The Deathly Hallows..

[kougar24]

I finished it yesterday afternoon.   

What did you thin of it?


We should get into deep, intelligent thought. So profound that mere muggles (haha), like PC and Ew (you're out of the group, btw), cannot grasp the enthralling words that we speak of.

Easily the best book, tied everything together from the entire series.  Very sad to see it end.  She didn't leave it open for any more books.

Actually she did.  I just finished it a few minutes ago.

Go re-read the last part with Harry talking to Albus Severus and him checking his scar one more time.  Now tell me that isn't an opening for another dark lord.

And what does it say about his scar right after that? No, the Harry Potter series is done. However, there would probably be great demand for a James Potter "prequel" series, so to speak, focusing on James, Sirius, Lupin, Lily, Snape, etc. I wouldn't like it if she did that, but it would probably be a hit as well.

Rowling is an excellent writer, no question.

Or she could write a series about Harry's kid. I don't think she will write anymore Harry Potter books. I could see her coming out with a different story completely unrelated to Harry Potter though. Not that she would need to, she's a billionaire (corrected from my earlier statement of her being a measly millionaire).

Very true, which would also be a guaranteed hit. I could see her writing a similar fantasy-type series unrelated...I don't think the money matters much at this point, if she truly loves writing. Although, trying to live up to the phenomenon that is Harry Potter might take the fun out of it.

[waks]

I finished it yesterday afternoon.   

What did you thin of it?


We should get into deep, intelligent thought. So profound that mere muggles (haha), like PC and Ew (you're out of the group, btw), cannot grasp the enthralling words that we speak of.

Easily the best book, tied everything together from the entire series.  Very sad to see it end.  She didn't leave it open for any more books.

Actually she did.  I just finished it a few minutes ago.

Go re-read the last part with Harry talking to Albus Severus and him checking his scar one more time.  Now tell me that isn't an opening for another dark lord.

And what does it say about his scar right after that? No, the Harry Potter series is done. However, there would probably be great demand for a James Potter "prequel" series, so to speak, focusing on James, Sirius, Lupin, Lily, Snape, etc. I wouldn't like it if she did that, but it would probably be a hit as well.

Rowling is an excellent writer, no question.

Or she could write a series about Harry's kid. I don't think she will write anymore Harry Potter books. I could see her coming out with a different story completely unrelated to Harry Potter though. Not that she would need to, she's a billionaire (corrected from my earlier statement of her being a measly millionaire).

Very true, which would also be a guaranteed hit. I could see her writing a similar fantasy-type series unrelated...I don't think the money matters much at this point, if she truly loves writing. Although, trying to live up to the phenomenon that is Harry Potter might take the fun out of it.

QFT Kougs.

Maybe if she's looking for inspiration you could let her stay in your "badass apartment" in Olathe.*

 





*Sorry, I just had to. 

[kougar24]

I finished it yesterday afternoon.   

What did you thin of it?


We should get into deep, intelligent thought. So profound that mere muggles (haha), like PC and Ew (you're out of the group, btw), cannot grasp the enthralling words that we speak of.

Easily the best book, tied everything together from the entire series.  Very sad to see it end.  She didn't leave it open for any more books.

Actually she did.  I just finished it a few minutes ago.

Go re-read the last part with Harry talking to Albus Severus and him checking his scar one more time.  Now tell me that isn't an opening for another dark lord.

And what does it say about his scar right after that? No, the Harry Potter series is done. However, there would probably be great demand for a James Potter "prequel" series, so to speak, focusing on James, Sirius, Lupin, Lily, Snape, etc. I wouldn't like it if she did that, but it would probably be a hit as well.

Rowling is an excellent writer, no question.

Or she could write a series about Harry's kid. I don't think she will write anymore Harry Potter books. I could see her coming out with a different story completely unrelated to Harry Potter though. Not that she would need to, she's a billionaire (corrected from my earlier statement of her being a measly millionaire).

Very true, which would also be a guaranteed hit. I could see her writing a similar fantasy-type series unrelated...I don't think the money matters much at this point, if she truly loves writing. Although, trying to live up to the phenomenon that is Harry Potter might take the fun out of it.

QFT Kougs.

Maybe if she's looking for inspiration you could let her stay in your "badass apartment" in Olathe.*

 





*Sorry, I just had to. 

