iPhone

[kougar24]

Pretty much all apartments are overpriced, IMO. 

Buy a condo.

They're no investment, that's for sure...unless, of course, you own the apartment building.

[michigancat]

lol's

http://www.willitblend.com/videos.aspx?type=unsafe&video=iphone

[pissclams]

iSmoke!
 

[WilliamTheWildcat]

Best post ever about iDIOTs

wouldn't the iphone make more money if it had a tiny plastic vagina built into it so all the nerds could get their micro-weiners off while using their nifty safari browsers to look at candids from the latest Halo 2 World Championships in Djibouti?

[dr00d]

so going back to the iphone.  I hear that the battery isn't removable and if it craps out on you, you have to send it in for repair.  $70 dollars for repair and your phone is gone for three or more days, but they will be glad to send you a loaner for another 35 bucks.  BRILLIANT.

Sound familiar to anyone?  Because it certainly sounds like a first generation (and second?) iPod.

  = apple

[KSU4ME]

I read an extensive market analysis of the iPhone the other day and it predicted that an improved model will be released in Europe later this year, with a further improved model to be released in Asia sometime in the spring of next year.  That's because those areas are so far ahead of the US technologically that Apple will have to add 3G support, video camera capabilities, and other features that are standard in those areas in order to sell enough units there.  So the guy predicted that we would see iPhone v2 in the US next summer.  He said that that will be the iPhone really worth getting.

3G is available all over the U.S.

That aint the reason Apple is rolling version 1 on a crap network technology.

[dr00d]

go ahead an ignore the fact that they just made the same mistake that they did a few years ago.

[Dan Rydell]

I read an extensive market analysis of the iPhone the other day and it predicted that an improved model will be released in Europe later this year, with a further improved model to be released in Asia sometime in the spring of next year.  That's because those areas are so far ahead of the US technologically that Apple will have to add 3G support, video camera capabilities, and other features that are standard in those areas in order to sell enough units there.  So the guy predicted that we would see iPhone v2 in the US next summer.  He said that that will be the iPhone really worth getting.

3G is available all over the U.S.

That aint the reason Apple is rolling version 1 on a crap network technology.

I'm aware of that.  AT&T itself offers quite a selection of phones that are 3G compatible, but not the iPhone.  In fact, the SIM cards in the iPhone have the 3G logo on them.

However, the reason the analysis said that they'd have to make them 3G compatible for Europe is because everyone over there is much more used to having and using 3G, so it's very much already the "standard" for cell phone data transmission among European cell phone users.

[pissclams]

I read a study that showed that the battery life in the iPhone would be reduced by as much as 50% if the iPhone had 3G functionality.  That, coupled with the inability to swap out the battery, is reason enough to stick with the EDGE network for data service until they can figure out a better solution.

The thing has WiFi, that's pretty much everywhere now and free to users, and faster than 3G.  Good enough.

[KSU4ME]

Apple is rolling non-3G in the US because US customers are suckers enough to buy it.  And will be doubly stupid when they do buy a 3G version a year later.

[michigancat]

I'm going to get t-mobile pay as you go + Vonage when my next cell phone contract ends.

[konofo]

I read a study that showed that the battery life in the iPhone would be reduced by as much as 50% if the iPhone had 3G functionality.  That, coupled with the inability to swap out the battery, is[...]

...using one design flaw to justify another.

The thing has WiFi, that's pretty much everywhere now and free to users, and faster than 3G.  Good enough.

Sure, it's everywhere, except anywhere you wouldn't already have access to a computer.

kono

[pissclams]

I read a study that showed that the battery life in the iPhone would be reduced by as much as 50% if the iPhone had 3G functionality.  That, coupled with the inability to swap out the battery, is[...]

...using one design flaw to justify another.

The thing has WiFi, that's pretty much everywhere now and free to users, and faster than 3G.  Good enough.

Sure, it's everywhere, except anywhere you wouldn't already have access to a computer.

kono

Because it's as easy to whip out your laptop as it is your phone.   

[KSU4ME]

I think the point is that you can't rely on wi-fi coverage when you're mobile....which is when you would need it for a MOBILE phone.

