a new QB, new, new, new.  And please don't come again w/ the "you should be impressed by C. Michigan performance"....umm, no, I'm not.  And I say Auburn prolly puts up 52 on C. Michigan.  Auburn didn't have a great offense last year either but they put up 40-plus in their opener on Wazzou and I'm certain Wazzou had better personnel than C. Michigan.

Auburn isn't perfect but you and your boys want to be fluffed for beating up a MAC school.  Get real.

[sonofdaxjones]

BMW . . . they have good Internet access down at the Executive Club??  Shouldn't you be getting back to your table to smoke some cigars and discuss top shelf brandy, and the Hurricane's impact on gulf oil??

Auburn . . . they're no Central Michigan.

[BMWJhawk]

BMW....

Auburn doesn't have a great offense.  We knew this going in...congrats if you figured it out as well.

Now what I want to know is what will make ku's offense BETTER than Auburn's?

ku has had two good offenses in Mangino's 5 years.  But this one has 3 new starters on the interior OL, a new QB, new, new, new.  And please don't come again w/ the "you should be impressed by C. Michigan performance"....umm, no, I'm not.  And I say Auburn prolly puts up 52 on C. Michigan.  Auburn didn't have a great offense last year either but they put up 40-plus in their opener on Wazzou and I'm certain Wazzou had better personnel than C. Michigan.

Auburn isn't perfect but you and your boys want to be fluffed for beating up a MAC school.  Get real.

Auburn's offense is worse this year than it was last year.  They showed no creativity or desire to throw it down field against K-State.  It's an offense designed to minimize mistakes and let the defense go out and win the game.  Georgia went into their house last year and drilled them 37-15.  Arkansas killed them at home last year as well.  There's no reason why K-State shouldn't have won last weekend.  Keep pimping your moral victory though.

As for the new starters... that's a positive all around for ku.  The o-line was great on Saturday and Reesing's numbers speak for themselves.  Deny it all you want, 'Hatter.  ku is an improved football team this year and we're not going to be an easy win in Manhattan.

[KSU4ME]

Team Pass Efficiency

2006:
Auburn (B.Cox starting) - #37, 136.76 rating
Kansas - #79 - 117.59 rating

2007:
Auburn (B.Cox starting) - #37, 135.43 rating
Kansas - #103, 104.34 rating

But one game against Central Michigan (who gave up 375 passing with 3 TDs to the Akron Zips in '06) and all that has been reversed.

[The Manhatter]

Auburn's offense is worse this year than it was last year.  They showed no creativity or desire to throw it down field against K-State.  It's an offense designed to minimize mistakes and let the defense go out and win the game.  Georgia went into their house last year and drilled them 37-15.  Arkansas killed them at home last year as well.  There's no reason why K-State shouldn't have won last weekend.  Keep pimping your moral victory though.

Yes, it is worse than last year's...so is ku's offense.  You will figure that out soon.

Lollers at your FBIQ talking about Auburn not wanting to throw it down field...so instead of Cox limping badly off the field he's taken out in the Ambulance.  Hey genius...there was just a wee bit of pressure on him.  This is what football coaches do including the fat pig in Lawrence.  Of all programs you have zero room to talk about throwing it downfield.

Then funniest thing is that Cox tried to roll out and throw long and got trucked by Reggie Walker.  Tuberville got the message..."don't try it again".

LOL at pointing out Arkansas and Georgia...teams ku couldn't compete with.

Thanks.

[BMWJhawk]

Say what?

