Thank you KC Star. K-State must now take action!!!

[JesusShuttlesworth]

After reading that article for the third time in the KC Star by three different authors referencing the same source information, here is what I have gathered:

- 10 years ago, Frank Martin knew about, took part in, or possibly even orchestrated a system through which kids gave false addresses so that they could play on his high school team.  Also, at a charity function, Martin pointed out a reporter who wrote a derogatory article about him to some of his friends in what sounds like may have been a threatening nature. 

- Although Martin was fired from his high school coaching job 10 years ago and had one state title taken away in the late 90's, he has never fully apologized (to whom I have no idea) for being a bad, bad boy or made proper restitution to all of the individuals who were hurt by his actions (again, who this would be I have no idea). 

In summary, Frank Martin should be required to issue a public apology to all of those affected by his actions (whoever they may be?).  Immediately thereafter, he should be publicly flogged.  Then, and only then, should he be allowed to move on with his life. 

Come on K-State.  Do the right thing.  Force an apology to somebody and then flog Martin.  The Big 12 is counting on you. 

[Stillwater Cat]

I could care less about FM's past history...the same way I felt about BH. What I find amusing in all of this is that it took the local media 379 days to find out about him.  Apparently it wasn't a big deal until this past Monday for some reason.   

[SUPERKSUFAN]

I could care less about FM's past history...the same way I felt about BH. What I find amusing in all of this is that it took the local media 379 days to find out about him.  Apparently it wasn't a big deal until this past Monday for some reason.   

best post of the day.... 

[BullHawkWheel]

It kind of becomes a big deal when 18 years olds b*tch slap your ad and force him to hire not 1, but 2 cheaters for head coaches.

[coitus]

It kind of becomes a big deal when 18 years olds b*tch slap your ad and force him to hire not 1, but 2 cheaters for head coaches.

bill self and mark mangino?

[SUPERKSUFAN]

LOL - and Chalmers dad being hired on ku's coaching staff wasn't because of his son's playing ability?

[KSUTOMMY]

It kind of becomes a big deal when 18 years olds b*tch slap your ad and force him to hire not 1, but 2 cheaters for head coaches.

As usual, you make a great point - the only problem is that these "people" that Martin has allegedly done wrong things to are just that "people". He has done nothing at KSU, he will do nothing illegal or immoral at KSU, and things should be OK. It's all-right that you are scared as a Gay U fan, I would be too... BTW, how are those NCAA sanctions treating you... REMEMBER your school was found to be guilty of cheating, KSU has been found guilty of nothing.

ENJOY!

[sonofdaxjones]

It kind of becomes a big deal when 18 years olds b*tch slap your ad and force him to hire not 1, but 2 cheaters for head coaches.

Allen, Harp, Owens, Brown, Williams, Self . . . all put ku basketball on probation.

[steve dave]

It kind of becomes a big deal when 18 years olds b*tch slap your ad and force him to hire not 1, but 2 cheaters for head coaches.

Cheaters?  You are a ku fan right?  The ignorance of this post just boggles the mind.  My God I am glad you are not a KSU grad.  What a slap to the face of the university, highschool, trade college, grade school, kindergarten or daycare you attended.  Also, your parents must be extremely embarresed of you.  Probabley explains a lot in retrospect for you I imagine.

[steve dave]

LOL - and Chalmers dad being hired on ku's coaching staff wasn't because of his son's playing ability?

Don't forget about The Danny Five featuring Truck Drivin' Daddy.  That one also turned into probation if I recall.  What a sordid history of being found guilty of fraud and cheating....tsk..tsk.

[BW]

LOL - and Chalmers dad being hired on ku's coaching staff wasn't because of his son's playing ability?

Don't forget about The Danny Five featuring Truck Drivin' Daddy.  That one also turned into probation if I recall.  What a sordid history of being found guilty of fraud and cheating....tsk..tsk.

[AzCat]

[BullHawkWheel]

you guys sure make yourselves look like asses.  making fun of a kid who probabaly has it better off then most on this board.  seriously is this message board your guys lives?  do you have a life outside of following my every word and then angrily making accusations that are not only funny, but couldn't be farther from the truth.  its a message board losers.  

[WildCatzPhreak]

Yeah.  ku fans tend to conveniently forget they're currently on probation for cheating.  I've been reminding them when they criticize K-state for hiring a coach that cheated.

Many are still in denial.  Some of the popular retaliations: "ku's probation isn't as big of a deal." (You're right, scholarships being revoked and academic fraud are much better than someone who recruited while in high school ten years ago.)  "Noone's talking about us cheating so your cheating is obviously worse." (My personal favorite!  Media attention = justification for cheaters criticizing another school for hiring a cheater.) "Yeah, well at least ku didn't hire a cheater." (No, they gave him a raise to 1.5 million instead.)

