Who are Martin and Hill tied to for next year?

[catdude33]

I agree with piss, but could we please enjoy this upcoming year?

QFT.  I'm &@#%ing tired of looking into the future.  We're going to be awesome next year, and I', going to love every minute of it.

[michigancat]

I don't agree with the "- GRCOAT"

Why?  They all seem dead set on playing together?  They all pretty much said, "No Hill....I'm gone".

There's options.  Keep Hill, ditch Martin? Grant negotiates with Hill to stay?  Don't let them out of their LOI's?
Not suggesting one over the other, simply saying there were options at a time when our AD acted like there were none.

Those options would have been great, but I don't think it was worth the risk of making Hill (and GRCOAT) wait on a lengthy search while Huggins and Georgetown have openings on the staff.  Weiser took the "sure thing" in regards to Hill.

Those aren't contradictory.  Fred Brown, by himself, is not a good class "centerpiece".  My reference to unrealistic expectations is people expecting the Beasley's and Walker's year in and year out under Huggins.

Agreed.  We're going to see a hell of a lot more Browns than Walker's or Beasley's.  Actually, it's a safe bet we won't see any more Walker's or Beasley's.

It was a pretty safe bet under Huggins, too.

FAN and fatty handled this one.

Disagree. We won't really know what the real lists look like for a while.

Which is what fatty said.  They've been on the job for two days.

piss, you are overestimating the huggins factor in recruiting.  players follow asst. coaches. for god knows what reason,  asst. coaches follow successful coaches because they the get head coaching jobs.  as the beasley/sutton comments show, many recruits would prefer to play for their favorite asst. coach than a coaching legend.

shipman is a pretty good bet to still have a strong interest in ksu.  there was something in one of his articles about his dad being friends with f. martin.

I hope you're right, however, the Shipman example is a unique one.  If Shipman's pops is a friend of Martin's, well, great, but that's not going to happen often.

He's good friends with Art Alvarez, which is about as good as beking him friends with the parents of every top player in the Miami area.

[yosh]

I believe salespeople are salespeople.  Nobody should expect more #1 classes with mulptiple top 10 players in them, but being able to recruit is a skill.  You don't go into people's homes and just say "Bob Huggins".  In fact, I'm sure there were times when parents told Hill/Martin that they didn't want their kids playing for Huggins.  Look at the recent quotes from Patrick Patterson's mother.  She is very wearly of sending Patrick to West Virginia based on Huggins bad reputation.  Do you think she's the only parent that feels this way?  

Martin just has to prove that he can coach his talent to it's potential.  If we have a good season next year, they will be able to recruit fine in the future.  I wouldn't count on any 5-star guys next season, but I wouldn't be suprised to see one top 100 HS guy, a 4-star JUCO guy and a couple of 3 stars.  Half of Wooly's classes were that good, and he never even went to the postseason.  

[chum1]

I believe salespeople are salespeople.

Excellent point.  He sold nearly all of us at his press conference.

[chum1]

piss, you are overestimating the huggins factor in recruiting.  players follow asst. coaches. for god knows what reason,  asst. coaches follow successful coaches because they the get head coaching jobs.  as the beasley/sutton comments show, many recruits would prefer to play for their favorite asst. coach than a coaching legend.

shipman is a pretty good bet to still have a strong interest in ksu.  there was something in one of his articles about his dad being friends with f. martin.

I hope you're right, however, the Shipman example is a unique one.  If Shipman's pops is a friend of Martin's, well, great, but that's not going to happen often.
I'd lay odds that more kids recognize Bob Huggins when he walks into the gym than do Hill or Martin.

OT:  Is your Huggins bobblehead still intact?

[pissclams]

piss, you are overestimating the huggins factor in recruiting.  players follow asst. coaches. for god knows what reason,  asst. coaches follow successful coaches because they the get head coaching jobs.  as the beasley/sutton comments show, many recruits would prefer to play for their favorite asst. coach than a coaching legend.

shipman is a pretty good bet to still have a strong interest in ksu.  there was something in one of his articles about his dad being friends with f. martin.

I hope you're right, however, the Shipman example is a unique one.  If Shipman's pops is a friend of Martin's, well, great, but that's not going to happen often.
I'd lay odds that more kids recognize Bob Huggins when he walks into the gym than do Hill or Martin.

OT:  Is your Huggins bobblehead still intact?

Yes, LOL.

[Jayhox]

Someone asked who ku was on:

All are 5 Stars

Greg Monroe
PF   Position rank 1   
(Cox, Helen, Junior HS)
Harvey, LA
6-9/195/17.3
Duke, Kansas, LSU, Baylor, Kentucky, Louisville, Mississippi State, Texas, USC, Georgia Tech, North Carolina 

Samardo Samuels
C   Position rank 1   
(St. Benedict Prep)
Newark, NJ
6-8/240/14.0
Connecticut, Duke, Kansas, Louisville, North Carolina, Rutgers, Saint John's (NY), Syracuse, Texas, Virginia 

Romero Osby
SF   Position rank 2
(Northeast Lauderdale HS)
Meridian, MS   
6-8/230/24.0
Alabama, Kansas, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee, Florida, Memphis, Texas 

Willie Warren
SG   Position rank 4
(North Crowley HS)
Fort Worth, TX   
6-4/190
Arizona, Baylor, Connecticut, Florida, Kansas, Oklahoma State, Kansas State, Texas 

JaMychal Green
PF   Position rank 5
(St. Jude HS)
Montgomery, AL
6-7.5/205
Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia Tech, Marquette, Oklahoma State, Georgia, Kansas, Mississippi State, Stanford, Tennessee, Mississippi, Missouri, Oklahoma 

Travis Releford
SG   Position rank 6   
(Bishop Miege HS)
Shawnee Mission, KS
6-3/175/22.7
Duke, Kansas, Missouri, North Carolina, Connecticut, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, Illinois, Iowa, Miami (Fl), Nebraska, Virginia 

Drew Gordon
PF  Position rank 8   
(Archbishop Mitty HS)
San Jose, CA
6-9/237
California, Duke, Florida, North Carolina, UCLA, Washington, Arizona, Connecticut, Kansas, Kentucky 

[bigdeal]

Well done, Fan.  You are dead on.  Heck, Grant coached against Martin in High School.  Do we really know if Grant is a step up?  No.  Not as much as we know that Martin will likely start with the nation's best recruiting class.  He will have every advantage to continue the momentum and, if that happens, to be able to turn out a solid recruiting class next year...remember, Sutton, Pullen and Brown are all likely to still be around after next year.  A good season next year, a solid recruiting class, followed up by another good year (Sutton, Pullen and Brown will all still be here) and we are on our way to solid footing.  A new coach means we jettison all the momentum, and likely the recruiting class.  We start out with barely enough scholarship players, a  4-12 Big 12 season, and try to dig our way out.