   And everything was going so well!

Side note: despite the reasoning behind it, despite being named for one of the greatest wizards of all time, how pissed is Albus about his name? Couple that with the middle name Severus, and that's going to be one troubled child.

[waks]

I finished it yesterday afternoon.   

What did you thin of it?


We should get into deep, intelligent thought. So profound that mere muggles (haha), like PC and Ew (you're out of the group, btw), cannot grasp the enthralling words that we speak of.

Easily the best book, tied everything together from the entire series.  Very sad to see it end.  She didn't leave it open for any more books.

Actually she did.  I just finished it a few minutes ago.

Go re-read the last part with Harry talking to Albus Severus and him checking his scar one more time.  Now tell me that isn't an opening for another dark lord.

And what does it say about his scar right after that? No, the Harry Potter series is done. However, there would probably be great demand for a James Potter "prequel" series, so to speak, focusing on James, Sirius, Lupin, Lily, Snape, etc. I wouldn't like it if she did that, but it would probably be a hit as well.

Rowling is an excellent writer, no question.

Or she could write a series about Harry's kid. I don't think she will write anymore Harry Potter books. I could see her coming out with a different story completely unrelated to Harry Potter though. Not that she would need to, she's a billionaire (corrected from my earlier statement of her being a measly millionaire).

Very true, which would also be a guaranteed hit. I could see her writing a similar fantasy-type series unrelated...I don't think the money matters much at this point, if she truly loves writing. Although, trying to live up to the phenomenon that is Harry Potter might take the fun out of it.

QFT Kougs.

Maybe if she's looking for inspiration you could let her stay in your "badass apartment" in Olathe.*

 





*Sorry, I just had to. 

   And everything was going so well!

Side note: despite the reasoning behind it, despite being named for one of the greatest wizards of all time, how pissed is Albus about his name? Couple that with the middle name Severus, and that's going to be one troubled child.

Dude. Celebrities always name their kids screwed up names. How about "Apple" or "Blanket." I would kick my parents asses, but then they would just throw me some millions and I'd be all right.

So let's see though.. They named their kids after James, Lilly, Albus, Severus, Remus, Aberforth (I think).. Was there a Tonks or maybe even a Mad-eye? Or it would have been really great if there was a Dobby. There was also a Fred I believe.

[kougar24]

I finished it yesterday afternoon.   

What did you thin of it?


We should get into deep, intelligent thought. So profound that mere muggles (haha), like PC and Ew (you're out of the group, btw), cannot grasp the enthralling words that we speak of.

Easily the best book, tied everything together from the entire series.  Very sad to see it end.  She didn't leave it open for any more books.

Actually she did.  I just finished it a few minutes ago.

Go re-read the last part with Harry talking to Albus Severus and him checking his scar one more time.  Now tell me that isn't an opening for another dark lord.

And what does it say about his scar right after that? No, the Harry Potter series is done. However, there would probably be great demand for a James Potter "prequel" series, so to speak, focusing on James, Sirius, Lupin, Lily, Snape, etc. I wouldn't like it if she did that, but it would probably be a hit as well.

Rowling is an excellent writer, no question.

Or she could write a series about Harry's kid. I don't think she will write anymore Harry Potter books. I could see her coming out with a different story completely unrelated to Harry Potter though. Not that she would need to, she's a billionaire (corrected from my earlier statement of her being a measly millionaire).

Very true, which would also be a guaranteed hit. I could see her writing a similar fantasy-type series unrelated...I don't think the money matters much at this point, if she truly loves writing. Although, trying to live up to the phenomenon that is Harry Potter might take the fun out of it.

QFT Kougs.

Maybe if she's looking for inspiration you could let her stay in your "badass apartment" in Olathe.*

 





*Sorry, I just had to. 

   And everything was going so well!

Side note: despite the reasoning behind it, despite being named for one of the greatest wizards of all time, how pissed is Albus about his name? Couple that with the middle name Severus, and that's going to be one troubled child.

Dude. Celebrities always name their kids screwed up names. How about "Apple" or "Blanket." I would kick my parents asses, but then they would just throw me some millions and I'd be all right.

So let's see though.. They named their kids after James, Lilly, Albus, Severus, Remus, Aberforth (I think).. Was there a Tonks or maybe even a Mad-eye? Or it would have been really great if there was a Dobby. There was also a Fred I believe.