[steve dave]

is this message board your guys lives?  do you have a life outside of following my every word

Says the idiot with 380 posts on another team's message board.   

[BullHawkWheel]

same as the idiots who continue to take my bait.  ask stunner what the real bong is like.  you wouldnt meet a nicer, happier kid than me.  all of this is for fun.  nothing more than fun.  i dopnt give a crap what happens really at ksu.  hell we have lost to you guys once since 1994, and that one was a fluke.  it is just funny to see all the loser ksu fans get their panties in a bunch when i make fun of ksu.  they take it so personally, yet they are too dumb to realize if they dont respond,  i will probabaly go away.  real smart kitties.

[cireksu]

"you wouldnt meet a nicer, happier kid than me."

that's because you are probably a douchebag, and have to be nice to everyone or you would not have friends, you take out your agression on anonymous message boards because of all of your pent up angst.

[steve dave]

i dopnt give a @#%$ what happens really at ksu. it is just funny to see all the loser ksu fans get their panties in a bunch when i make fun of ksu.  they take it so personally

Says the kid with 381 posts on a non-rivals message board while melting down.  

[BullHawkWheel]

yep you nailed it.  hahaha.  how lond till a psychological evaluation comes out on me?  you guys must be psychic.  you know who i am from only reading a message board!!  keep the replys coming.

[cireksu]

yep you nailed it.  hahaha.  how lond till a psychological evaluation comes out on me?  you guys must be psychic.  you know who i am from only reading a message board!!  keep the replys coming.

not hard, I think there must be a little douchbag in all of us to post on message boards.

[KSUTOMMY]

same as the idiots who continue to take my bait.  ask stunner what the real bong is like.  you wouldnt meet a nicer, happier kid than me.  all of this is for fun.  nothing more than fun.  i dopnt give a @#%$ what happens really at ksu.  hell we have lost to you guys once since 1994, and that one was a fluke.  it is just funny to see all the loser ksu fans get their panties in a bunch when i make fun of ksu.  they take it so personally, yet they are too dumb to realize if they dont respond,  i will probabaly go away.  real smart kitties.

Yeah, my every move in life revolves around whether or not you post on this site... sigh, what would I do if you left? No, actually - it is hypocritic fans who get bashed (like yourself) and furthermore, by thinking that we all just wait on your every word, proves that your very existence is troglodytic at best. Oh, I dont agree that you all gave a 1.5 mil raise to a cheater... Fat Man Gino is more like 2.5 cheaters.  

[SUPERKSUFAN]

you guys sure make yourselves look like asses.  making fun of a kid who probabaly has it better off then most on this board.  seriously is this message board your guys lives?  do you have a life outside of following my every word and then angrily making accusations that are not only funny, but couldn't be farther from the truth.  its a message board losers.  

We are just trying to share the love with you....are you saying that you don't want to be our
"friend" anymore?

[catdude33]

same as the idiots who continue to take my bait.  ask stunner what the real bong is like.  you wouldnt meet a nicer, happier kid than me.  all of this is for fun.  nothing more than fun.  i dopnt give a @#%$ what happens really at ksu.  hell we have lost to you guys once since 1994, and that one was a fluke.  it is just funny to see all the loser ksu fans get their panties in a bunch when i make fun of ksu.  they take it so personally, yet they are too dumb to realize if they dont respond,  i will probabaly go away.  real smart kitties.

Serious Question:  Do you honestly believe that you're somehow "cool" or "clever" because you come on an opposing teams message board and post crap and then read people's replies?  Honestly.  I'm not mad or annoyed, I guess I just don't understand this way of thinking.

[TheShocker]

You guys are either naive or you're willingly ignoring the real reasons for the fuss about Frank Martin. The fact that he had the issues at the high school in Miami, by itself, is not a big deal.

The real problem is that this guy is not qualified to be a head coach at a BCS school. If you look at his experience as an assistant at the D1 level, what you'll find is very underwhelming. So you keep looking and you get to the "impressive" part of his resume. Some pretty good success at a high school in Miami. That's still not enough to consider him qualified to be a D1 head coach at a BCS school but at least this information leads you to believe that there might be some hope for the guy.
At least until you realize that he (or others around him) cheated to obtain that success.

What it all boils down to is that it doesn't really matter whether Martin himself cheated or not. All that matters is you just hired a guy who only has one semi-impressive thing on his resume - a good run on the high school level that was tainted by accusations of cheating.
 

[ksu_FAN]

You guys are either naive or you're willingly ignoring the real reasons for the fuss about Frank Martin. The fact that he had the issues at the high school in Miami, by itself, is not a big deal.

The real problem is that this guy is not qualified to be a head coach at a BCS school. If you look at his experience as an assistant at the D1 level, what you'll find is very underwhelming. So you keep looking and you get to the "impressive" part of his resume. Some pretty good success at a high school in Miami. That's still not enough to consider him qualified to be a D1 head coach at a BCS school but at least this information leads you to believe that there might be some hope for the guy.
At least until you realize that he (or others around him) cheated to obtain that success.

