Denis

[MCC4KSU]

Anyone else get sick of Denis throwing up the rock every time he touched it the last 10 minutes of the game.  It is no wonder there were no assists, Denis thought it was his Sr night.  I was so  and every time I heard the buzzer I hoped that Frank Martin would be taking him out, but he never did  . 

When he is hitting his shots, I don't mind him shooting, but when he keeps missing, get a clue, PASS THE BALL!!!!

[ECN]

the last ten minutes, the game started to slide down the leg into a large pile of crap.

this has been denis in his career at ksu. love it or hate it, he's a reason we're where we are at.

he wasnt trying to come back. he was trying not to lose by more than 25.

[ksusprolescharg]

It didn't seem like he was getting much help there at the end either a lot of standing around. Its not like he cost us the game by doing that like ECN said he was just trying not to lose by 20+.

[bam8485]

 We did more crying than playing. The last 10 minutes was god awful.

[ECN]

our last ten minutes were played in cement.

[ksu_FAN]

Anyone else get sick of Denis throwing up the rock every time he touched it the last 10 minutes of the game.  It is no wonder there were no assists, Denis thought it was his Sr night.  I was so  and every time I heard the buzzer I hoped that Frank Martin would be taking him out, but he never did  . 

When he is hitting his shots, I don't mind him shooting, but when he keeps missing, get a clue, PASS THE BALL!!!!

No.  Never.

About 90% of the decisions Denis makes are the right ones.  At least according to how Frank wants him to play.  Maybe more.  Love Denis.

[dubnation]

Anyone else get sick of Denis throwing up the rock every time he touched it the last 10 minutes of the game.  It is no wonder there were no assists, Denis thought it was his Sr night.  I was so  and every time I heard the buzzer I hoped that Frank Martin would be taking him out, but he never did  . 

When he is hitting his shots, I don't mind him shooting, but when he keeps missing, get a clue, PASS THE BALL!!!!

No.  Never.

About 90% of the decisions Denis makes are the right ones.  At least according to how Frank wants him to play.  Maybe more.  Love Denis.

are you serious Denis needs some coaching and he hasn't gotten it from Frank you have to be critical of him at times when he throws up shot after shot. and if you watched the game and watched his teammates you could see how frustrated they was at him he ball hogged in my opinion until he was the leading scorer if you noticed if he is off and someone else is having a good game he will try to get it going instead of playing the hot hand last night jake was 5-9 at half time he ended the game going 5-11 why wasn't he more involved in the offense. I saw fast break after fast break where number one option was to go to the basket and shoot it forget the guys filling the wings that selfish play will come back and hurt us come tournament time

[ksu_FAN]

Anyone else get sick of Denis throwing up the rock every time he touched it the last 10 minutes of the game.  It is no wonder there were no assists, Denis thought it was his Sr night.  I was so  and every time I heard the buzzer I hoped that Frank Martin would be taking him out, but he never did  . 

When he is hitting his shots, I don't mind him shooting, but when he keeps missing, get a clue, PASS THE BALL!!!!

No.  Never.

About 90% of the decisions Denis makes are the right ones.  At least according to how Frank wants him to play.  Maybe more.  Love Denis.

are you serious Denis needs some coaching and he hasn't gotten it from Frank you have to be critical of him at times when he throws up shot after shot. and if you watched the game and watched his teammates you could see how frustrated they was at him he ball hogged in my opinion until he was the leading scorer if you noticed if he is off and someone else is having a good game he will try to get it going instead of playing the hot hand last night jake was 5-9 at half time he ended the game going 5-11 why wasn't he more involved in the offense. I saw fast break after fast break where number one option was to go to the basket and shoot it forget the guys filling the wings that selfish play will come back and hurt us come tournament time

You clearly have a beef with Frank. 

[KSUTOMMY]

It felt like when we tied the game - they just let off the gas. They should have just kept hammering it, but they didn't.

[dobbie4ksu]

I cannot get mad at Denis plain and simple KSU doesn't play a full 40 minutes. Once KSU learns to keep it going they will be hard to beat

[The Nasti]

our last ten minutes were played in cement.