Where were Remus or Aberforth?

[waks]

I finished it yesterday afternoon.   

What did you thin of it?


We should get into deep, intelligent thought. So profound that mere muggles (haha), like PC and Ew (you're out of the group, btw), cannot grasp the enthralling words that we speak of.

Easily the best book, tied everything together from the entire series.  Very sad to see it end.  She didn't leave it open for any more books.

Actually she did.  I just finished it a few minutes ago.

Go re-read the last part with Harry talking to Albus Severus and him checking his scar one more time.  Now tell me that isn't an opening for another dark lord.

And what does it say about his scar right after that? No, the Harry Potter series is done. However, there would probably be great demand for a James Potter "prequel" series, so to speak, focusing on James, Sirius, Lupin, Lily, Snape, etc. I wouldn't like it if she did that, but it would probably be a hit as well.

Rowling is an excellent writer, no question.

Or she could write a series about Harry's kid. I don't think she will write anymore Harry Potter books. I could see her coming out with a different story completely unrelated to Harry Potter though. Not that she would need to, she's a billionaire (corrected from my earlier statement of her being a measly millionaire).

Very true, which would also be a guaranteed hit. I could see her writing a similar fantasy-type series unrelated...I don't think the money matters much at this point, if she truly loves writing. Although, trying to live up to the phenomenon that is Harry Potter might take the fun out of it.

QFT Kougs.

Maybe if she's looking for inspiration you could let her stay in your "badass apartment" in Olathe.*

 





*Sorry, I just had to. 

   And everything was going so well!

Side note: despite the reasoning behind it, despite being named for one of the greatest wizards of all time, how pissed is Albus about his name? Couple that with the middle name Severus, and that's going to be one troubled child.

Dude. Celebrities always name their kids screwed up names. How about "Apple" or "Blanket." I would kick my parents asses, but then they would just throw me some millions and I'd be all right.

So let's see though.. They named their kids after James, Lilly, Albus, Severus, Remus, Aberforth (I think).. Was there a Tonks or maybe even a Mad-eye? Or it would have been really great if there was a Dobby. There was also a Fred I believe.

Where were Remus or Aberforth?

I think maybe middle names of James or Lilly. Or of the Weasley's kids. I'm not 100% though.

[Saulbadguy]

I finished it yesterday afternoon.   

What did you thin of it?


We should get into deep, intelligent thought. So profound that mere muggles (haha), like PC and Ew (you're out of the group, btw), cannot grasp the enthralling words that we speak of.

Easily the best book, tied everything together from the entire series.  Very sad to see it end.  She didn't leave it open for any more books.

Actually she did.  I just finished it a few minutes ago.

Go re-read the last part with Harry talking to Albus Severus and him checking his scar one more time.  Now tell me that isn't an opening for another dark lord.

And what does it say about his scar right after that? No, the Harry Potter series is done. However, there would probably be great demand for a James Potter "prequel" series, so to speak, focusing on James, Sirius, Lupin, Lily, Snape, etc. I wouldn't like it if she did that, but it would probably be a hit as well.

Rowling is an excellent writer, no question.

Or she could write a series about Harry's kid. I don't think she will write anymore Harry Potter books. I could see her coming out with a different story completely unrelated to Harry Potter though. Not that she would need to, she's a billionaire (corrected from my earlier statement of her being a measly millionaire).

Very true, which would also be a guaranteed hit. I could see her writing a similar fantasy-type series unrelated...I don't think the money matters much at this point, if she truly loves writing. Although, trying to live up to the phenomenon that is Harry Potter might take the fun out of it.

QFT Kougs.

Maybe if she's looking for inspiration you could let her stay in your "badass apartment" in Olathe.*

 





*Sorry, I just had to. 

   And everything was going so well!

Side note: despite the reasoning behind it, despite being named for one of the greatest wizards of all time, how pissed is Albus about his name? Couple that with the middle name Severus, and that's going to be one troubled child.

Dude. Celebrities always name their kids screwed up names. How about "Apple" or "Blanket." I would kick my parents asses, but then they would just throw me some millions and I'd be all right.

So let's see though.. They named their kids after James, Lilly, Albus, Severus, Remus, Aberforth (I think).. Was there a Tonks or maybe even a Mad-eye? Or it would have been really great if there was a Dobby. There was also a Fred I believe.

