I think that our 2007 D is going to be sooo good that....

[Pett]

I'm making Lynch Mob videos to get ready for it!!! 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTz5O5dZwG0

No bad language this time also everyone. 

Kid friendly!!! 

[JMITCH]

Sweet.  How about a nickname for them.  I vote for the Purpleshirts.

[jaloma58]

lol, good one...

[steve dave]

Sweet.  How about a nickname for them.  I vote for the Purpleshirts.

   Now this makes me think it's a Corn sock.  Are you a Texas sock, Corn sock or Waks?

[kougar24]

Sock or no sock, gotta give him props for the Braveheart caption. Vintage.

[KungFoooKitty]

Sweet.  How about a nickname for them.  I vote for the Purpleshirts.

   Now this makes me think it's a Corn sock.  Are you a Texas sock, Corn sock or Waks?

I think one of waks voices has taken over again and created another username.  Stupid waks' socks.

[waks]

Sweet.  How about a nickname for them.  I vote for the Purpleshirts.

   Now this makes me think it's a Corn sock.  Are you a Texas sock, Corn sock or Waks?

He would have said "homosexual purpleshirts" if it was a Corn sock. Hth.

[cireksu]

haven't had a lynch mob in 4 years.  I've kinda given up on it.

[Pett]

haven't had a lynch mob in 4 years.  I've kinda given up on it.

Bad year to give up on the mob, too much athleticism on D for the LM to fail, and when you add in Tibesar, you've got gold.....


2005 D better than 2004, 2006 D better than 2005, and 2007 D should be better than 2006, even if 2006 had 39 sacks....

[fb]

I know Tibesar had success in the lower levels and on special teams but let's not lube this guy up and stroke him just yet. 

The defense has relatively no depth in the DL and LB units.  If Abana doesn't get it done, there is one less DL.

Snyder left this whole roster in shambles with holes all over it.  Prince and his staff will not have the defense resembling the Lynch Mob for awhile.  The Lynch Mob was littered with NFL draft picks.  Jackson, Patterson, possibly Walker, possibly Watts, and Moore are the only guys that appear to have NFL futures.

The defense still has a long ways to go before we see a nationally ranked 10 group bashing heads.

The defense finished ranked #70 last year.  The defense was ranked 45 in 2005.  The defense was ranked 43 in 2004.  Statistically, it has been getting worse each year since 2003.  Maybe you are just speaking from the heart rather than your head but I advise you do some research before making comments like the ones you did when comparing the defenses by year.

http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2007&div=4&rpt=IA_teamtotdef&site=org
http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2005&div=4&rpt=IA_teamtotdef&site=org
http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2004&div=4&rpt=IA_teamtotdef&site=org

[fatty fat fat]

The defense finished ranked #70 last year.  The defense was ranked 45 in 2005.  The defense was ranked 43 in 2004.  Statistically, it has been getting worse each year since 2003.  Maybe you are just speaking from the heart rather than your head but I advise you do some research before making comments like the ones you did when comparing the defenses by year.


2004 was easily the worse defense. Look at yards per play.

[Pett]

Yep, going off of memory......didn't know the NCAA rank since 2004, just know pass rush was much better going from 2004 to 2006...

[JTKSU]

I know Tibesar had success in the lower levels and on special teams but let's not lube this guy up and stroke him just yet. 

The defense has relatively no depth in the DL and LB units.  If Abana doesn't get it done, there is one less DL.

Snyder left this whole roster in shambles with holes all over it.  Prince and his staff will not have the defense resembling the Lynch Mob for awhile.  The Lynch Mob was littered with NFL draft picks.  Jackson, Patterson, possibly Walker, possibly Watts, and Moore are the only guys that appear to have NFL futures.

The defense still has a long ways to go before we see a nationally ranked 10 group bashing heads.

