Thank you KC Star. K-State must now take action!!!

[DrunkoMcGee]

Attn: Haters

1)  Look up Jamie Dixon's resume at the time he was hired by Pitt.
2)  Compare to Frank Martin's
3)  STFU

So you have about a 1 in 100 shot that Frank Martin becomes Jamie Dixon.  Fair enough.  Because seriously, Jamie Dixon is about the only guy that has a resume even close to as bare as what Frank Martin has that has had success at a big time level.  Dixon coached under Howland for years though.  Martin coached under Huggy(not as good as Howland) for 2 years.

And really, you are bringing me Jose Juan Barea as the evidence that Frank Martin is a big time recruiter at a Big 12 level?  LOL. 

LOL  Juan Jose Barea plays for the Dallas Mavericks.  How many Big 12 teams wouldn't take a NBA point guard?  I'm embarassed for you.

I know he plays for the Mavs.  He averages 4 minutes per game in 30 games played this season.  And while I'm sure Barea is a fine player and he turned into a very good player, he wasn't some heralded recruit.  Who were the other schools fighting over the services of Barea?  

[mjrod]

I just wanted to thank Rusty for solidifying my argument by introducing Jaime Dixon into the discussion. Dixon, who was a somewhat questionable hire by Pitt at the time, started coaching D1 ball in 1991.

Frank Martin didn't start coaching HIGH SCHOOL ball until 1993.

Which means what?

[michigancat]

I just wanted to thank Rusty for solidifying my argument by introducing Jaime Dixon into the discussion. Dixon, who was a somewhat questionable hire by Pitt at the time, started coaching D1 ball in 1991.

Frank Martin didn't start coaching HIGH SCHOOL ball until 1993.

Makes sense to compare the experience of hires made 4 years apart based on starting dates.

I know he plays for the Mavs.  He averages 4 minutes per game in 30 games played this season.  And while I'm sure Barea is a fine player and he turned into a very good player, he wasn't some heralded recruit?  Who were the other schools fighting over the services of Barea? 

Who did Dixon recruit that was that good to Northern Arizona?  Heck, who did he recruit to Pitt as an assistant that's in the league?

[DrunkoMcGee]

I just wanted to thank Rusty for solidifying my argument by introducing Jaime Dixon into the discussion. Dixon, who was a somewhat questionable hire by Pitt at the time, started coaching D1 ball in 1991.

Frank Martin didn't start coaching HIGH SCHOOL ball until 1993.

Which means what?

It means you have the most underqualified coach in regards to resume to get a job in a BCS conference in recent memory.  

The head coach and assistant head coach have a combined 11 years of college coaching experience.  Both are considered recruiters.  It's an unprecidented move for a high major school to put one of the revenue sports in the hands of guys that are such unknowns.

[AzCat]

Martin retained Hill, between the two of them they're responsible for bringing in the #1 class in the country.  When's the last time the #1 class in the nation (including the #1 player in the natio) was headed to KSU?  We'll see how well Martin recruits in future years but for the moment, judged solely on incoming talent, his connections would appear to be better than those of any other coach in the nation, no?

No. You can't give too much credit to Martin for bringing in the number 1 recruiting class because we all know that Hill and Huggins had a hell of a lot more to do with that then Martin did.

If that's true why did they all decide to stick around to play for Martin when they could have chosen to follow Huggins, who had "a lot more to do with it", to WVU?   

[michigancat]

It means you have the most underqualified coach in regards to resume to get a job in a BCS conference in recent memory. 

The head coach and assistant head coach have a combined 11 years of college coaching experience.  Both are considered recruiters.  It's an unprecidented move for a high major school to put one of the revenue sports in the hands of guys that are such unknowns.

He also happens to have the best initial recruiting class of any first-year BCS coach in recent memory.  Nice.

I wouldn't trade Michael Beasley, Bill Walker, or Dom Sutton for a couple years on the the bench in the "Thunderdome".

[mjrod]

I just wanted to thank Rusty for solidifying my argument by introducing Jaime Dixon into the discussion. Dixon, who was a somewhat questionable hire by Pitt at the time, started coaching D1 ball in 1991.

Frank Martin didn't start coaching HIGH SCHOOL ball until 1993.

Which means what?

It means you have the most underqualified coach in regards to resume to get a job in a BCS conference in recent memory. 

The head coach and assistant head coach have a combined 11 years of college coaching experience.  Both are considered recruiters.  It's an unprecidented move for a high major school to put one of the revenue sports in the hands of guys that are such unknowns.

Rusty has already shown the resumes of the coaches and you somehow have managed to add a slant to it the goes against the facts. 

