06-07 Review: Layups, Tips, and dunks (From K-state Stats)

[michigancat]

Kind of interesting.  Walker was incredible around the rim.

http://kstatestats.blogspot.com/

[ksuno1stunner]

Hopefully, a 100% Blake Young will learn how to finish.  Wasn't that supposed to be his strength?

[michigancat]

Hopefully, a 100% Blake Young will learn how to finish.  Wasn't that supposed to be his strength?

Good point.  Didn't notice how horrible he was at layups, too.

[catzacker]

Blake Young really does suck. 

[bigdeal]

Hey Rusty,  just have to say thanks for the efforts!  It is always interesting to see statistical breakdowns of the team...particularly with a new and possibly insightful spin.    OK, it's not always interesting (no hair length vs. free throw shooting comparisons needed) but these seem to be good so far.   

[Kat Kid]

Interesting, amazing, thought-provoking.

You rock Rusty.

[fatty fat fat]

Interesting, amazing, thought-provoking.

You rock Rusty.

true, but our blake young fan club is quickly becoming [insert us city during certain time period that lost major population]

[michigancat]

Interesting, amazing, thought-provoking.

You rock Rusty.

true, but our blake young fan club is quickly becoming [insert us city during certain time period that lost major population]

I feel dumber for supporting Blake than I do for getting Huggins hired.



Seriously, though - Bill Walker is in-freaking-credible, right?   

[fatty fat fat]

YES. We potentially have two of the top 5 picks in the 2008 draft playing for us this season. (nancat is dumb's)

Again, savor it like the 98 football season.

[coitus]

what i've learned from the stats blog:
- it isn't just hoskins, most the damn team can't hit a jumper
- lance harris coulda been a playa
- bennett had a tremendous and underappreciated impact on the game

[catzacker]

YES. We potentially have two of the top 5 picks in the 2008 draft playing for us this season. (nancat is dumb's)

Again, savor it like the 98 football season.

Exactly.  During my time at KSU '96-00, we lost 2 home games.  I wouldn't have left games early in the 4th, late in the 3rd back then had I of known we'd lose 2 or more home games each year the past 3 years. 

[waks]

Interesting, amazing, thought-provoking.

You rock Rusty.

true, but our blake young fan club is quickly becoming [insert us city during certain time period that lost major population]

Flint, Michigan

[chum1]

what i've learned from the stats blog:
- it isn't just hoskins, most the damn team can't hit a jumper
- lance harris coulda been a playa
- bennett had a tremendous and underappreciated impact on the game

- we should take more shots closer to the basket

Crazy stuff.  Man.

[goCATSgo]

Blake Young really does suck. 

so BY comes into D1 bb with an injured knee and is still better than someone who had played 2 years of D1 prior to this year (stew). might i add more explosive, quickness, elevation with an injured knee, and all you guys want to do is bash on him. BY will be the starting pg next year because he is simply better than anyone else on the team at that position

[coitus]

what i've learned from the stats blog:
- it isn't just hoskins, most the damn team can't hit a jumper
- lance harris coulda been a playa
- bennett had a tremendous and underappreciated impact on the game

- we should take more shots closer to the basket

Crazy stuff.  Man.

don't agree with that.  we just shouldn't have shot jumpers.  threes were ok, so long as it was the right guys.

[catzacker]

Blake Young really does suck. 

so BY comes into D1 bb with an injured knee and is still better than someone who had played 2 years of D1 prior to this year (stew). might i add more explosive, quickness, elevation with an injured knee, and all you guys want to do is bash on him. BY will be the starting pg next year because he is simply better than anyone else on the team at that position

He's not better.  Look at the stats.  If you want to blame is knee on not being able to hit tips and layups, fine. 

[michigancat]

Blake Young really does suck. 

so BY comes into D1 bb with an injured knee and is still better than someone who had played 2 years of D1 prior to this year (stew). might i add more explosive, quickness, elevation with an injured knee, and all you guys want to do is bash on him. BY will be the starting pg next year because he is simply better than anyone else on the team at that position

He's not better.  Look at the stats.  If you want to blame is knee on not being able to hit tips and layups, fine. 

Young does the following things better than Stewart:

He gets to the line twice as much per FGA.

He has more assists/team FGA when he's on the floor.

He has fewer turnovers/possession.

[ksu_FAN]

Blake Young really does suck. 

so BY comes into D1 bb with an injured knee and is still better than someone who had played 2 years of D1 prior to this year (stew). might i add more explosive, quickness, elevation with an injured knee, and all you guys want to do is bash on him. BY will be the starting pg next year because he is simply better than anyone else on the team at that position

Stew had knee surgery before the season last year too, FWIW. 

Young and Stew have different strengths.  Both will play 20+ minutes per game next year, some at 2G.

[chum1]

what i've learned from the stats blog:
- it isn't just hoskins, most the damn team can't hit a jumper
- lance harris coulda been a playa
- bennett had a tremendous and underappreciated impact on the game

- we should take more shots closer to the basket

Crazy stuff.  Man.

don't agree with that.  we just shouldn't have shot jumpers.  threes were ok, so long as it was the right guys.

You're not disagreeing - just supplementing.  Here's a disagreement.  It's stupid to conclude based solely on field goal percentages that a team should take more inside shots.  It's already a given that field goal percentages are higher for shots taken closer to the basket.  As a result, all teams take as many inside shots as they can.  Suggesting that a team should do it more based solely on the better results it yields is like suggesting that a horse that is particularly fast down the stretch should run down the stretch twice at the Kentucky Derby in order to improve its time.  Both the team and the horse are already doing each of these things as much as they can.