Tonks was the last name of Nymphadora.  Mad-eye is just a nick name, his real name is Allister (IIRC). 

[waks]

I know his real name is Allister. I just thought it would be cool if they named one of their kids Mad-Eye. I knew Tonks was the last name, just didn't know what her first name was. Were any of the kids named after her?

[kougar24]

I finished it yesterday afternoon.   

What did you thin of it?


We should get into deep, intelligent thought. So profound that mere muggles (haha), like PC and Ew (you're out of the group, btw), cannot grasp the enthralling words that we speak of.

Easily the best book, tied everything together from the entire series.  Very sad to see it end.  She didn't leave it open for any more books.

Actually she did.  I just finished it a few minutes ago.

Go re-read the last part with Harry talking to Albus Severus and him checking his scar one more time.  Now tell me that isn't an opening for another dark lord.

And what does it say about his scar right after that? No, the Harry Potter series is done. However, there would probably be great demand for a James Potter "prequel" series, so to speak, focusing on James, Sirius, Lupin, Lily, Snape, etc. I wouldn't like it if she did that, but it would probably be a hit as well.

Rowling is an excellent writer, no question.

Or she could write a series about Harry's kid. I don't think she will write anymore Harry Potter books. I could see her coming out with a different story completely unrelated to Harry Potter though. Not that she would need to, she's a billionaire (corrected from my earlier statement of her being a measly millionaire).

Very true, which would also be a guaranteed hit. I could see her writing a similar fantasy-type series unrelated...I don't think the money matters much at this point, if she truly loves writing. Although, trying to live up to the phenomenon that is Harry Potter might take the fun out of it.

QFT Kougs.

Maybe if she's looking for inspiration you could let her stay in your "badass apartment" in Olathe.*

 





*Sorry, I just had to. 

   And everything was going so well!

Side note: despite the reasoning behind it, despite being named for one of the greatest wizards of all time, how pissed is Albus about his name? Couple that with the middle name Severus, and that's going to be one troubled child.

Dude. Celebrities always name their kids screwed up names. How about "Apple" or "Blanket." I would kick my parents asses, but then they would just throw me some millions and I'd be all right.

So let's see though.. They named their kids after James, Lilly, Albus, Severus, Remus, Aberforth (I think).. Was there a Tonks or maybe even a Mad-eye? Or it would have been really great if there was a Dobby. There was also a Fred I believe.

Where were Remus or Aberforth?

I think maybe middle names of James or Lilly. Or of the Weasley's kids. I'm not 100% though.

Me either, and I just read it. Kinda sad. Ron's kids were Rose and...?

Tonks was the last name of Nymphadora.  Mad-eye is just a nick name, his real name is Allister (IIRC). 

It's "Alastor." HTH. 

[kougar24]

What do you think adult Harry's profession was?

[waks]

I finished it yesterday afternoon.   

What did you thin of it?


We should get into deep, intelligent thought. So profound that mere muggles (haha), like PC and Ew (you're out of the group, btw), cannot grasp the enthralling words that we speak of.

Easily the best book, tied everything together from the entire series.  Very sad to see it end.  She didn't leave it open for any more books.

Actually she did.  I just finished it a few minutes ago.

Go re-read the last part with Harry talking to Albus Severus and him checking his scar one more time.  Now tell me that isn't an opening for another dark lord.

And what does it say about his scar right after that? No, the Harry Potter series is done. However, there would probably be great demand for a James Potter "prequel" series, so to speak, focusing on James, Sirius, Lupin, Lily, Snape, etc. I wouldn't like it if she did that, but it would probably be a hit as well.

Rowling is an excellent writer, no question.

Or she could write a series about Harry's kid. I don't think she will write anymore Harry Potter books. I could see her coming out with a different story completely unrelated to Harry Potter though. Not that she would need to, she's a billionaire (corrected from my earlier statement of her being a measly millionaire).

Very true, which would also be a guaranteed hit. I could see her writing a similar fantasy-type series unrelated...I don't think the money matters much at this point, if she truly loves writing. Although, trying to live up to the phenomenon that is Harry Potter might take the fun out of it.

QFT Kougs.

Maybe if she's looking for inspiration you could let her stay in your "badass apartment" in Olathe.*

 





*Sorry, I just had to. 