The defense finished ranked #70 last year.  The defense was ranked 45 in 2005.  The defense was ranked 43 in 2004.  Statistically, it has been getting worse each year since 2003.  Maybe you are just speaking from the heart rather than your head but I advise you do some research before making comments like the ones you did when comparing the defenses by year.

http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2007&div=4&rpt=IA_teamtotdef&site=org
http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2005&div=4&rpt=IA_teamtotdef&site=org
http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2004&div=4&rpt=IA_teamtotdef&site=org

Not sure what makes you think we have no depth at DL or LB, and CFN agrees with me.  We basically have interchangable starters at each DL position and even if "The Freak" takes some time to get accustomed to D1, we are solid two deep at each LB spot.  Don't really think too much of Houlik, but I don't expect him to see much time, outside of special teams.  (He's not too bad, maybe a little slow considering he's not real big.)  And don't think because we are  a little undersized, we won't be effective.  This D is really starting to look alot like The Miami D's (who have sent tons of players to the league), and Rutger's of the last two years.  (Really fast, a little small, but ton's of guys flying at the ball makes up for lack of size more often than not.) I'm kinda thinking maybe you just made that statement, without really doing much research.

http://cfn.scout.com/2/652269.html

[catinthehat]

"The defense finished ranked #70 last year.  The defense was ranked 45 in 2005.  The defense was ranked 43 in 2004.  Statistically, it has been getting worse each year since 2003"

yeah, but all those cool sacks. 

[fb]

I know Tibesar had success in the lower levels and on special teams but let's not lube this guy up and stroke him just yet. 

The defense has relatively no depth in the DL and LB units.  If Abana doesn't get it done, there is one less DL.

Snyder left this whole roster in shambles with holes all over it.  Prince and his staff will not have the defense resembling the Lynch Mob for awhile.  The Lynch Mob was littered with NFL draft picks.  Jackson, Patterson, possibly Walker, possibly Watts, and Moore are the only guys that appear to have NFL futures.

The defense still has a long ways to go before we see a nationally ranked 10 group bashing heads.

The defense finished ranked #70 last year.  The defense was ranked 45 in 2005.  The defense was ranked 43 in 2004.  Statistically, it has been getting worse each year since 2003.  Maybe you are just speaking from the heart rather than your head but I advise you do some research before making comments like the ones you did when comparing the defenses by year.

http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2007&div=4&rpt=IA_teamtotdef&site=org
http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2005&div=4&rpt=IA_teamtotdef&site=org
http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2004&div=4&rpt=IA_teamtotdef&site=org

Not sure what makes you think we have no depth at DL or LB, and CFN agrees with me.  We basically have interchangable starters at each DL position and even if "The Freak" takes some time to get accustomed to D1, we are solid two deep at each LB spot.  Don't really think too much of Houlik, but I don't expect him to see much time, outside of special teams.  (He's not too bad, maybe a little slow considering he's not real big.)  And don't think because we are  a little undersized, we won't be effective.  This D is really starting to look alot like The Miami D's (who have sent tons of players to the league), and Rutger's of the last two years.  (Really fast, a little small, but ton's of guys flying at the ball makes up for lack of size more often than not.) I'm kinda thinking maybe you just made that statement, without really doing much research.

http://cfn.scout.com/2/652269.html

Just because there are bodies at a position does not translate into depth.
Roland has great wheels.  He uses those wheels to run by tackles all over the place.
Moore is not a LB and is gobbled up as soon as a blocker gets their hands on him. 
Houlik has never played a snap of D1 ball and is severely undersized.  Too expect anything other than spot time is unrealistic.  Josh Buhl is the epitome of an undersized LB being productive.  He wasn't anything great his redshirt freshman season though.
Rosel is awful.
Childs can be good on the blitz but the kid has a long ways to go in regards to playing LB.  The experience he'll get this season will be valuable but you have to be tremendously optimistic to think he is going to be an impact kid.
Campbell is known by all to not be a tremendous athlete and more of a kid that just keeps grinding from snap to whistle.  If you watched the spring game you saw he was lost at LB and isn't good laterally.  He is the classic DE/LB tweener that can get it done in college at DE but will have to gain a ton of speed or weight to play beyond.
Perry works hard but he isn't a difference maker by any means.
Gaskins is probably a nice kid. 
McGhee needs reps.
Walker is legit.
Patterson will surely go through some time to adjust but he is legit.