Exactly, no movement. Not sure how to explain it other than our half court sets on offense suck because we usually only have 2 guys that can hit a jumper on the floor - Denis and Jake. This was clearly evident when ku started running that gimmicky triangle and 2 defense. If we had a 3rd jump shooter that would not have lasted long, which is why I thought McGruder should have been on the floor with Jake and Denis then, but I'm doubting it changes the outcome.

ku doubling our bigs every time they touched it and their inability to kick the ball out immediately was a big problem. Too many times they accepted the double without moving the ball. Against that defense the ball must move quicker out of the post.

I continue to be amazed at how critical people are of Denis. He is not going to miraculously turn into some cerebral, walk it up the floor, run the offense kind of guy. I would argue we don't want him to do that - considering how bad our offensive sets continue to be. Denis is the perfect point man for this style of play because he pushes the ball after every miss/turnover and is always the fastest player on the floor (T. Taylor did a solid job defending him Wed. night I thought, that guy is pretty quick as well). Some of the shots near the end of the game were questionable, but we were getting hammered and the game was lost. Denis shot 7-15 (2-4 from 3), I don't see how this criticism is valid.

Really, and some of you won't want to hear this, the bottom line to me is that ku is the best team in the nation and we played them in their gym.

 

[MCC4KSU]

Just some food for thought here.

FG% for the game
McGruder 67%
Kelly 50%
Colon 50%
Clemente 46%
Pullen 45%
Judge 33%

In the first half, Clemente took 27% of the team's shots while shooting 50%.  In the second half, he took 38% while shooting 42%.  He took almost half of our shots and he was shooting worse in the second half.  That is not taking into account the wild drives that made into the lane where he was fouled before being able to throw up a wild shot.

Here is another one, TO
Clemente 3
Colon 2
Pullen 2
Samuels 2
Sutton 2
Judge 1
Kelly 1

Not a stat he needs to be leading the team in with only 2 assists.

Don't get me wrong, nights when he is on, I love having him on the team, but when the team is down, he loses sight of the team and thinks that he can bring us back on his own.  Sometimes he can, but against a team like ku, it isn't feasible.  It is a team sport for a reason. 

[ECN]

good news about pullen and clemente is that after a slump they tend to come back with huge games.

yeah, its only ISU on senior night. but hey, nubb came in and we so werent ready for that heaping pile of a game.

[ksu_FAN]

At the end of the day, Clemente plays the way he is allowed to play.  You can agree or not agree, but its clear he plays exactly the way Frank wants him to 90% (or more), otherwise he wouldn't lead the team in minutes.

So really, the beef is with Frank, not Denis. 

And behind that is your philosophy of the game compared to how Frank wants his guards and his team to play. 

Denis's 2 assists to 3 TOs was not good, but to be upset that the guy that handled the ball the most against the best perimeter defense we saw all year is a bit silly IMO.  And part of an assist is on the other end, having your teammate finish.  Our bigs simply did a poor job of finishing or catching to finish in this game. 

If you want to complain about isolated decisions Denis makes, that's fine, b/c by the nature of his agressive play that will happen.  But if you are going to complain about his general style of play, you may as well complain about Frank and its very likely that you'll never like Frank.  His preference is going to be to have an agressive combo guard like Denis, so you might as well get used to it or hope Currie refuses to pay him so he leaves.  Seriously.

[dubnation]

you can play fast and be in control. he has a habit of being out of control at times and thats when I would like to see him be more patient and if he don't get it have the coach set him straight. ai think the coaches let Denis down by allowing him to play that way his game doesn't translate into the next level at all and if he was taught to pick his moments when to go and not to go he might have gotten looks from the next level.I see him trying to re create that Texas game and it hasn't happened yet nor will it that was a once in a life time performance. if you watch pullen,jamar,mcgruder,and wally they have a skill set that will translate to the next level. They will be a much better team next year when denis is gone and you have a guard who will run plays and sets.

[PowercatPosse]

You know Pullen likely will get on 1st team Big 12 this year and Denis will just barely miss it and get 2nd team.    But i have no doubt about it that DC is our MVP this year.  Pullen has had the better year and deserves that 1st team, but Clemente does so much.

The guy puts unlimited pressure on the defense when he is attack mode.  Sure, he flings up a wild shot here and there.  He gets out of control from time to time.   Remember this though .... a lot of times when he puts up those wild shots, other defenders are trying to block it (cause he beat his defender and help defense is there) and that is why we get a lot of off. boards on his shots.

