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April 07, 2007, 12:16:27 PM
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Please lets just accept what is reality.  We said everyone was wrong but us when Huggie came here.  Sports Illustrated, The KC Star, etc..   Now reports are coming out all over about Martin.  Again we are the only ones right, and all the facts are all wrong.  We look really dumb now, and even more so in hindsight.  Lets not sit here and pretend his past didnt happen.  Hope he does a good job for our school, and hope we end up a better program in the end. Claiming these journalists are all out to get us really opens us up for ridicule.

April 07, 2007, 12:17:56 PM
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We weren't wrong about Huggins.  I know he broke your heart and all, but he was the right hire.

April 07, 2007, 12:21:12 PM
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imagine if there were no coal mines. . .he'd still be here. . .

April 07, 2007, 12:21:43 PM
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We weren't wrong about Huggins.  I know he broke your heart and all, but he was the right hire.

Because he put you in a position to gamble on a coach with no D1 experience and a checkered past?  Come on Rusty.

April 07, 2007, 12:23:53 PM
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We weren't wrong about Huggins.  I know he broke your heart and all, but he was the right hire.

Because he put you in a position to gamble on a coach with no D1 experience and a checkered past with two projected lottery picks and a handful of top 100 recruits on board?  Come on Rusty.

Yes.  Hindsight is always 20/20.  You really look silly trying to deny the fact that Huggins was a great hire.

April 07, 2007, 12:26:00 PM
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Huggins was a great hire because he left GREAT assistants and Great players.

The door that was being kicked will 'break open' next season. :beerchug:

April 07, 2007, 12:29:57 PM
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We weren't wrong about Huggins.  I know he broke your heart and all, but he was the right hire.

Because he put you in a position to gamble on a coach with no D1 experience and a checkered past?  Come on Rusty.

Sincerely,
Larry Brown 

April 07, 2007, 12:36:17 PM
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Larry Brown.  LMAO!!!

So, winning an NCAA championship and departing, is comparable in the mind of a K-State fan to departing after losing in the second round of both the Big XII and the NIT tournaments.   :lol:

That's just too funny.

April 07, 2007, 12:38:52 PM
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Larry Brown.  LMAO!!!

So, winning an NCAA championship and departing, is comparable in the mind of a K-State fan to departing after losing in the second round of both the Big XII and the NIT tournaments.   :lol:

That's just too funny.

I'm betting you're about 12 years old and don't remember just exactly the circumstances when Brown departed.

April 07, 2007, 12:39:57 PM
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I'm betting you I'm not and I recall perfectly.

You compared apples to oranges.  Your mistake.

April 07, 2007, 12:43:30 PM
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I'm betting you I'm not and I recall perfectly.

You compared apples to oranges.  Your mistake.

He left a program on probation and the cupboard bare.  Why do you think a team that just won the NCAA tournament had to hire a no name assistant? 

But Larry Brown was hired to win....he did that...then promptly got ku put on probation....and put the program in a bad situation....yet he is loved...because he won. 

April 07, 2007, 12:44:18 PM
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I think Huggie was a good hire, but obviously we got burned in the long run (not so long run).  To ingore the fact Martin is who he is just sets us up again.  Lets just keep our minds open, and not think he is someone else.

April 07, 2007, 12:46:23 PM
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I thought another poster on KSF.com said it best........




Here we have Bob Huggins, a coach who questionable ethics and poor graduation rate got him canned at UC.  One year later, K-State gives the guy a second chance ...

... and K-State is the bad guy for hiring him.

One year after that, Huggins bails on his commitment to the university and the players to go home, leaving us high and dry ...

... and K-State is still the bad guy for expecting players to honor commitments they made.

Kansas State promotes from within to keep the team intact and to make the transition to a new coaching staff as painless as possible ...

... and K-State is again the bad guy for its "insecure, win at all costs" attitude.

How did K-State become the bad guy?

What if this exact same scenario had gone down at Kentucky, Duke, UNC, Florida, or even Kansas?  Would the media be painting any of those schools as bad guys?  What is it about Kansas State that we get painted as bad guys for:

--Giving a tarnished coach a chance
--Expecting players to honor commitments
--Promote said tarnished coach's assistants

Rival schools say hiring Huggins was "selling our soul" because we "were willing to do anything to win."  I guess WVU sold its soul then too, didn't it?  And I ask you, Jayhawks, if the past 15 years had been reversed, if you were the storied program that had gone south and we were the one that made it to Final Fours and Championship games (as well as beating you 32 straight times and dominating on your court), would not Lew be willing to give a Bob Huggins a chance if it meant becoming competitive again?

