ETT: pick two players from the asbury/wooldridge (GOLDEN DAYS) era

[waks]

Serge and Paco. Just because they were both good guys.

[cas]

MANNY DIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!111

[cas]

MANNY DIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!111

MCMW

[turbowildcat]

MANNY DIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!111

MCMW

Pervis pasco and he can only play against Colorado.

[WildCatzPhreak]

I'd say Lance Harris as a sophomore.

No other years, just sophomore.


The other would either be Cartier or Massey.

[doom]

I'd say Lance Harris as a sophomore.

No other years, just sophomore.


The other would either be Cartier or Massey.

I just want Lance and Cartier's outside ability.  It would allow our forwards more room.

[KSU4ME]

reid and martin.  good thoughts on kitt, but they need shooters more.  reid over hatcher is a tough call, but i think reid would fit the team a little better.


morrison is ridiculous, he is one player where the stats are irrelevant.  cancer, pussy, better off without him, etc.

Kitt pulled down over 9 boards a game, shot 50% from the floor, 70% from the line and played above average defense on opposing centers.

That would put hour top dogs in great position.

[opcat]

[KSUBrad]

Massey and Tim Ellis

[sys]

kind of surprising really, but thinking it over, pick any 2 past points you want, and they wouldn't be a huge upgrade over stewart and young.  ksu's weakness at the point is a little overdone.

[fatty fat fat]

Mine: Reid/Martin

We'd prolly win the NC with those two.

Ellis would be my 3rd.

[KSU4ME]

Hatcher and Reid would be massive upgrades at the PG position.

[sys]

Hatcher and Reid would be massive upgrades at the PG position.

why?  stewart is a better spot up shooter than either.  young is a better defender than either.  and since ksu wants the ball in beasley/hoskins/walker´s hands 90% of the time, pg ball handling is less important.

[chum1]

Hatcher and Reid would be massive upgrades at the PG position.

why?  stewart is a better spot up shooter than either.  young is a better defender than either.  and since ksu wants the ball in beasley/hoskins/walker´s hands 90% of the time, pg ball handling is less important.

We're pretty limited because we can only pass and not dribble.  Both in half court offense as well as in doing things like trying to break full court presses or run fast breaks.  Hatcher would give us the ability to do those types of things like no one since Hatcher.  Another great element that Hatcher would bring - which has been sadly lacking for a long time - is give us a guy that can actually shoot off the dribble.  We've had "spot up only" shooters coming out of our asses recently.  They're nearly worthless if there isn't a point guard who can effectively pass the ball to them.  And they're nothing but a joke when they're you're point guard.  For, it's impossible to set yourself up with a great pass.

[fatty fat fat]

who is hatcher?

[chum1]

Elliot Hatcher.  1996 1st team all conference.  Led team to last NCAA tournament appearance.  Our last good PG.  Not a coincidence.

[sys]

Another great element that Hatcher would bring - which has been sadly lacking for a long time - is give us a guy that can actually shoot off the dribble.

any contested shot by anyone other than beasley, walker, or hoskins is a bad shot.  hence, hatcher's skillset is largely unnecessary.

[fatty fat fat]

 i moved to mhk in time for the 96-97 season. I got to witness Mark Young for one season!   

[chum1]

Another great element that Hatcher would bring - which has been sadly lacking for a long time - is give us a guy that can actually shoot off the dribble.

any contested shot by anyone other than beasley, walker, or hoskins is a bad shot.  hence, hatcher's skillset is largely unnecessary.

I love Hoskins.  Hatcher was better.

[sys]

I love Hoskins.  Hatcher was better.

he was great for that team.  other than davis, who else could score?  for a team with 2 potential lottery picks, and a returning proven scorer, he shoots too much.

not saying he wouldn't be a nice addition, just that the upgrade is not as significant as it might seem at first glance. 

[chum1]

I love Hoskins.  Hatcher was better.

he was great for that team.  other than davis, who else could score?  for a team with 2 potential lottery picks, and a returning proven scorer, he shoots too much.

not saying he wouldn't be a nice addition, just that the upgrade is not as significant as it might seem at first glance. 

I have spoken with Billy Donovan extensively on this matter and he assures me that having too many good players is not a cause for concern.  Not everyone is going to be on every night.  And adding Hatcher would be adding a guy that could go off for 25 to 30 and brings skills very different from those of the existing players (unlike someone like Cartier).