If I'm chained to a point of coverage, what's the benefit of squinting at a screen? 

[konofo]

When would someone be most likely to use the net on a 3.5" QVGA screen?  Probably not at home or the office, unless you're masochistic.  The point of mobile connectivity is not to feel tethered to your nearest hotspot.  It's for when you're out and about.  

kono

[KSU4ME]

I have visions of PC at the Broadway Cafe using a magnifying glass to read the latest at KSUfans on his iPhone.

And then going apocalyptic when he loses a well thought out post as he walks back to his car and loses coverage....and then the battery craps out on the drive home in the middle of a conversation.

[pissclams]

The inclusion of WiFi on the iPhone is not a bad thing.  I'm not sure where you live but there aren't problems accessing WiFi coverage in any semi-major city.  You're not "chained" to a point of coverage... Am I going to have a problem hitting a WiFi spot from my duck blind in Tonganoxie?  Probably.  Shucks?  Would it be great if Apple was able to find a way to include 3G capability and still maintain a somewhat respectable battery life? Of course.

You squint to read the iPhone screen?  You should get your eyes checked.  The obvious benefit to not having to carry your laptop around with you is not having to carry your laptop around with you.  At the end of the day the makers of the iPhone never intended the thing to be a PDA phone or used in lue of a laptop, or even a Treo.  So I'm not even sure what you're point is.

[pissclams]

When would someone be most likely to use the net on a 3.5" QVGA screen?  Probably not at home or the office, unless you're masochistic.  The point of mobile connectivity is not to feel tethered to your nearest hotspot.  It's for when you're out and about.  

kono

LOL

[konofo]

The inclusion of WiFi on the iPhone is not a bad thing.

Of course not; it's a nice freebie, but don't use it to dismiss its other shortcomings.

kono

[pissclams]

The inclusion of WiFi on the iPhone is not a bad thing.

Of course not; it's a nice freebie, but don't use it to dismiss its other shortcomings.

kono

Sorry, somehow you assumed I was defending this piece of crap. 

[konofo]

Sorry, somewhere you assumed I was defending this piece of crap. 

The thing has WiFi, that's pretty much everywhere now and free to users, and faster than 3G.  Good enough.

Wonder where I got that impression.

kono

[pissclams]

Or maybe you have the inability to differentiate the difference between someone who recognizes value from the inclusion of WiFi capabilities in any type of phone and can assign a value or lack thereof to that particular feature, and someone who cannot. 

My point earlier was that until Apple engineers can design their battery to withstand the demands that 3G presents, WiFi can meet the needs of their intended users in a fashion that would be considered "good enough".

hth.

[KSU4ME]

The inclusion of WiFi on the iPhone is not a bad thing.  I'm not sure where you live but there aren't problems accessing WiFi coverage in any semi-major city.  You're not "chained" to a point of coverage... Am I going to have a problem hitting a WiFi spot from my duck blind in Tonganoxie?  Probably.  Shucks?  Would it be great if Apple was able to find a way to include 3G capability and still maintain a somewhat respectable battery life? Of course.

QFNT

You have no idea what you're talking about.  Drive from downtown to mid-town on any major street and you will experience MANY dead spots in Wi-Fi coverage.  And even where there is coverage, it's often different networks overlapping, meaning you will lose connectivity with one network and have to wait to connect to the next.  Gee, that's a great user experience!

What you're talking about needing isn't Wi-Fi, but WiMAX.  And that's not available until 2008 at the earliest, and it isn't going to be ATT to first roll it out. 

The inclusion of Wi-Fi in the iPhone isn't a bad thing, it just doesn't buy you much.  And it still restricts you to Wi-Fi hotspots.

[konofo]

My point earlier was that until Apple engineers can design their battery to withstand the demands that 3G presents, WiFi can meet the needs of their intended users in a fashion that would be considered "good enough".

Well, "intended users" is a hell of a qualifier.  I suppose my expectations disqualify me for membership.  Since you weren't mentioning these "intended users" earlier, I could only take "good enough" as a more global assertion.  Oh well.

