We are seriously going to be Baylor in a few years

[sonofdaxjones]

So now if KSU doesn't have a Top 10 recruiting class, then it sucks??

Well, good luck in NEVER being happy.

Bob f-ing Huggins

Oh, so now football recruiting is like basketball recruiting??

[fatty fat fat]

Yes, we are kstate. we'll never recruit well.

[sonofdaxjones]

Yes, we are kstate. we'll never recruit well.

I never, never said that.

But I am also not going to start freaking out like a little girl in F-ing May, like somebody else I know.

Fatty ='s Drama Queen.

[mjrod]

dax,

it's a straw man argument.   fatty has been reduced to desperate tactics to defend his obliterated position.

Fact is, stars only matter to those who care.    So now, he's just going to grasp at anything.

Yep, it's a lost cause. 

fatty has been schooled, badly.

[fatty fat fat]

Yes, we are kstate. we'll never recruit well.

I never, never said that.

But I am also not going to start freaking out like a little girl in F-ing May, like somebody else I know.

Fatty ='s Drama Queen.

It's obvious you have concerns.  You wouldn't have posted that at wabash had you not.


MJ, you = jeffy. That is not good. Change that.

[sonofdaxjones]

Yeah ... and then I did some more research.

Then there's Fatty the School Girl.

[mjrod]

fats,

Your obsession with jeffy is disturbing.  Get some help.  Seriously.

[AzCat]

I just did.

9 bids vs 1.

Statisitcally impossible for that to be a "fluke"

God I hate it when you undergrad twerps take a stats course and suddenly believe that you now understand how everything works.  Rodent hammered you on the obvious point that your position ignores the quality of coaching on the teams that are part of your sample groups.  However he missed the most obvious point: your methodology also completely fails to account for the quality of player evaluation and development.  Prince may or may not be a complete disaster but to panic based on what we've seen to date is just dumb.   

[GoldbrickGangBoss]

Yes, we are kstate. we'll never recruit well.

I never, never said that.

But I am also not going to start freaking out like a little girl in F-ing May, like somebody else I know.

Fatty ='s Drama Queen.

It's obvious you have concerns.  You wouldn't have posted that at wabash had you not.

Where else to get better backup for your opinion than from the kool-aid factory?

[sonofdaxjones]

Yes, we are kstate. we'll never recruit well.

I never, never said that.

But I am also not going to start freaking out like a little girl in F-ing May, like somebody else I know.

Fatty ='s Drama Queen.

It's obvious you have concerns.  You wouldn't have posted that at wabash had you not.

Where else to get better backup for your opinion than from the kool-aid factory?

In the real world, if you actually EVER make it there, you'll find that you'll bounce things off of a number of people from time to time. 

[GoldbrickGangBoss]

Yes, we are kstate. we'll never recruit well.

I never, never said that.

But I am also not going to start freaking out like a little girl in F-ing May, like somebody else I know.

Fatty ='s Drama Queen.

It's obvious you have concerns.  You wouldn't have posted that at wabash had you not.

Where else to get better backup for your opinion than from the kool-aid factory?

In the real world, if you actually EVER make it there, you'll find that you'll bounce things off of a number of people from time to time. 

Asking GPC for their view on Princes recruiting is like asking Democrats for an unbiased view on Clintons presidency.

[mjrod]

Nobody would dare ask a squawk about anything football related.

It would be like asking the pope for directions to a disco.

[GoldbrickGangBoss]

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/

[swish1]

not to give fatty any more ammo or to necessarily agree with him but i didnt really like reading this quote from demetrius bell

"Kansas is one of the programs who told my coach they were looking for bigger backs, which was just sugar-coating the fact  they didn't think I was big enough to play," said Bell, who also attended the Nebraska spring game, and received recruiting letters from Vanderbilt and Colorado State.

http://www.wildcatdaily.com/view/article.asp?sectionid=Home/News&id=357-2006-04-28-45079-2

ku didnt even want him?  thats not a good sign.

[GoldbrickGangBoss]

Prince is putting together a track team.

[fatty fat fat]

It's hilarious. Dax ran to  gpc.com basically raising the same concerns I am.

[fatty fat fat]

I just did.

9 bids vs 1.

Statisitcally impossible for that to be a "fluke"

God I hate it when you undergrad twerps take a stats course and suddenly believe that you now understand how everything works.  Rodent hammered you on the obvious point that your position ignores the quality of coaching on the teams that are part of your sample groups.  However he missed the most obvious point: your methodology also completely fails to account for the quality of player evaluation and development.  Prince may or may not be a complete disaster but to panic based on what we've seen to date is just dumb.   

Statistics class?  Hey, just using common sense here.