   And everything was going so well!

Side note: despite the reasoning behind it, despite being named for one of the greatest wizards of all time, how pissed is Albus about his name? Couple that with the middle name Severus, and that's going to be one troubled child.

Dude. Celebrities always name their kids screwed up names. How about "Apple" or "Blanket." I would kick my parents asses, but then they would just throw me some millions and I'd be all right.

So let's see though.. They named their kids after James, Lilly, Albus, Severus, Remus, Aberforth (I think).. Was there a Tonks or maybe even a Mad-eye? Or it would have been really great if there was a Dobby. There was also a Fred I believe.

Where were Remus or Aberforth?

I think maybe middle names of James or Lilly. Or of the Weasley's kids. I'm not 100% though.

Me either, and I just read it. Kinda sad. Ron's kids were Rose and...?

Tonks was the last name of Nymphadora.  Mad-eye is just a nick name, his real name is Allister (IIRC). 

It's "Alastor." HTH. 

I'm pretty sure one of Ron's kids was Fred.

[waks]

What do you think adult Harry's profession was?

Probably an auror or someone in the Ministry Of Magic.

[kougar24]

What do you think adult Harry's profession was?

Probably an auror or someone in the Ministry Of Magic.

Auror would be the obvious choice, but Harry's got no love for the Ministry...at least, he didn't as a kid. That had to have left a bad taste in his mouth. Plus, for someone who has "had enough trouble for a lifetime" (his words) I can't see him chasing dark wizards for a living. Did any of the books ever say what his dad did for a living? Or mom?

[Saulbadguy]

What do you think adult Harry's profession was?

I watched Dateline NBC last weekend and it was a feature about Harry Potter and an interview of JK Rowling. She said that both Harry and Ron were Aurors, and totally revamped the auror department within the MoM (Ministry of Magic).  Hermoine works in the Magical Law department.

[KungFoooKitty]

 

[waks]

What do you think adult Harry's profession was?

Probably an auror or someone in the Ministry Of Magic.

Auror would be the obvious choice, but Harry's got no love for the Ministry...at least, he didn't as a kid. That had to have left a bad taste in his mouth. Plus, for someone who has "had enough trouble for a lifetime" (his words) I can't see him chasing dark wizards for a living. Did any of the books ever say what his dad did for a living? Or mom?

Both of his parents were aurors that were trying to stop Voldemort (that's why Voldemort went after James). In book six (I believe) when Harry was taking his OWLs he talked about how he had to do well if he became an auror. Plus, the ministry would be completely different since the Dark Lord was down. Being an auror was probably pretty easy then because I doubt many wizards wanted to go up against the Boy Who Lived anymore.. I sure wouldn't, anyway.

[kougar24]

What do you think adult Harry's profession was?

I watched Dateline NBC last weekend and it was a feature about Harry Potter and an interview of JK Rowling. She said that both Harry and Ron were Aurors, and totally revamped the auror department within the MoM (Ministry of Magic).  Hermoine works in the Magical Law department.

You making that up? If not: cool.

What do you think adult Harry's profession was?

Probably an auror or someone in the Ministry Of Magic.

Auror would be the obvious choice, but Harry's got no love for the Ministry...at least, he didn't as a kid. That had to have left a bad taste in his mouth. Plus, for someone who has "had enough trouble for a lifetime" (his words) I can't see him chasing dark wizards for a living. Did any of the books ever say what his dad did for a living? Or mom?

Both of his parents were aurors that were trying to stop Voldemort (that's why Voldemort went after James). In book six (I believe) when Harry was taking his OWLs he talked about how he had to do well if he became an auror. Plus, the ministry would be completely different since the Dark Lord was down. Being an auror was probably pretty easy then because I doubt many wizards wanted to go up against the Boy Who Lived anymore.. I sure wouldn't, anyway.

Both his parents were in the Order, but that doesn't necessarily make them Aurors. Also, Voldy went after the Potter family because of the prophecy, not because of James' profession.

[Saulbadguy]

I'm not making it up.

http://www.datelinenbc.com

I'm not sure that will be in there but I thought it was cool when she said that. However, she prefaced those statements with "probably".  I think she left that up for the readers to imagine. 

[waks]

What do you think adult Harry's profession was?