[michigancat]

I love Hoskins.  Hatcher was better.

he was great for that team.  other than davis, who else could score?  for a team with 2 potential lottery picks, and a returning proven scorer, he shoots too much.

not saying he wouldn't be a nice addition, just that the upgrade is not as significant as it might seem at first glance. 

I have spoken with Billy Donovan extensively on this matter and he assures me that having too many good players is not a cause for concern.  Not everyone is going to be on every night.  And adding Hatcher would be adding a guy that could go off for 25 to 30 and brings skills very different from those of the existing players (unlike someone like Cartier).

Galen was the same way.  What a guy.

[The Nasti]

Two playas....

T Kitt - Can board and defend and would have no problem collecting putbacks while letting our stars create.     Plus smoked mad kaya and schooled fools at the rec.

E Hatcher - I'm in agreement on the "get as many good players as possible" philosophy. Could fill it up and once de-pantsed Coach Mark Fox at probably the worst D1 camp I could have attended (Tom Asbury BBall Camp).

As an aside - L Reid and E Hatch were both much better than C Stewart and B Young.

[ksu_FAN]

How about Duane Davis, without the baggage?  He was actually a pretty solid PG.

[fatty fat fat]

How about Duane Davis, without the baggage?  He was actually a pretty solid PG.

qft. remember when ku hurt him before the 97-98 game in bram? we were pretty much screwed the minute that happened. I always thought the 97-98 team was better than 98-99 because of DD.

^^holy sh1t I am a KSU basketball GOD^^^^

[ksu_FAN]

How about Duane Davis, without the baggage?  He was actually a pretty solid PG.

qft. remember when ku hurt him before the 97-98 game in bram? we were pretty much screwed the minute that happened. I always thought the 97-98 team was better than 98-99 because of DD.

^^holy sh1t I am a KSU basketball GOD^^^^

After that Chris Griffin was the PG.  He simply wasn't a Big 12 PG, decent back-up probably, but not a #1.

[pissclams]

You're right, Chris was a PAC 10 PG.   
I'd take Jeff Wires anyday over Chris Griffin.

[KSU4ME]

Hatcher and Reid would be massive upgrades at the PG position.

why?  stewart is a better spot up shooter than either.  young is a better defender than either.  and since ksu wants the ball in beasley/hoskins/walker´s hands 90% of the time, pg ball handling is less important.

You can't be serious.  Hatcher shot 39% on triples over his career, and had over 100 3 pt attempts each year.  The only year Stewart shot that good was when he only attempted 37.  Hatcher triples Stewarts steal totals and was also a significantly better rebounder.

Stewart averaged less than 3 assists a game last year, and had guys like Hoskins and Martin to dish to.  Hatcher averaged over 3 assists a game with half the talent around him.

Oh yeah, and Hatcher almost triples Stewarts career scoring average.  Let's be honest, no team is going to divert attention from Beasley/Walker to a guy that is averaging less than 5.5 ppg on his career. 

As for pressuring a defense, consider this nugget.  Hatcher had more FT attempts his Senior year than Stewart has had in his entire career.

I fail to think of a single way that Stewart could be considered superior to Hatcher.  Hatcher literally didn't have knees and he could still dunk all over Stewart.

I'm going to assume you never saw Elliot Hatcher play, and that's why you could say these things.

[sys]

he was great for that team.  other than davis, who else could score?  for a team with 2 potential lottery picks, and a returning proven scorer, he shoots too much.

not saying he wouldn't be a nice addition, just that the upgrade is not as significant as it might seem at first glance. 

quoting my previous post to avoid redundancy in responding to all the people who point out that hatcher was better than stewart or young.

[michigancat]

he was great for that team.  other than davis, who else could score?  for a team with 2 potential lottery picks, and a returning proven scorer, he shoots too much.

not saying he wouldn't be a nice addition, just that the upgrade is not as significant as it might seem at first glance. 

quoting my previous post to avoid redundancy in responding to all the people who point out that hatcher was better than stewart or young.

Did he shoot too much because no one else was on the team, or because he was a ball hog?  I'm guessing he'd shoot less if he'd play w/ two lottos.

You could argue that Larry Reid shot too much, too, but he was pretty much the only offensive threat.