[michigancat]

1   Texas (2005 NC, 2 BCS bowls)
2   Tennessee (Phil Fulmer)
3   Georgia (1 BCS)
4   Florida State (2 BCS)
5   Ohio State (2 BCS)
6   Auburn (1 BCS, deserved 1 MNC)
7   Oklahoma (2 BCS title games)
8   Miami-FL (1 BCS)
9   UCLA (coach fired)
10   Colorado (coach fired)
11   South Carolina (coach resigned)
12   Virginia (Makes me hope our new coach is really good at developing lower ranked players, because UVA is very mediocre)
13   Southern Cal (3 BCS, 3 title games, 1 NC)
14   Kansas State (1 BCS)
15   LSU (1 BCS, 1 NC)

Summary:  Out of 24 possible BCS spots from 2003-2005, 11 came from the 2002 top 10 recruiters.  16(!)  came from the top 15.  All MNC's came from the top 15, and all BCS title game participants came from the top 15.

[fatty fat fat]

1   Texas (2005 NC, 2 BCS bowls)
2   Tennessee (Phil Fulmer)
3   Georgia (1 BCS)
4   Florida State (2 BCS)
5   Ohio State (2 BCS)
6   Auburn (1 BCS, deserved 1 MNC)
7   Oklahoma (2 BCS title games)
8   Miami-FL (1 BCS)
9   UCLA (coach fired)
10   Colorado (coach fired)
11   South Carolina (coach resigned)
12   Virginia (Makes me hope our new coach is really good at developing lower ranked players, because UVA is very mediocre)
13   Southern Cal (3 BCS, 3 title games, 1 NC)
14   Kansas State (1 BCS)
15   LSU (1 BCS, 1 NC)

Summary:  Out of 24 possible BCS spots from 2003-2005, 11 came from the 2002 top 10 recruiters.  16(!)  came from the top 15.  All MNC's came from the top 15, and all BCS title game participants came from the top 15.

Incredible.  67% of BCS bids came from the top 15 recuiting classes. If rankings "didn't matter" then technically only  12% of the top 15 would play in BCS games.

Yup...67% vs 12%.....just a damned coincidence.

Great posts rusts. Some people just don't have the mental capability to see past outliers and exceptions and look for a general trend.

[michigancat]

1   Texas (2005 NC, 2 BCS bowls)
2   Tennessee (Phil Fulmer)
3   Georgia (1 BCS)
4   Florida State (2 BCS)
5   Ohio State (2 BCS)
6   Auburn (1 BCS, deserved 1 MNC)
7   Oklahoma (2 BCS title games)
8   Miami-FL (1 BCS)
9   UCLA (coach fired)
10   Colorado (coach fired)
11   South Carolina (coach resigned)
12   Virginia (Makes me hope our new coach is really good at developing lower ranked players, because UVA is very mediocre)
13   Southern Cal (3 BCS, 3 title games, 1 NC)
14   Kansas State (1 BCS)
15   LSU (1 BCS, 1 NC)

Summary: Out of 24 possible BCS spots from 2003-2005, 11 came from the 2002 top 10 recruiters. 16(!) came from the top 15. All MNC's came from the top 15, and all BCS title game participants came from the top 15.

Incredible. 67% of BCS bids came from the top 15 recuiting classes. If rankings "didn't matter" then technically only 12% of the top 15 would play in BCS games.

Yup...67% vs 12%.....just a damned coincidence.

Great posts rusts. Some people just don't have the mental capability to see past outliers and exceptions and look for a general trend.

Engineers > All

[fatty fat fat]

You can't blame them really.

Mjrod is a sunshine pumper and never uses any logic at all. He argues like a 4-year-old as KK pointed out earlier. Jeffy jr.

sonofdaxjones shares our concerns, hell...he posted it at wabash...yet he wants stay postive though there is little to grab at. I'm really in this same boat. Can't blame him at all.

Fausto is trying to argue that "maybe crabtree" should be our coach. We'll...the whole point of recruiting is getting guys to commit. Prince knows who the top players are...he just can't land them.  Don't think many players would want to play for Crabby. Besides, Fausto still defends Asbury...God help him.

The only argument I buy is that it's early. I agree. Maybe these guys will be highly rated when January rolls. It sure doesn't look like it now.

[michigancat]

I would love to be positive about Prince, but he just isn't giving me much, other than the fact that he's faster/better at evaluating players than the rest of the Big XII.

[sonofdaxjones]

KSU had a Top 15 class in '02, most didn't play in '03 and in '04 and '05 ... last place in the Big 12 North.   

KSU won the Big 12 being led by a 3 star QB and a 3 Star RB. 

The other schools you mention are traditional football powers with tons more tradition then KSU.   How many #1 recruiting classes has Mack Brown had??  That's translated into 1 conference title and one BCS at large bid because they whined, and whined and whined about it.   

Sure Georgia made it to a BCS bowl, and they got worked by West Virginia .... West Virginia's recruiting class rank in 2002 ... 37th.

Virigina Tech 2002 recruiting ranking ... 45th, played in the 2005 Sugar Bowl.

[Saulbadguy]

I think it is far too early to judge on this years recruiting class.  That is all.