I like the core of Walker, Patterson, and Childs at LB.  Those guys are very skilled athletically.  Unfortunately, 2 of the 3 will have a learning curve.

Campbell's shortcomings will only be displayed more at LB unless we bring him on blitzes almost all the time.  If that is the case, the element of surprise regarding our blitz schemes out of the 4-3 will not be as good. 

Jackson is the only sure thing at DE.  Manu was sick last year but we don't know at all what he brings to the table.  Abana has to qualify still, and I think everyone agrees he'll need some time considering he is so new to football. 

I am fine with Junior and Cline in the 3-4 as the middle guy rotating.  There is not much behind them.  Balkcom could hardly find the field last year and for as much as I loved Seiler, the kid wasn't a Big 12 quality DT.  Crews?  Kid is a redshirt freshman with no D1 experience.  Kendall is the same and supposedly has nagging injuries.

We have a bunch of bodies right now but we are not deep.  Think back to the real Lynch Mob days.  We consistently replaced all league level performers with all league level performers.  We are not at that level...YET.  I do however feel good about the general direction things appear to be headed.  You don't build depth in 2 seasons.  Guys like Houlik, McGhee, Childs, Rohleder, Kendall, Crews, etc are the future but iincluding them in our discussion about our depth right now isn't fair to them or Tibesar either.  Great players come from your program's development of high school kids.  Snyder got a bad wrap as only fielding JuCo players.  Funny thing is we had 15 all americans that were offense or defense (not including kickers) and only 4 of those were JuCo kids (Kelly, Fatafehi, Morgan, and Bishop).  3 years down the road, I suspect we will have depth when we have more developed high school kids with a few JuCo kids sprinkled in instead of the current situation.

It is hard to not be excited about the future of this program.

[JTKSU]

I know Tibesar had success in the lower levels and on special teams but let's not lube this guy up and stroke him just yet. 

The defense has relatively no depth in the DL and LB units.  If Abana doesn't get it done, there is one less DL.

Snyder left this whole roster in shambles with holes all over it.  Prince and his staff will not have the defense resembling the Lynch Mob for awhile.  The Lynch Mob was littered with NFL draft picks.  Jackson, Patterson, possibly Walker, possibly Watts, and Moore are the only guys that appear to have NFL futures.

The defense still has a long ways to go before we see a nationally ranked 10 group bashing heads.

The defense finished ranked #70 last year.  The defense was ranked 45 in 2005.  The defense was ranked 43 in 2004.  Statistically, it has been getting worse each year since 2003.  Maybe you are just speaking from the heart rather than your head but I advise you do some research before making comments like the ones you did when comparing the defenses by year.

http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2007&div=4&rpt=IA_teamtotdef&site=org
http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2005&div=4&rpt=IA_teamtotdef&site=org
http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2004&div=4&rpt=IA_teamtotdef&site=org

Not sure what makes you think we have no depth at DL or LB, and CFN agrees with me.  We basically have interchangable starters at each DL position and even if "The Freak" takes some time to get accustomed to D1, we are solid two deep at each LB spot.  Don't really think too much of Houlik, but I don't expect him to see much time, outside of special teams.  (He's not too bad, maybe a little slow considering he's not real big.)  And don't think because we are  a little undersized, we won't be effective.  This D is really starting to look alot like The Miami D's (who have sent tons of players to the league), and Rutger's of the last two years.  (Really fast, a little small, but ton's of guys flying at the ball makes up for lack of size more often than not.) I'm kinda thinking maybe you just made that statement, without really doing much research.