I ask you, Kansas, if Bill Self attracted a top recruiting class and then left for another school, and if it looked like your incoming recruits might bail with him, with mere days left until signing period (thus decimating your program), would you not expect them to honor commitments?

I ask you, Kansas, if the best way to salvage the situation was to promote within, would you not do it?

The fact is, every other program in the country--EVERY OTHER PROGRAM--would do the exact same thing given the situation.  If Duke or NC or uk or ku went through 15 years of hardship and then hired a Bob Huggins, the media would say, "I sure am glad to see this.  I would like to see Huggins bring back the glory days of when Duke/NC/uk/ku was one of the finest programs in the country."

If Huggins turned around and bailed on Duke/NC/uk/ku to "go home," the media would say, "Bob Huggins is a rat!  How dare he do that to a wonderful institution like Duke/NC/uk/ku."

If Duke/NC/uk/ku expected kids to honor their commitments, the media would say, "Why, that's only the right thing to do!  Of course, Duke/NC/uk/ku should expect kids to honor LOI's if they are to grow to become upstanding young men."

And if Duke/NC/uk/ku promoted an assistant under Huggins to keep their fractured program intact, the media would say, "Wise move on Duke/NC/uk/ku's part!  You don't want to lose the momentum that Huggins started."

For some reason, the world has a hard-on for KSU.  Instead of getting upset, we should deal with it.  We should love it.  It drives them a lot crazier than it should drive us, and the worst most of them can do is talk.

K-State has made all the right moves in this situation, in my opinion.  In fact, I think this is the way it was supposed to happen, that Martin was supposed to get that chance, and he is going to be just fine.  I don't care what Squawks and MountingQueers say; K-State is a good university full of good people, and good things eventually do happen to good people.

And if any other uni wants to play the holier-than-thou card, tell me with a straight face that given the same situation you wouldn't do the same thing.  I don't believe you.  I don't believe any other major university wouldn't do whatever it takes to keep their program from sinking into the stone age.

We are K-State!  Deal with it!

April 07, 2007, 12:53:21 PM
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He left a program on probation and the cupboard bare.  Why do you think a team that just won the NCAA tournament had to hire a no name assistant? 

But Larry Brown was hired to win....he did that...then promptly got ku put on probation....and put the program in a bad situation....yet he is loved...because he won. 

That's why the comparison is faulty.  Had K-State won something...anything, the comment may have been appropriate. 

Huggins didn't deliver the goods.  Larry Brown did.   

April 07, 2007, 12:56:19 PM
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He left a program on probation and the cupboard bare.  Why do you think a team that just won the NCAA tournament had to hire a no name assistant? 

But Larry Brown was hired to win....he did that...then promptly got ku put on probation....and put the program in a bad situation....yet he is loved...because he won. 

That's why the comparison is faulty.  Had K-State won something...anything, the comment may have been appropriate. 

Huggins didn't deliver the goods.  Larry Brown did.   

Huggins left before delivering the good.

Kelvin Sampson left OU partly due to a bunch of violations, and yet he was opened with open arms in Indiana.

Also, I think I remember reading Martin was never actually charged with anything either

April 07, 2007, 12:57:55 PM
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Also, I think I remember reading Martin was never actually charged with anything either

I do hope for the sake of our conference that Martin can coach.  My fingers are crossed.

April 07, 2007, 12:58:11 PM
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He left a program on probation and the cupboard bare.  Why do you think a team that just won the NCAA tournament had to hire a no name assistant? 

But Larry Brown was hired to win....he did that...then promptly got ku put on probation....and put the program in a bad situation....yet he is loved...because he won. 

That's why the comparison is faulty.  Had K-State won something...anything, the comment may have been appropriate. 

Huggins didn't deliver the goods.  Larry Brown did.   

Can you stop and think about that for a moment?  The comment was made after speaking to leaving a program in a tough position.  If the same type of hire was made at two different schools, one came after a chamionship, the other off a NIT second round loss.....yet, again, it was the same type of hire, then who left who in a worse situation?  