[michigancat]

KSU had a Top 15 class in '02, most didn't play in '03 and in '04 and '05 ... last place in the Big 12 North.

KSU won the Big 12 being led by a 3 star QB and a 3 Star RB.

The other schools you mention are traditional football powers with tons more tradition then KSU. How many #1 recruiting classes has Mack Brown had?? That's translated into 1 conference title and one BCS at large bid because they whined, and whined and whined about it.

Sure Georgia made it to a BCS bowl, and they got worked by West Virginia .... West Virginia's recruiting class rank in 2002 ... 37th.

Virigina Tech 2002 recruiting ranking ... 45th, played in the 2005 Sugar Bowl.

Well, hopefully we'll end up with a top 50 recruiting class.  That doesn't exactly look too promising.

I don't see how the recruiting rankings translating into success don't apply to schools with "more tradition".  And yeah, what a failure Mack Brown is. 

[sonofdaxjones]

KSU had a Top 15 class in '02, most didn't play in '03 and in '04 and '05 ... last place in the Big 12 North.

KSU won the Big 12 being led by a 3 star QB and a 3 Star RB.

The other schools you mention are traditional football powers with tons more tradition then KSU. How many #1 recruiting classes has Mack Brown had?? That's translated into 1 conference title and one BCS at large bid because they whined, and whined and whined about it.

Sure Georgia made it to a BCS bowl, and they got worked by West Virginia .... West Virginia's recruiting class rank in 2002 ... 37th.

Virigina Tech 2002 recruiting ranking ... 45th, played in the 2005 Sugar Bowl.

Well, hopefully we'll end up with a top 50 recruiting class.  That doesn't exactly look too promising.

I don't see how the recruiting rankings translating into success don't apply to schools with "more tradition".  And yeah, what a failure Mack Brown is. 

I never said Mack Brown was a failure. 

[sonofdaxjones]

Sean Cattouse has offers from Kansas State, Purdue, Minnesota and Northern Illinois so far this spring.

[michigancat]

KSU had a Top 15 class in '02, most didn't play in '03 and in '04 and '05 ... last place in the Big 12 North.

KSU won the Big 12 being led by a 3 star QB and a 3 Star RB.

The other schools you mention are traditional football powers with tons more tradition then KSU. How many #1 recruiting classes has Mack Brown had?? That's translated into 1 conference title and one BCS at large bid because they whined, and whined and whined about it.

Sure Georgia made it to a BCS bowl, and they got worked by West Virginia .... West Virginia's recruiting class rank in 2002 ... 37th.

Virigina Tech 2002 recruiting ranking ... 45th, played in the 2005 Sugar Bowl.

Well, hopefully we'll end up with a top 50 recruiting class.  That doesn't exactly look too promising.

I don't see how the recruiting rankings translating into success don't apply to schools with "more tradition".  And yeah, what a failure Mack Brown is. 

I never said Mack Brown was a failure.

You're using him as an example that "recruiting rankings don't mean anything", when he is in fact the perfect example of how superior talent can overcome average coaching to win 10 games a year.

[sonofdaxjones]

KSU had a Top 15 class in '02, most didn't play in '03 and in '04 and '05 ... last place in the Big 12 North.

KSU won the Big 12 being led by a 3 star QB and a 3 Star RB.

The other schools you mention are traditional football powers with tons more tradition then KSU. How many #1 recruiting classes has Mack Brown had?? That's translated into 1 conference title and one BCS at large bid because they whined, and whined and whined about it.

Sure Georgia made it to a BCS bowl, and they got worked by West Virginia .... West Virginia's recruiting class rank in 2002 ... 37th.

Virigina Tech 2002 recruiting ranking ... 45th, played in the 2005 Sugar Bowl.

Well, hopefully we'll end up with a top 50 recruiting class.  That doesn't exactly look too promising.

I don't see how the recruiting rankings translating into success don't apply to schools with "more tradition".  And yeah, what a failure Mack Brown is. 

I never said Mack Brown was a failure.

You're using him as an example that "recruiting rankings don't mean anything", when he is in fact the perfect example of how superior talent can overcome average coaching to win 10 games a year.

So, you would rather put your eggs into the hopes that the talent works out (when it has been shown that 50% plus of the Rivals Top 100 are basically busts) rather then having superior coaching??

Interesting. 

Again, since not one kid has been ranked to date, I still can't understand why we're having this debate.   

You and Fatty ='s Owned by ku fans.

[Kat Kid]

The argumentative logic here is staggering.

Dax/MJ:  Your sample size is insufficient!  You aren't factoring in coaching ability!  What about upsets in bowl games??!  Mack Brown whined to get into a BCS bowl! 

Fatty/Rusty:  Present a better model.  Why should we believe this recruiting class is worth a crap?

Dax/MJ:  I have many statistically insignificant outliers I can present with no statistical model at all!  Ell Roberson was only three stars!!!  Newman!  Sproles!!!!

Fatty/Rusty:  WTF?  Don't you realize the population of  3*>>5*??