And I like the fact they are good recruiters.  I think that's a plus.

[yosh]

Attn: Haters

1)  Look up Jamie Dixon's resume at the time he was hired by Pitt.
2)  Compare to Frank Martin's
3)  STFU

So you have about a 1 in 100 shot that Frank Martin becomes Jamie Dixon.  Fair enough.  Because seriously, Jamie Dixon is about the only guy that has a resume even close to as bare as what Frank Martin has that has had success at a big time level.  Dixon coached under Howland for years though.  Martin coached under Huggy(not as good as Howland) for 2 years.

And really, you are bringing me Jose Juan Barea as the evidence that Frank Martin is a big time recruiter at a Big 12 level?  LOL. 

LOL  Juan Jose Barea plays for the Dallas Mavericks.  How many Big 12 teams wouldn't take a NBA point guard?  I'm embarassed for you.

I know he plays for the Mavs.  He averages 4 minutes per game in 30 games played this season.  And while I'm sure Barea is a fine player and he turned into a very good player, he wasn't some heralded recruit.  Who were the other schools fighting over the services of Barea?  

Who cares?  Recruiting is more than just looking up the Rivals list and fighting with Kentucky and Duke for the big dogs.  If Martin can bring in a guy that will be an NBA player, even a scrub in the NBA, why on earth do I care who else was after him?  Finding the diamonds in the rough is part of recruiting too.  It wasn't like he was a project or something.  He started every game since day 1 at Northeastern.  

[AzCat]

Jamie Dixon is about the only guy that has a resume even close to as bare as what Frank Martin has that has had success at a big time level.  Dixon coached under Howland for years though.  Martin coached under Huggy(not as good as Howland) for 2 years.

Yeah, I can tell Howland is far better than The Scumbag by comparing his 130-ish wins as a HC to The Scumbag's nearly 600.   

And Martin's short 2 year stint guarantees that his recruiting ties are fresher than were Dixon's.

[DrunkoMcGee]

It means you have the most underqualified coach in regards to resume to get a job in a BCS conference in recent memory. 

The head coach and assistant head coach have a combined 11 years of college coaching experience.  Both are considered recruiters.  It's an unprecidented move for a high major school to put one of the revenue sports in the hands of guys that are such unknowns.

He also happens to have the best initial recruiting class of any first-year BCS coach in recent memory.  Nice.

I wouldn't trade Michael Beasley, Bill Walker, or Dom Sutton for a couple years on the the bench in the "Thunderdome".

First, I enjoy how you guys act like Sutton is some great recruit that is even close to Beasley or Walker.  Second, it's funny that you think that Martin's lack of experience doesn't matter.  

We'll see what happens.  It'll be interesting.  

[mjrod]

It means you have the most underqualified coach in regards to resume to get a job in a BCS conference in recent memory. 

The head coach and assistant head coach have a combined 11 years of college coaching experience.  Both are considered recruiters.  It's an unprecidented move for a high major school to put one of the revenue sports in the hands of guys that are such unknowns.

He also happens to have the best initial recruiting class of any first-year BCS coach in recent memory.  Nice.

I wouldn't trade Michael Beasley, Bill Walker, or Dom Sutton for a couple years on the the bench in the "Thunderdome".

First, I enjoy how you guys act like Sutton is some great recruit that is even close to Beasley or Walker.  Second, it's funny that you think that Martin's lack of experience doesn't matter. 

We'll see what happens.  It'll be interesting. 

Yeah, when you finally get your first shot at being a head coach, generally, lack of experience at being a head coach is a given.

[J Rake]

The coaching carousel is like the roulette wheel:

It. Has. No. Memory.

Arguing about Jamie Dixon at Pitt, or any other
coach who has succeeded (or failed) will have
no impact on how Frank Martin does at K-State.

[michigancat]

First, I enjoy how you guys act like Sutton is some great recruit that is even close to Beasley or Walker.  Second, it's funny that you think that Martin's lack of experience doesn't matter. 

We'll see what happens.  It'll be interesting. 

Sutton, Pullen, and Brown aren't elite, which makes them almost more important than Beasley.  Without those guys, not only is next year shot, but so is our nucleus for the next 4.  Not cool.

I recognize Martin lacks experience, just like Dixon did.  However, a #1 recruiting class kind of makes me feel a little better about his chances than 3 years at Bmidiji State would have.