http://cfn.scout.com/2/652269.html

Just because there are bodies at a position does not translate into depth.
Roland has great wheels.  He uses those wheels to run by tackles all over the place.
Moore is not a LB and is gobbled up as soon as a blocker gets their hands on him. 
Houlik has never played a snap of D1 ball and is severely undersized.  Too expect anything other than spot time is unrealistic.  Josh Buhl is the epitome of an undersized LB being productive.  He wasn't anything great his redshirt freshman season though.
Rosel is awful.
Childs can be good on the blitz but the kid has a long ways to go in regards to playing LB.  The experience he'll get this season will be valuable but you have to be tremendously optimistic to think he is going to be an impact kid.
Campbell is known by all to not be a tremendous athlete and more of a kid that just keeps grinding from snap to whistle.  If you watched the spring game you saw he was lost at LB and isn't good laterally.  He is the classic DE/LB tweener that can get it done in college at DE but will have to gain a ton of speed or weight to play beyond.
Perry works hard but he isn't a difference maker by any means.
Gaskins is probably a nice kid. 
McGhee needs reps.
Walker is legit.
Patterson will surely go through some time to adjust but he is legit.

I like the core of Walker, Patterson, and Childs at LB.  Those guys are very skilled athletically.  Unfortunately, 2 of the 3 will have a learning curve.

Campbell's shortcomings will only be displayed more at LB unless we bring him on blitzes almost all the time.  If that is the case, the element of surprise regarding our blitz schemes out of the 4-3 will not be as good. 

Jackson is the only sure thing at DE.  Manu was sick last year but we don't know at all what he brings to the table.  Abana has to qualify still, and I think everyone agrees he'll need some time considering he is so new to football. 

I am fine with Junior and Cline in the 3-4 as the middle guy rotating.  There is not much behind them.  Balkcom could hardly find the field last year and for as much as I loved Seiler, the kid wasn't a Big 12 quality DT.  Crews?  Kid is a redshirt freshman with no D1 experience.  Kendall is the same and supposedly has nagging injuries.

We have a bunch of bodies right now but we are not deep.  Think back to the real Lynch Mob days.  We consistently replaced all league level performers with all league level performers.  We are not at that level...YET.  I do however feel good about the general direction things appear to be headed.  You don't build depth in 2 seasons.  Guys like Houlik, McGhee, Childs, Rohleder, Kendall, Crews, etc are the future but iincluding them in our discussion about our depth right now isn't fair to them or Tibesar either.  Great players come from your program's development of high school kids.  Snyder got a bad wrap as only fielding JuCo players.  Funny thing is we had 15 all americans that were offense or defense (not including kickers) and only 4 of those were JuCo kids (Kelly, Fatafehi, Morgan, and Bishop).  3 years down the road, I suspect we will have depth when we have more developed high school kids with a few JuCo kids sprinkled in instead of the current situation.

It is hard to not be excited about the future of this program.

Few things you had that are incorrect:
Houlik played in 9 games last year.  So much for "not a single snap of D1 football."  Do you even watch the games?

Roland is 6'0" and 245 lbs.  I have never once thought he "has great wheels."  At MLB, you don't have to the fleetest of foot, all you have to do is stuff the run.  The OLB's are the one's covering the short flats.

You listed a core of three LBs that you liked.  We run a 3-4.  Campbell (All-Big XII last season, pretty good for someone who "isn't much of an athlete")  will basically play a third DE, he'll spend very little time off the line, and basically no time in coverage.  How many times do you remember seeing Derrick Thomas in coverage?

Outlook: With great depth, and more about to emerge in the fall, the line should see an excellent rotation with plenty of chances for everyone to shine. Once everyone figures out their roles, and the right combination is figured out, this could grow into a strength. For what it'll need to do, the front three will be effective.      http://cfn.scout.com/2/652268.html

Do you not agree that a linebacking corps of Patterson, Walker, Roland, and Campbell would be an effective unit?  With Childs, Moore, Houlik and Diehl providing the occasional breathers?  The DL will be fairly interchangable, as Prince loves to rotate lineman to keep them fresh.  Add to this an incredibly deep and talented (McKinney/Baldwin, J. Moore, Watts, and Chandler? just sick) secondary, and I really like our chances on D... Now, find a couple more OL, figure out who will man the WR spots, and limit the turnovers, and we might have a pretty darn good team.  If we don't get the O rolling a bit better, expect another season about like last.  This D won't be as flashy (less sacks due to less Cover 2, but our secondary should up their interceptions from last year) but it will keep us in alot more ballgames.  I don't expect us to get blownout much, if at all, due to a stingier D.