Coincidentally, I'm posting this from a laptop with a 3G card on AT&T's network.  I was back in Kansas recently, but I couldn't get HSDPA coverage in Wichita.  The 2G connection was miserable, so I flipped to Wi-Fi posthaste.

kono

[pissclams]

The inclusion of WiFi on the iPhone is not a bad thing.  I'm not sure where you live but there aren't problems accessing WiFi coverage in any semi-major city.  You're not "chained" to a point of coverage... Am I going to have a problem hitting a WiFi spot from my duck blind in Tonganoxie?  Probably.  Shucks?  Would it be great if Apple was able to find a way to include 3G capability and still maintain a somewhat respectable battery life? Of course.

QFNT

You have no idea what you're talking about.  Drive from downtown to mid-town on any major street and you will experience MANY dead spots in Wi-Fi coverage.  And even where there is coverage, it's often different networks overlapping, meaning you will lose connectivity with one network and have to wait to connect to the next.  Gee, that's a great user experience!

What you're talking about needing isn't Wi-Fi, but WiMAX.  And that's not available until 2008 at the earliest, and it isn't going to be ATT to first roll it out. 

The inclusion of Wi-Fi in the iPhone isn't a bad thing, it just doesn't buy you much.  And it still restricts you to Wi-Fi hotspots.

Ok.  Let me start slowly since you're a mongoloid.  Anyone driving from downtown to mid-town on any major street doesn't need to be using 3G or WiFi.  The iPHone is a tool of convenience, not a damn connection card.  I know the difference between Wifi and WiMax.  I work at Sprint and we're busy everyday leveraging our future w/ our 4G plans. 

My point earlier was that until Apple engineers can design their battery to withstand the demands that 3G presents, WiFi can meet the needs of their intended users in a fashion that would be considered "good enough".

Well, "intended users" is a hell of a qualifier.  I suppose my expectations disqualify me for membership.  Since you weren't mentioning these "intended users" earlier, I could only take "good enough" as a more global assertion.  Oh well.

Coincidentally, I'm posting this from a laptop with a 3G card on AT&T's network.  I was back in Kansas recently, but I couldn't get HSDPA coverage in Wichita.  The 2G connection was miserable, so I flipped to Wi-Fi posthaste.

kono

Do you know what the term "Good enough" implies?

[konofo]

Ok.  Let me start slowly since you're a mongoloid.  Anyone driving from downtown to mid-town on any major street doesn't need to be using 3G or WiFi.  The iPHone is a tool of convenience, not a damn connection card.  I know the difference between Wifi and WiMax.  I work at Sprint and we're busy everyday leveraging our future w/ our 4G plans. 

Do you know what the term "Good enough" implies?

Company slogan? 

kono

P.S.  Allow me to save you a couple minutes on the phone later on:  Please put me on your do-not-call list, thanks!

[KSU4ME]

Ok.  Let me start slowly since you're a mongoloid.  Anyone driving from downtown to mid-town on any major street doesn't need to be using 3G or WiFi.  The iPHone is a tool of convenience, not a damn connection card.  I know the difference between Wifi and WiMax.  I work at Sprint and we're busy everyday leveraging our future w/ our 4G plans. 

If it can't be used on a mobile basis, what's the added benefit to the user? 

And you're absolutely, completely and utterly full of it when you say that with Wi-Fi on the iPhone "You're not "chained" to a point of coverage"

This all goes back to the point that Apple delayed the launch in Europe so they could build out a 3G capability.  The products that folks want with significant bandwidth demand on a mobile device can't be reasonably supported by Wi-Fi.  If they could, Euros would be getting Wi-Fi iPhones now. 

[pissclams]

Ok you guys win, the iPhone is the best phone ever. 

[fatty fat fat]

Ok you guys win, the iPhone is the best phone ever. 

don't worry, i side with you.

[KSU4ME]

Ok you guys win, the iPhone is the best phone ever. 

Tell your network buddies building out 4G that Wi-Fi doesn't chain you to a point of coverage.

They need a laugh.  So does Motorola.