[DrunkoMcGee]

Attn: Haters

1)  Look up Jamie Dixon's resume at the time he was hired by Pitt.
2)  Compare to Frank Martin's
3)  STFU

So you have about a 1 in 100 shot that Frank Martin becomes Jamie Dixon.  Fair enough.  Because seriously, Jamie Dixon is about the only guy that has a resume even close to as bare as what Frank Martin has that has had success at a big time level.  Dixon coached under Howland for years though.  Martin coached under Huggy(not as good as Howland) for 2 years.

And really, you are bringing me Jose Juan Barea as the evidence that Frank Martin is a big time recruiter at a Big 12 level?  LOL. 

LOL  Juan Jose Barea plays for the Dallas Mavericks.  How many Big 12 teams wouldn't take a NBA point guard?  I'm embarassed for you.

I know he plays for the Mavs.  He averages 4 minutes per game in 30 games played this season.  And while I'm sure Barea is a fine player and he turned into a very good player, he wasn't some heralded recruit.  Who were the other schools fighting over the services of Barea?  

Who cares?  Recruiting is more than just looking up the Rivals list and fighting with Kentucky and Duke for the big dogs.  If Martin can bring in a guy that will be an NBA player, even a scrub in the NBA, why on earth do I care who else was after him?  Finding the diamonds in the rough is part of recruiting too.  It wasn't like he was a project or something.  He started every game since day 1 at Northeastern.  

Absolutely, recruiting is more than looking at some list and fighting with Kentucky or Duke, but you have 1 example from his days at Northeastern of how Martin found one good diamond in the rough.  The other examples are Luis Colon and other unknowns at Cincy.  

You hired a head coach whose best resume point is Jose Juan Barea.  Nice work.

[michigancat]

The coaching carousel is like the roulette wheel:

It. Has. No. Memory.

Arguing about Jamie Dixon at Pitt, or any other
coach who has succeeded (or failed) will have
no impact on how Frank Martin does at K-State.

Fun fact about message boards: Nothing said on them ever has an impact on how teams actually do.

[rundown87]

you guys sure make yourselves look like asses.  making fun of a kid who probabaly has it better off then most on this board.  seriously is this message board your guys lives?  do you have a life outside of following my every word and then angrily making accusations that are not only funny, but couldn't be farther from the truth.  its a message board losers.  

lol he called us funny.  that's good cause that's what we go for on here.

[TheShocker]

I just wanted to thank Rusty for solidifying my argument by introducing Jaime Dixon into the discussion. Dixon, who was a somewhat questionable hire by Pitt at the time, started coaching D1 ball in 1991.

Frank Martin didn't start coaching HIGH SCHOOL ball until 1993.

Which means what?

It means that Dixon had a crapload more D1 coaching experience than Martin when they each were promoted to head coach. Rusty was arguing that Dixon was successful despite his lack of experience. I countered by pointing out that Dixon looked like seasoned veteran compared to Martin's resume.

Next time try actually reading the thread before chiming in.

[doom]

You guys sure make yourselves look like asses by making fun of a kid who probabaly has it better off than most on this board.  Seriously, is this message board you guys' lives?  Do you have a life outside of following my every word and then angrily making accusations that are not only funny, and couldn't be farther from the truth?  It's a message board, losers.  

MissChandlerBong,
I have took the liberty of adding grammar and punctuation to your post.  I have a hard enough time reading your bullcrap.  The least you could do is make it readable.  

[coitus]

It means that Dixon had a @#%$load more D1 coaching experience than Martin when they each were promoted to head coach. Rusty was arguing that Dixon was successful despite his lack of experience. I countered by pointing out that Dixon looked like seasoned veteran compared to Martin's resume.

Next time try actually reading the thread before chiming in.

frank martin had 7 years d1 coaching prior to getting named hc.

how many did dixon have?

[TheShocker]

Jaime Dixon had 12 years of D1 experience (including 4 years as the Associate Head Coach at a Big East school) before he was named a head coach.

[mjrod]

I just wanted to thank Rusty for solidifying my argument by introducing Jaime Dixon into the discussion. Dixon, who was a somewhat questionable hire by Pitt at the time, started coaching D1 ball in 1991.

Frank Martin didn't start coaching HIGH SCHOOL ball until 1993.

Which means what?

It means that Dixon had a @#%$load more D1 coaching experience than Martin when they each were promoted to head coach. Rusty was arguing that Dixon was successful despite his lack of experience. I countered by pointing out that Dixon looked like seasoned veteran compared to Martin's resume.

Next time try actually reading the thread before chiming in.

You guys make the argument that KSU doesn't have an experience coach.

Rusty counters with an example of a success story.  You counter that the resume isn't the same based on minor spatial points.  The two coaches aren't the same, yet they have "similar" circumstances..  for some reason, you believe that minor point is a disadvantage to Martin, without explaining why.