1 Brian Brohm, Louisville QB SR 1 21 16 76.19 0 .00 375 17.86 4 19.05 289.0
2 Tim Tebow, Florida QB SO 1 17 13 76.47 0 .00 300 17.65 3 17.65 282.9
3 Sam Bradford, Oklahoma QB FR 1 23 21 91.30 0 .00 363 15.78 3 13.04 266.9
4 Colt Brennan, Hawaii QB SR 1 40 34 85.00 0 .00 416 10.40 6 15.00 221.9
5 Mike Teel, Rutgers QB JR 1 23 16 69.57 0 .00 328 14.26 2 8.70 218.1
6 T.J. Yates, North Carolina QB FR 1 18 13 72.22 1 5.56 218 12.11 3 16.67 217.8
7 Chris Nickson, Vanderbilt QB JR 1 26 19 73.08 0 .00 284 10.92 4 15.38 215.6
8 Kellen Lewis, Indiana QB SO 1 21 12 57.14 1 4.76 285 13.57 3 14.29 208.8
9 Brian Hoyer, Michigan St. QB JR 1 17 14 82.35 0 .00 201 11.82 1 5.88 201.1
10 Ben Olson, UCLA QB JR 1 29 16 55.17 0 .00 286 9.86 5 17.24 194.9
11 Todd Reesing, Kansas QB JR 1 29 20 68.97 0 .00 261 9.00 4 13.79 190.1
12 Rudy Carpenter, Arizona St. QB JR 1 20 14 70.00 0 .00 197 9.85 2 10.00 185.7
13 Todd Boeckman, Ohio St. QB SR 1 23 17 73.91 0 .00 225 9.78 2 8.70 184.8
14 Matthew Stafford, Georgia QB SO 1 24 18 75.00 0 .00 234 9.75 2 8.33 184.4
15 Tyler Donovan, Wisconsin QB SR 1 29 19 65.52 0 .00 284 9.79 3 10.34 181.9


http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2007&div=4&rpt=IA_playerpasseff&site=org

[sonofdaxjones]

A hardy LOL at BMW actually dissing a team for losing to Georgia and Arkansas.

Auburn . . . praying to one day be like Central Michigan.

[Pett]

LOL, nice release. He better get that fixed by the time he plays D-1 opponents. Next week?? (Really doubt it)

[BMWJhawk]

'Hatter... I'm seriously starting to think you're a parody poster.

Did you just claim that ku's offense would be worse this season?  If that's not low FBIQ I don't know what is.  You've got some serious denial issues when it comes to ku.  This is the best ku team that Mangino has had in his 6 years here.  The o-line is clearly not an issue at all judging from the way they looked on Saturday, and the offense is night and day from what it was under Nick Quartaro.

LOL @ the claim that ku couldn't compete with Georgia when Colorado went into Athens and almost won.  Very similar to what K-State did against Auburn actually.

[sonofdaxjones]

Say BMW, put your money on the table, call up, order those Big 12 CCG tickets, and make non refundable airline reservations and hotel reservations to the CCG . . . oh wait, you may not have to fly, if you're working in Texas, you know pulling down that $300K plus a year, you could drive.

[ksuno1stunner]

You really can't compare MAC defenses (known for being bad) vs. a team like Kansas State's (top 15 defense).

[BMWJhawk]

So how much money are you willing to lose this year on the ku/K-State game?

[pissclams]

BMW's all kool-aided up, it's hilarious.

[ksuno1stunner]

So how much money are you willing to lose this year on the ku/K-State game?

I'll put 50.

ku is an improved football team this year and we're not going to be an easy win in Manhattan.

Weren't you guaranteeing a victory 2 days ago?

We'll shake on the bet before dinner if you come.

[Legore]

ku hasn't won a game on the level of at Auburn in the last 20 years.  How can you talk smack about us not winning down there when you can't win at Toledo?  We could have  won that game and I'm pissed we didn't but LOL at ku fans acting like they have any reason to believe they'd have any chance of hell of coming out of there with a W.  And lol at them acting like it's not a tough place to play when we all had to sit and listen how tough the glass bowl was last year.    

The last time any team from the North won a game on the level of at Auburn on that kind of stage was when we beat Texas last year.  The last time before that was when we beat OU in the big 12 title game in 03.  Can't remember the last time before that but hell it was probably us that won that one too.  All these NU and ku fans talking smack about us not winning there need to look in the mirror.  Fat boy has never beaten a ranked team and Callahan I think has only done it once.  

[lynchmb1029]

Auburn's offense is worse this year than it was last year.  They showed no creativity or desire to throw it down field against K-State.  It's an offense designed to minimize mistakes and let the defense go out and win the game.  Georgia went into their house last year and drilled them 37-15.  Arkansas killed them at home last year as well.  There's no reason why K-State shouldn't have won last weekend.  Keep pimping your moral victory though.