I watched Dateline NBC last weekend and it was a feature about Harry Potter and an interview of JK Rowling. She said that both Harry and Ron were Aurors, and totally revamped the auror department within the MoM (Ministry of Magic).  Hermoine works in the Magical Law department.

You making that up? If not: cool.

What do you think adult Harry's profession was?

Probably an auror or someone in the Ministry Of Magic.

Auror would be the obvious choice, but Harry's got no love for the Ministry...at least, he didn't as a kid. That had to have left a bad taste in his mouth. Plus, for someone who has "had enough trouble for a lifetime" (his words) I can't see him chasing dark wizards for a living. Did any of the books ever say what his dad did for a living? Or mom?

Both of his parents were aurors that were trying to stop Voldemort (that's why Voldemort went after James). In book six (I believe) when Harry was taking his OWLs he talked about how he had to do well if he became an auror. Plus, the ministry would be completely different since the Dark Lord was down. Being an auror was probably pretty easy then because I doubt many wizards wanted to go up against the Boy Who Lived anymore.. I sure wouldn't, anyway.

Both his parents were in the Order, but that doesn't necessarily make them Aurors. Also, Voldy went after the Potter family because of the prophecy, not because of James' profession.

No. They were both aurors, I'm sure.

[kougar24]

No. They were both aurors, I'm sure.

FWIW.

"...It used to be a broadly popular belief throughout much of fandom that James Potter, and possibly Lily as well, like Frank and Alice Longbottom, were employed as Aurors at the time of their deaths at the end of October, 1981.

Post-OotP, however, we seemed to have discovered that this was unlikely to have been the case. There simply did not appear to be enough time for James and Lily to have finished their training and become established as Aurors between the time they finished Hogwarts and the time that they were killed."


The article goes on to speculate other reasons the Potters might have been Aurors, as well, so I'm not saying you're wrong, Waks. Basically, all I look at this proving is that Rowling never mentioned James' or Lily's profession explicitly, so it's up to you, the reader, to guess.

[waks]

LOL. We're some pretty big f*cking nerds.

[kougar24]

LOL. We're some pretty big f*cking nerds.

Oh, no doubt. But at least we aren't as nerdy as whoever wrote that huge article. 

[waks]

LOL. We're some pretty big f*cking nerds.

Oh, no doubt. But at least we aren't as nerdy as whoever wrote that huge article. 

Yeah.. plus, the badass apartment* gives you quite a few cool points, I'm sure.








*All in good fun.. again, I couldn't resist. 

[kougar24]

LOL. We're some pretty big f*cking nerds.

Oh, no doubt. But at least we aren't as nerdy as whoever wrote that huge article. 

Yeah.. plus, the badass apartment* gives you quite a few cool points, I'm sure.








*All in good fun.. again, I couldn't resist. 

On the contrary, I'm pretty sure that getting that excited over an apt. increases my nerd score. 

But as for HP, I don't care if we're nerdy for liking it. They're excellently written books.

[waks]

LOL. We're some pretty big f*cking nerds.

Oh, no doubt. But at least we aren't as nerdy as whoever wrote that huge article. 

Yeah.. plus, the badass apartment* gives you quite a few cool points, I'm sure.








*All in good fun.. again, I couldn't resist. 

On the contrary, I'm pretty sure that getting that excited over an apt. increases my nerd score. 

But as for HP, I don't care if we're nerdy for liking it. They're excellently written books.

The movie also has the 98th sexiest woman in the world if you're into jailbait.

[ksuno1stunner]

wait.  the author of harry potter books is a chiquita?

LOL @ reading a book written by a vagina!

[Iceberg]

Okay, got a HP question here. Who do you think is the new Headmaster at Hogwarts?

[kougar24]

Okay, got a HP question here. Who do you think is the new Headmaster at Hogwarts?

Mundungus Fletcher.

The movie also has the 98th sexiest woman in the world if you're into jailbait.

Did some list actually rank Watson in a Top 100 list? Wow.

[waks]

Okay, got a HP question here. Who do you think is the new Headmaster at Hogwarts?

Mundungus Fletcher.

The movie also has the 98th sexiest woman in the world if you're into jailbait.

Did some list actually rank Watson in a Top 100 list? Wow.

FHM.

[waks]

Apparently Rowling recently announced that Dumbledore was gay. Pretty interesting.


http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,2196020,00.html