I personally love watching him play and hopefully he has about 10 more games in that Ksu uniform.   

[Brock Landers]

Clemente's stat line:

Min  FGM-A   3PM-A   FTM-A   Reb   ASST   TO   PF   TP
39   7-15      2-4       5-7       2      2         3     1     21

Yeah, he was awful.   


Sorry, but that's how he has been playing all year.  The only problem i had with his play was the 3 turnovers, everything else was just him trying to keep us in the game.

[dobbie4ksu]

I just cannot hate on DC and I am really going to miss the dude plain and simple. I would really like to see McGruder as a two and Pullen back as a one next year, but anyone who says we wont miss Clemente is on crack or something

[Basement Baller]

you can play fast and be in control. he has a habit of being out of control at times and thats when I would like to see him be more patient and if he don't get it have the coach set him straight. ai think the coaches let Denis down by allowing him to play that way his game doesn't translate into the next level at all and if he was taught to pick his moments when to go and not to go he might have gotten looks from the next level.I see him trying to re create that Texas game and it hasn't happened yet nor will it that was a once in a life time performance. if you watch pullen,jamar,mcgruder,and wally they have a skill set that will translate to the next level. They will be a much better team next year when denis is gone and you have a guard who will run plays and sets.

I agree with basically everything in this post except the last line. Up until about a month ago, I would have agreed with you that we wouldn't really miss him much next year. This last month though it seems that all parts of his game have really come together and I think he's played the best, most consistent ball of his entire career during this stretch.

Think about Wednesday, when did we have our most success offensively? It was when Denis was pushing the ball in transition, pressuring their D with his phenomenal speed. He created a couple of spot up looks from 3 for Pullen which he knocked down., he created a couple open looks for himself(his 3 to tie at 45 came in transition), and he had that slick pass to McGruder who finished with the flush. Then there's his runner, which I admit he's not incredibly accurate with, but even when he misses it gets the D out of position and gives our athletes a chance to attack the glass. How else do you think Wally got that monster follow dunk?

I agree he's not going to be able to outrun everybody at the next level and he absolutely gets out of control at times but for our purposes and the team we have right now, he's incredibly valuable, particularly when he shoots the ball as accurately and as consistently as he has the past month. There will defintely be an adjustment period for us next year without him in our lineup, I just hope it's not a long one.

[Super PurpleCat]

It's not that he plays bad, he doesn't.  He plays very good.  It's just that if he could be great if he played smarter at times.

[dobbie4ksu]

It's not that he plays bad, he doesn't.  He plays very good.  It's just that if he could be great if he played smarter at times.

This is true, his speed hurts him sometimes, he always goes balls to the wall which is great, but you have to know when slowing down will help during a drive and what not.

[dubnation]

It's not that he plays bad, he doesn't.  He plays very good.  It's just that if he could be great if he played smarter at times.

This is true, his speed hurts him sometimes, he always goes balls to the wall which is great, but you have to know when slowing down will help during a drive and what not.

I couldn't have said it better you summed up what I was trying to convey I like denis he has talent. I just don't like that Frank won't coach him and be critical of him so he can learn. Example Pullen came to the team and he was raw talent and now he has learned that he has to play under control and be smarter on the court he was rough on him and look what it translated to I know Denis is good but shouldn't we be saying how much better he has gotten.

[dobbie4ksu]

It's not that he plays bad, he doesn't.  He plays very good.  It's just that if he could be great if he played smarter at times.

This is true, his speed hurts him sometimes, he always goes balls to the wall which is great, but you have to know when slowing down will help during a drive and what not.

I couldn't have said it better you summed up what I was trying to convey I like denis he has talent. I just don't like that Frank won't coach him and be critical of him so he can learn. Example Pullen came to the team and he was raw talent and now he has learned that he has to play under control and be smarter on the court he was rough on him and look what it translated to I know Denis is good but shouldn't we be saying how much better he has gotten.

Pullen is a good example. When he first got here he was a turnover machine, don't get me wrong he still turns the ball over but not nearly like he use to, and that is because now he knows when to attack and when to slow down. Clemente on the other hand is all out attack at all times