April 07, 2007, 01:00:58 PM
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Can you stop and think about that for a moment?  The comment was made after speaking to leaving a program in a tough position.  If the same type of hire was made at two different schools, one came after a chamionship, the other off a NIT second round loss.....yet, again, it was the same type of hire, then who left who in a worse situation?  
The hires may have been somewhat similar, though I would say that that of Huggins was far more questionable.  But to use your analogy, while the cupboards may have been bare upon the departure of Larry Brown, the Jayhawk bellies were full.  You can't say the same about Huggins.  Can you?

April 07, 2007, 01:05:02 PM
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Cattracker and Catfan28 get 5 star sticky.  :thumbsup:

April 07, 2007, 01:15:24 PM
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I thought another poster on KSF.com said it best........




Here we have Bob Huggins, a coach who questionable ethics and poor graduation rate got him canned at UC.  One year later, K-State gives the guy a second chance ...

... and K-State is the bad guy for hiring him.

One year after that, Huggins bails on his commitment to the university and the players to go home, leaving us high and dry ...

... and K-State is still the bad guy for expecting players to honor commitments they made.

Kansas State promotes from within to keep the team intact and to make the transition to a new coaching staff as painless as possible ...

... and K-State is again the bad guy for its "insecure, win at all costs" attitude.

How did K-State become the bad guy?

What if this exact same scenario had gone down at Kentucky, Duke, UNC, Florida, or even Kansas?  Would the media be painting any of those schools as bad guys?  What is it about Kansas State that we get painted as bad guys for:

--Giving a tarnished coach a chance
--Expecting players to honor commitments
--Promote said tarnished coach's assistants

Rival schools say hiring Huggins was "selling our soul" because we "were willing to do anything to win."  I guess WVU sold its soul then too, didn't it?  And I ask you, Jayhawks, if the past 15 years had been reversed, if you were the storied program that had gone south and we were the one that made it to Final Fours and Championship games (as well as beating you 32 straight times and dominating on your court), would not Lew be willing to give a Bob Huggins a chance if it meant becoming competitive again?

I ask you, Kansas, if Bill Self attracted a top recruiting class and then left for another school, and if it looked like your incoming recruits might bail with him, with mere days left until signing period (thus decimating your program), would you not expect them to honor commitments?

I ask you, Kansas, if the best way to salvage the situation was to promote within, would you not do it?

The fact is, every other program in the country--EVERY OTHER PROGRAM--would do the exact same thing given the situation.  If Duke or NC or uk or ku went through 15 years of hardship and then hired a Bob Huggins, the media would say, "I sure am glad to see this.  I would like to see Huggins bring back the glory days of when Duke/NC/uk/ku was one of the finest programs in the country."

If Huggins turned around and bailed on Duke/NC/uk/ku to "go home," the media would say, "Bob Huggins is a rat!  How dare he do that to a wonderful institution like Duke/NC/uk/ku."

If Duke/NC/uk/ku expected kids to honor their commitments, the media would say, "Why, that's only the right thing to do!  Of course, Duke/NC/uk/ku should expect kids to honor LOI's if they are to grow to become upstanding young men."

And if Duke/NC/uk/ku promoted an assistant under Huggins to keep their fractured program intact, the media would say, "Wise move on Duke/NC/uk/ku's part!  You don't want to lose the momentum that Huggins started."


1.  Stop comparing your program to the elites.
2. No we would not honor the comittments, because that is not fair to the recruits, who did nothing wrong.
3. ku when Roy left said they would release the players if requested.
4.  We hired Williams because of personal advice from Dean.
5. We would not promote an assistant coach at kansas.  We would go out and get a donovan caliber coach.
6. Roy went home and he wasnt viewed as a rat  by the media.
7. It was very easy to see the huggins hire blowing up on you guys.  It is freaking bob huggins.
8. Frank Martin will be a trainwreck as a head coach. He is lower level d-1/1-aa material.

April 07, 2007, 01:22:12 PM
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The hires may have been somewhat similar, though I would say that that of Huggins was far more questionable. 

Of course ... because you're a squawk.  Duh.
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April 07, 2007, 01:26:14 PM
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