Lamark Brown as a receiver..Good or bad decision?

[KSU4ME]

Speaking of position changes, I think we should move Freeman to TE based on his size, and to a lesser extent, speed.

Nick Stringer should be a TE as well.  He's wasted on OL.

[chum1]

Is there really any question about which position Brown would play if he was at a top ten program? 

[chum1]

All KSU4ME has left is the (slightly better than) 1 in 1000 argument.  He's done.

Maybe he should bring up basketball.

Check out Michael Jordan's 3 pt % from 90-97.  You really shouldn't let it bother you that I know more about basketball than you do.  I mean, you really don't know that much.  Stick with it, though.  You'll catch on.

[michigancat]

Is there really any question about which position Brown would play if he was at a top ten program? 

I don't know enough about LaMark's skills to make that decision, but we are far from a top ten program, so what a top ten program would do with Brown doesn't really apply to us, does it?

All KSU4ME has left is the (slightly better than) 1 in 1000 argument.  He's done.

Maybe he should bring up basketball.

Check out Michael Jordan's 3 pt % from 90-97.  You really shouldn't let it bother you that I know more about basketball than you do.  I mean, you really don't know that much.  Stick with it, though.  You'll catch on.

 

I'll get on that right after I check out Marques Hayden's percentage from 03-04.

 

[ScubaSteve]

I can't believe this thread is approaching 100 posts.   

[ksuno1stunner]

And Stunner, I don't think the ability to shed blocks is the difference between LB and Safety, I think it's one of the differences. 

And Watts would be greatly minimized if we stuck him at LB. 

Bulk him up to 210 and develop him there, I think he'd do just fine.

[chum1]

Top ten programs don't have players out of their best projected positions very often simply because they don't have as many needs due to glaring weaknesses.  So, if Brown would be a linebacker for ten out of the top ten programs, it's a pretty safe bet that he best projects as a linebacker.  Of course, that doesn't mean it's where we should play him, but many KSU fans seem to think that he best projects at receiver.  I think that's far form obvious, to say the least.

[michigancat]

Top ten programs don't have players out of their best projected positions very often simply because they don't have as many needs due to glaring weaknesses.  So, if Brown would be a linebacker for ten out of the top ten programs, it's a pretty safe bet that he best projects as a linebacker.  Of course, that doesn't mean it's where we should play him, but many KSU fans seem to think that he best projects at receiver.  I think that's far form obvious, to say the least.

Where was Brown clearly projected as a linebacker, anyway?

[Bookcat]

I had always figured Lamark signed with us because we would give him a shot at reciever.

If it doesn't pan out, who knows, maybe Ron will move him elsewhere...but it's pretty obvious that Freeman needs a go-to-guy that is big.

Example"
See that GIANT WR that Louisville rolled out last fall. How the hell do you consistently defend a guy that big and tall?


I think we can see where Prince is going with this.

[KSU4ME]

Top ten programs don't have players out of their best projected positions very often simply because they don't have as many needs due to glaring weaknesses.  So, if Brown would be a linebacker for ten out of the top ten programs, it's a pretty safe bet that he best projects as a linebacker.  Of course, that doesn't mean it's where we should play him, but many KSU fans seem to think that he best projects at receiver.  I think that's far form obvious, to say the least.

Where was Brown clearly projected as a linebacker, anyway?

No where.

Marcus Watts, on the other hand, is clearly a stud LB in the making. 

[chum1]

Rivals had him as a d-back initially, but it is pretty much a given that he would bulk up at least a little and very unlikely that he would be one of the biggest safties of all time.  Based on all the early articles, it was just assumed that he would play defense.  This was before Ron told him he could be a receiver at KSU (probably securing his commitment) and set the WR PR wheels in motion.  Ron had a number of quotes like the one from signing day in which he stressed that Brown would play offense, not defense. 