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Not much sleep and lots of errors by me.  I apologize.  I am just going to stop.  Go State.

[The Manhatter]

Not much sleep and lots of errors by me.  I apologize.  I am just going to stop.  Go State.

quite a few errors in there fb though I do agree w/ you on some.

Most notable...Roland doesn't have "great wheels".  Not sure where you got that.  Houlik played in a number of games(defensively and not just special teams).  Made a nice tackle in a one-on-one situation on a Texas RB.  And who cares if he's 5-11 215...Buhl was 5-11 195 when he played and Houlik is faster.  I'm not saying he's as good as Buhl but maybe one day he might be?  Houlik is a good player.  Antwon Moore actually did a surprisingly nice job last year in passing situations.  Can't say that I saw him gobbled up on running plays but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.  It looks as though you are judging a 3-4 LB like a 4-3 LB thus making comments about Childs and Campbell.  While I agree w/ some of things you said about them...it's a different ballgame playing the 3-4 as a backer.  And Campbell wouldn't have to gain a "ton of speed" to play at the next level as a LB...more like athleticism and quickness, suddeness, etc. Not speed.  He's faster than some LB's in the league.  Do you think Mike Vrabel is some speed demon or something?  Again, different ballgame being a 3-4 LB..particularly if you do a lot of DE hybrid stuff as the strongside OLB.  And I wouldn't say Walker is legit just yet.  He overruns too many plays and misses way too many tackles to be called legit at this point.  Now he does make plays...but he gives them up too.

[fb]

manhatter and JT,
I'll be honest, phone calls about my elderly mother in Arizona rattled me and had me trying to think about anything other than her.  My mind would go one direction and then in a complete other.  I missed some simple stuff and mispoke many times.

I definitely think Houlik can be good.  Just not yet.  Buhl didn't make an impact until his third season.  I think that timeline is appropriate for Walker.  I expect Houlik to get more reps and make mistakes this year and then not as a junior.  My comparison is I kind of think Houlik could be somewhat similar this season to Walker last season. 

Walker is legit in my mind cause I think he did over run plays too but the defense last year almost asked too much of him.  I feel he'll be in a more controlled role this year and not be going by people.  I think you would agree he gets touted a little too much.  My theory is people know he was ranked somewhat high and put him on a pedestal too much.

Moore was good in coverage, surely due to his time as a safety.  If he can avoid getting sucked up by a blocker (keep an eye out for early on this year), Moore can be a weapon but he is only here for one more year and I don't expect a ton from him other than a random play here and there.

Roland can get it going when I watched him on special teams.  I think his first few steps might not be great but he can turn on the burners at time which is what I think his big problem is, marginal balance. 

I am at the front of the Ian Campbell fan club but comparing him to Vrabel seems a little much.  Vrabel is around 260 lbs.  Campbell is a shade over 235 lbs per someone I trust.  Ian has been in the program for a long time and while he can still add some meat to his body, he isn't going to be throwing much more on which hurts his chances at DE.  Campbell in a 3-4 is his only shot and I see a guy like the former beaker-Mcman or whatever his name is-struggle to get on the field for a bad Cleveland team makes me think Ian has a very uphill battle.  Also, Vrabel is a compact bundle of muscle while Campbell is more of a wiry kid with a lot of flexibility.  There games don't resemble each others at least to me.  I am not predicting anything close the same success level of Ian, but his game seems to resemble that of Ware from Dallas in their 3-4 scheme.  I think Ian's best bet would have been going to NFL Euro as a free agent for someone and getting a chance to show.  He won't impress anyone at the NFL combine and that plays far too much importance at least I think in NFL teams decisions.

We are all hoping, crossing bodily appendages:hope:, and waiting for big things.  I guess I just think we are a year or two off.  It took Snyder around 5-6 years to really develop depth in the program.  I think the program was probably around year 3 of Snyder's tenure when Prince showed up.  There are obvious contrasts in our former and current coaches ideas on how to build a program but I am not sure one way is faster or slower.

What the hell do I know though?  I am some dipcrap sitting at my computer.