What it all boils down to is that it doesn't really matter whether Martin himself cheated or not. All that matters is you just hired a guy who only has one semi-impressive thing on his resume - a good run on the high school level that was tainted by accusations of cheating.
 

Shocker you are right.  His background is questionable when it comes to his resume to be a D1 coach.  However, that would be pretty irrelevant, the reason Frank Martin is a story is b/c of Michael Beasley and Billy Walker and to some extent Sutton.  This would not be an issue if K-State didn't have talent coming in.

[TheShocker]

Shocker you are right.  His background is questionable when it comes to his resume to be a D1 coach.  However, that would be pretty irrelevant, the reason Frank Martin is a story is b/c of Michael Beasley and Billy Walker and to some extent Sutton.  This would not be an issue if K-State didn't have talent coming in.

You're absolutely right. If KSU did not have all this talent coming in Martin never would have even been considered for the head coaching position.

[steve dave]

You guys are either naive or you're willingly ignoring the real reasons for the fuss about Frank Martin. The fact that he had the issues at the high school in Miami, by itself, is not a big deal.

The real problem is that this guy is not qualified to be a head coach at a BCS school. If you look at his experience as an assistant at the D1 level, what you'll find is very underwhelming. So you keep looking and you get to the "impressive" part of his resume. Some pretty good success at a high school in Miami. That's still not enough to consider him qualified to be a D1 head coach at a BCS school but at least this information leads you to believe that there might be some hope for the guy.
At least until you realize that he (or others around him) cheated to obtain that success.

What it all boils down to is that it doesn't really matter whether Martin himself cheated or not. All that matters is you just hired a guy who only has one semi-impressive thing on his resume - a good run on the high school level that was tainted by accusations of cheating.
 

Shocker you are right.  His background is questionable when it comes to his resume to be a D1 coach.  However, that would be pretty irrelevant, the reason Frank Martin is a story is b/c of Michael Beasley and Billy Walker and to some extent Sutton.  This would not be an issue if K-State didn't have talent coming in.

Both good points.  I am willing to roll the dice on this one.  We will never again have an opportunity to play with the #1 recruiting class in the country.  Glad we went for it as we would always look back and say, "what if" if we hadn't.  

[catdude33]

You guys are either naive or you're willingly ignoring the real reasons for the fuss about Frank Martin. The fact that he had the issues at the high school in Miami, by itself, is not a big deal.

The real problem is that this guy is not qualified to be a head coach at a BCS school. If you look at his experience as an assistant at the D1 level, what you'll find is very underwhelming. So you keep looking and you get to the "impressive" part of his resume. Some pretty good success at a high school in Miami. That's still not enough to consider him qualified to be a D1 head coach at a BCS school but at least this information leads you to believe that there might be some hope for the guy.
At least until you realize that he (or others around him) cheated to obtain that success.

What it all boils down to is that it doesn't really matter whether Martin himself cheated or not. All that matters is you just hired a guy who only has one semi-impressive thing on his resume - a good run on the high school level that was tainted by accusations of cheating.
 

What does qualify someone to be a D1 HC.  Is it simply experience at the D1 level as an assistant?  Because their have been plenty of long time D1 assistants who have failed miserably as head coaches.  I guess I just don't understand what the big deal is.  The guy knows the game, knows how to teach the game, has recruiting ties and coached under one of the most successful coaches in the game for a couple years.  Do you think he just needs more years under his collegiate belt to be ready?  I don't get it.

[AzCat]

You're absolutely right. If KSU did not have all this talent coming in Martin never would have even been considered for the head coaching position.

And you're missing the point.  The toughest part about being a successful D-I coach is delivering the talent necessary to compete at the highest levels.  Martin has proven that he can do that in spades so why shouldn't he get a shot?  The Big XII has a few coaches who couldn't coach their way out of a paper bag but who manage to meet with some success because they're lights out recruiters. 

[ksu_FAN]

I don't think there are many rational K-State fans who would argue that Martin wasn't retained b/c of the talent.  That is clear.  

However, most think it was worth the risk b/c of how unique our situation was.  I doubt there are many comparable situations in the history of college sport, let along college basketball.

The other thing that helps Martin besides the talent is that we retained not just Martin, but also Hill, Underwood, Assaley, and Greenawalt.  There is more than just one coach keeping a bunch of talent.  There is a sense of knowing each other and continuity.  As I look back on what we did, I can think of no better scenario outside of being able to hire a Calipari or someon of that caliber which we all knew wasn't going to happen.  To hire the equivalent of Doc Sadler, give him pretty much zero talent for the future (Hoskins, Stew, Young all SRs) and then put him a year behind pretty much every other program besides CU would be more risky IMO than what we did.