Defensive backs will showcase the talent of guys like Lamark Brown of Hazelwood West

http://kansasstate.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=889&CID=541342

[michigancat]

Rivals had him as a d-back initially, but it is pretty much a given that he would bulk up at least a little and very unlikely that he would be one of the biggest safties of all time.  Based on all the early articles, it was just assumed that he would play defense.  This was before Ron told him he could be a receiver at KSU (probably securing his commitment) and set the WR PR wheels in motion.  Ron had a number of quotes like the one from signing day in which he stressed that Brown would play offense, not defense. 

Defensive backs will showcase the talent of guys like Lamark Brown of Hazelwood West

http://kansasstate.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=889&CID=541342

LOL.  If that's the closest thing you could find, you should seriously go look up more Michael Jordan stats or hang out exclusively in premium.

[catzacker]

Didn't Lamark play/make the non-Army All Star game on defense?  Was that because he was such a good receiver that the coaches thought he'd make a good safety?

[KSU4ME]

Lamark Brown would be an elite PG in a team that doesn't utilize a true PG.

Frank Martin is clearly missing the boat.

[michigancat]

Didn't Lamark play/make the non-Army All Star game on defense?  Was that because he was such a good receiver that the coaches thought he'd make a good safety?

No, it was because top ten programs would clearly put him at linebacker.

[KSU4ME]

Have we found anyone other than the resident tards put the words "Lamark Brown" and "Linebacker" in the same sentence?

[catzacker]

Have we found anyone other than the resident tards put the words "Lamark Brown" and "Linebacker" in the same sentence?

Never in the history of football has a player played a position in HS and then switched in college.  Never.  Never has a player played one postion on defense in HS and then switched to another position on defense in college because the player's size/speed/skill set warranted that.  Never. 

[chum1]

That's all I could find in the span of a couple of minutes.  Anyone with unclouded judgement and a decent memory could tell you that all schools recruiting him were recruiting him for defense...except one.  It happened to be the one that secured his commitment.

[michigancat]

That's all I could find in the span of a couple of minutes.  Anyone with unclouded judgement and a decent memory could tell you that all schools recruiting him were recruiting him for defense...except one.  It happened to be the one that secured his commitment.

Arkansas wanted him as a WR.

"I received a text from him this morning telling me that the offer was being sent out in writing. They are interested in me as a wide receiver as they need one for Mitch Mustain."

http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=9&c=2&cid=531084&nid=2443675&fhn=1

[chum1]

Yeah, I was going back much earlier than that.  Before he committed to KSU (and letting the desire to play WR KAT out of the bag).

[waks]

I had always figured Lamark signed with us because we would give him a shot at reciever.

If it doesn't pan out, who knows, maybe Ron will move him elsewhere...but it's pretty obvious that Freeman needs a go-to-guy that is big.

Example"
See that GIANT WR that Louisville rolled out last fall. How the hell do you consistently defend a guy that big and tall?


I think we can see where Prince is going with this.

Mario Urrutia is who you are talking about. He was the one that ran Watts all the way down after Watts's int.

[catzacker]

http://www.themercury.com/k-statesports/article.aspx?articleId=23626f9225704c22845a50e28d77ca4f

Though Brown played everything from linebacker to safety to running back and tight end, he thinks he is best suited for wide receiver –and so does K-State.
"I can play a lot of different positions, I think," Brown said. "But I really think receiver would be my best spot. I'm feeling the most comfortable there, because I think it's a more natural position for me. I'm big, strong and have good speed. The K-State coaches want me at receiver too, but I'm versatile enough to move around if I have to."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/players/02/08/big12.blitz/1.html

A physically imposing prospect, the 6-3, 215-pound Lamark Brown is one of the nation's most college-ready prospects. Brown, who has the body of a linebacker, will be a receiver at K-State. With his body, size and speed, he should be an instant mismatch for any defensive back in the Big 12.

I won't argue that he won't make a good receiver, I think he'd make a better LB. 

[michigancat]

Yeah, I was going back much earlier than that.  Before he committed to KSU (and letting the desire to play WR KAT out of the bag).

Oh, good for Prince, then.