[catzacker]

Blake Young really does suck. 

so BY comes into D1 bb with an injured knee and is still better than someone who had played 2 years of D1 prior to this year (stew). might i add more explosive, quickness, elevation with an injured knee, and all you guys want to do is bash on him. BY will be the starting pg next year because he is simply better than anyone else on the team at that position

He's not better.  Look at the stats.  If you want to blame is knee on not being able to hit tips and layups, fine. 

Young does the following things better than Stewart:

He gets to the line twice as much per FGA.

He has more assists/team FGA when he's on the floor.

He has fewer turnovers/possession.

Besides the foul line, aren't the rest of those stats relatively close?  If you average out points, assists, turnovers, field goals made over number of minutes played, they are relatively even...Stew is better at 3pt field goals made per minutes played and doesn't foul as much as Blake does per minute played. 

[pissclams]

While neither is a threat on offense, Stew's offensive upside is greater than Young's, that's good enough for me.*


*I'm referring to Stew's ability to provide a somewhat legit 3 pt threat vs. Blake's ability to drive baseline and get his layup attempt thrown 40 feet into the stands.  Blake probably gets to more loose balls on offense than Stew just because he's more active and that should somehow factor into his contribution on offense.  Hopefully Russell's stats prove that I'm not loco.

[michigancat]

Besides the foul line, aren't the rest of those stats relatively close?  If you average out points, assists, turnovers, field goals made over number of minutes played, they are relatively even...Stew is better at 3pt field goals made per minutes played and doesn't fould as much as Blake does per minute played. 

Actually, the assists are virtually identical.  The TO Rate is fairly significant, but that could be because Young wasn't the primary ball handler all the time, while Stew generally was.  I forgot about steals, too - Blake got 2.5 times more steals/possession than Stewart.

I'd agree it's probably a wash or slight advantage for Stew because of the three point shooting.  Both are pretty bad options. 

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No Player                    Ht   Wt Yr    ARate      TORate     %Blocks    %Stls      FTM-FTA  Pct    FGM-FGA  Pct    FGM-FGA  Pct
34 Akeem Wright             6-6  190 Sr    16.8        17.5        2.1       1.9        47-79  .595     73-175 .417     11-45  .244
15 David Hoskins            6-5  225 Jr    21.0 390    18.7        1.0       2.1       171-231 .740    149-296 .503     13-63  .206
20 Cartier Martin           6-8  220 Sr    11.8        13.1 107    0.9       1.5       127-159 .799    119-226 .527     78-202 .386
 3 Lance Harris             6-5  190 Sr    15.9        16.6 470    2.1       0.9        38-57  .667     74-139 .532     59-157 .376
 5 Clent Stewart            6-4  195 Jr    21.9 349    28.5        0.0       1.3        33-49  .673     38-89  .427     39-107 .364
 2 Blake Young              6-2  180 Jr    22.0 342    22.7        0.3       3.5 114    52-81  .642     40-101 .396     18-57  .316
23 Jermaine Maybank         6-4  179 Sr    18.3        29.8        0.9       2.2        44-61  .721     30-60  .500      4-16  .250
55 Jason Bennett            7-3  265 Fr     4.3        19.0       15.7       0.3        14-28  .500     19-39  .487      0-0   .000
50 Luis Colon               6-10 260 Fr     8.3        21.8        2.7       1.3        15-22  .682     21-40  .525      0-0   .000
42 Darren Kent              6-10 210 So     7.0        31.5        2.8       1.1         0-4   .000      7-16  .438      1-11  .091
   Best                                    47.0         7.4       20.5       6.9   

[fatty fat fat]

God, what I'd do for Duane Davis for one year....

[nancat]

Those are interesting stats Rusty. Good stuff. Nancat not to dumb. Nancat like FOX news, fair & balanced. Bill better shoot better than 17% on those jumpshots if he is going to be a guard in the NBA. At 6'4", 6'5", or 6'6", take your pick, he won't be getting to the rim in the league like he does in college. Got to be able to knock down shots at the position he will play in the league. Nancat just might be wiser than you think, fat one. 

 

[michigancat]

Those are interesting stats Rusty. Good stuff. Nancat not to dumb. Nancat like FOX news, fair & balanced. Bill better shoot better than 17% on those jumpshots if he is going to be a guard in the NBA. At 6'4", 6'5", or 6'6", take your pick, he won't be getting to the rim in the league like he does in college. Got to be able to knock down shots at the position he will play in the league. Nancat just might be wiser than you think, fat one. 

 

Send it to Jim!

I'd do the UC-R ???s for him.

[nancat]

He's probably gonna need a good stat guy out there.  You available?

[michigancat]

Yes!

I coach jump shooting, too.

[SUPERKSUFAN]

God, what I'd do for Duane Davis for one year....

How about Massey with this years recruits....that is such a wonderful dream

[coitus]

what i've learned from the stats blog:
- it isn't just hoskins, most the damn team can't hit a jumper
- lance harris coulda been a playa
- bennett had a tremendous and underappreciated impact on the game

- we should take more shots closer to the basket

Crazy stuff.  Man.

don't agree with that.  we just shouldn't have shot jumpers.  threes were ok, so long as it was the right guys.

You're not disagreeing - just supplementing.  Here's a disagreement.  It's stupid to conclude based solely on field goal percentages that a team should take more inside shots.  It's already a given that field goal percentages are higher for shots taken closer to the basket.  As a result, all teams take as many inside shots as they can.  Suggesting that a team should do it more based solely on the better results it yields is like suggesting that a horse that is particularly fast down the stretch should run down the stretch twice at the Kentucky Derby in order to improve its time.  Both the team and the horse are already doing each of these things as much as they can.

pssst.  hey jackass.  you're the one that had the "stupid" conclusion that the team should take more inside shots.  you've gone in a complete circle, and have just called yourself stupid, complete with a horse fetish analogy.

[nancat]

hope he like fillies