As for the new starters... that's a positive all around for ku.  The o-line was great on Saturday and Reesing's numbers speak for themselves.  Deny it all you want, 'Hatter.  ku is an improved football team this year and we're not going to be an easy win in Manhattan.

No reason? Maybe you can say that after the first three quarters but come on.......

Be honest, you think ku would have had a shot @ Auburn?

[ksuno1stunner]

You just said Auburn's offense is "terrible" and while I don't think it's anything special let's go over ku and Auburn's personnel piece by piece...mmkay?  Remember, ku replaced QB, 3 interior OL, top receiver, top RB.

QB:
AU - Cox is a 6th year senior and 3 year starter in the SEC.
ku - Reesing's a short and fat lil' dumplin' who we hear did well in Texas HS and did something in the CU game last year in relief.

Advantage: Auburn

RB:
push...none of the backs for either squad were go-to-backs last year.  Lester is definitely most talented on either squad but KSU didn't face him.  I will say Carl Stewart of Auburn is so much better than McAnderson it isn't even funny.

Advantage: Push..but Lester better than any TB for ku and Stewart>>>>McAnderson

WR:
AU - Rodriguez, Dunn, and Smith...3 experienced players though not terribly productive yet.  Don't scare anyone.
ku - well, let's just say nobody is scared of them and the top 3 receivers had career numbers combined that barely equaled one Jordy.

Advantage: Push

TE:
LOL...Auburn is far surperior w/ Trott, McKenzie, and Bennett.  Fine is a solid player but TE is a definite strength for Auburn.


OL:
OT - King Dunlap for Auburn is considered a top 5 OT in next spring's draft.  Ziemba is a true freshman starter.  Collins one of best in the Big 12 and Rodriquez is experienced.

Advantage: ku...but barely.  Dunlap is the best of the 4.

OG:  LOL...all new starters for both squads. Don't knock AU new guards when ku has new ones as well. 

Advantage: Push

C: Bosley has started as many or more games in his career than Cantrell including last year's win over Florida.

Advantage: Push but slight edge may be to Auburn here


The funny thing is that you knock Auburn's offense...do you think Central Michigan and their 185lb starting LB would shut them down?  Hey, just because ku scored 52 vs. a MAC team that obviously has issues (see Toledo '04 when ku scored 63 and then not much the rest of the year offensively) doesn't mean the offense is A-Okay.  The truth will be answered when you step up to real competition.

Glad we had this talk.

Are you telling me that ku's OL is just as inexperienced as Auburn's?

 

ku has not seen a defense even close to half as fast as KSU's.

[BMWJhawk]

ku hasn't won a game on the level of at Auburn in the last 20 years.  How can you talk smack about us not winning down there when you can't win at Toledo?  We could have  won that game and I'm pissed we didn't but LOL at ku fans acting like they have any reason to believe they'd have any chance of hell of coming out of there with a W.  And lol at them acting like it's not a tough place to play when we all had to sit and listen how tough the glass bowl was last year.    

The last time any team from the North won a game on the level of at Auburn on that kind of stage was when we beat Texas last year.  The last time before that was when we beat OU in the big 12 title game in 03.  Can't remember the last time before that but hell it was probably us that won that one too.  All these NU and ku fans talking smack about us not winning there need to look in the mirror.  Fat boy has never beaten a ranked team and Callahan I think has only done it once.  

Again... please keep the ancient history lessons to a minimum.

Appalachian State just won at Michigan and you're claiming ku couldn't have hung with Auburn.  Great stuff.

[BMWJhawk]

Are you telling me that ku's OL is just as inexperienced as Auburn's?

Not even close.  Three guys with starting experience, one Juco transfer with Florida State offer, and a guy who's been in the program for four years.  They looked great last weekend.

ku has not seen a defense even close to half as fast as KSU's.

We saw that same defense last season and won the game by 3 TD's.

[KSUTOMMY]

Beemer, hang they old stetson on that "win"... LOL at squaks just like cornholers basing the greatness of thier seasons on the "stiff competition they had in their first week! If that is your benchmark, this season WILL be fun!