BTW, can you find any stories prior to his commitment to KSU?  His commitment was pretty much the first story anyone did for both Rivals and Scout.

http://www.themercury.com/k-statesports/article.aspx?articleId=23626f9225704c22845a50e28d77ca4f

Though Brown played everything from linebacker to safety to running back and tight end, he thinks he is best suited for wide receiver –and so does K-State.
"I can play a lot of different positions, I think," Brown said. "But I really think receiver would be my best spot. I'm feeling the most comfortable there, because I think it's a more natural position for me. I'm big, strong and have good speed. The K-State coaches want me at receiver too, but I'm versatile enough to move around if I have to."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/players/02/08/big12.blitz/1.html

A physically imposing prospect, the 6-3, 215-pound Lamark Brown is one of the nation's most college-ready prospects. Brown, who has the body of a linebacker, will be a receiver at K-State. With his body, size and speed, he should be an instant mismatch for any defensive back in the Big 12.

I won't argue that he won't make a good receiver, I think he'd make a better LB. 

I can buy that...that said, I think it's pretty clear that the answer to this:

Is there really any question about which position Brown would play if he was at a top ten program? 

is a definite yes.

[KSU4ME]

This defense would be top 10 if only Lamark Brown and Marcus Watts were moved to LB.

[chum1]

I can buy that...that said, I think it's pretty clear that the answer to this:

Is there really any question about which position Brown would play if he was at a top ten program? 

is a definite yes.

LOL @ Lamark Brown telling Bob Stoops or Mack Brown where he wants to play

[KSU4ME]

I can buy that...that said, I think it's pretty clear that the answer to this:

Is there really any question about which position Brown would play if he was at a top ten program? 

is a definite yes.

LOL @ Lamark Brown telling Bob Stoops or Mack Brown where he wants to play

Brown/Stoops didn't ask.

[ksuno1stunner]

Didn't Lamark play/make the non-Army All Star game on defense?  Was that because he was such a good receiver that the coaches thought he'd make a good safety?

IIRC they actually had him and Curtis Thomas at corner.

***edit*** they had brown at safety and thomas at corner

That's all I could find in the span of a couple of minutes.  Anyone with unclouded judgement and a decent memory could tell you that all schools recruiting him were recruiting him for defense...except one.  It happened to be the one that secured his commitment.

I think his commitment here had more to do with KSU being his favorite team.  You don't think other schools tried selling him on receiver too?  Like you don't think it crossed other coach's minds, "Let's promise him WR and move him later"?  Are you following the Chris Harper recruitment?

[chum1]

I think his commitment here had more to do with KSU being his favorite team.

Me too, but who knows.  I've also wondered if there is some sort of family connection to the school given the way he stands out like a sore thumb on our commit list (as evidenced by all of the discussion dedicated solely to him).

You don't think other schools tried selling him on receiver too?  Like you don't think it crossed other coach's minds, "Let's promise him WR and move him later"?  Are you following the Chris Harper recruitment?

Yeah, coaches do that all the time.  Given that one of our selling points was opportunity to play on offense, though, it doesn't seem like they were.  Maybe other coaches weren't after him all that hard because he was a high academic risk?

[fatty fat fat]

OT: Someone needs to research true freshmen playing WR and their production.

We REALLY REALLY need a receiver op. jordu.

[michigancat]

I think his commitment here had more to do with KSU being his favorite team.

Me too, but who knows.  I've also wondered if there is some sort of family connection to the school given the way he stands out like a sore thumb on our commit list (as evidenced by all of the discussion dedicated solely to him).

You don't think other schools tried selling him on receiver too?  Like you don't think it crossed other coach's minds, "Let's promise him WR and move him later"?  Are you following the Chris Harper recruitment?

Yeah, coaches do that all the time.  Given that one of our selling points was opportunity to play on offense, though, it doesn't seem like they were.  Maybe other coaches weren't after him all that hard because he was a high academic risk?

Are you working your way to a point?

TIA