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August 09, 2009, 04:27:02 PM
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I think the OL will be much better.
It is a tragedy because now, we have at least an extra month without Cat football until next year. I hate wasting my life away but I can hardly wait until next year.

August 09, 2009, 05:18:31 PM
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I think the OL will be much better.

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August 09, 2009, 05:28:31 PM
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I think the OL will be much better.

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The guys with all the talent were on the bench.  (I live in Nebraska)

August 09, 2009, 05:38:10 PM
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I think the OL will be much better.

Reasoning?  Really wanna hear from a fb expert.


The guys with all the talent were on the bench.  (I live in Nebraska)

have you read bmw?? emaw.
It is a tragedy because now, we have at least an extra month without Cat football until next year. I hate wasting my life away but I can hardly wait until next year.

August 09, 2009, 06:42:52 PM
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so, in comparison to last year:

QB: (-) can't lose a player like Freems and replace him with Carson (what convinces anyone that he's even a "game manager" from what they've seen of him is beyond me) or McNeck (who's got about as much experience as Carson)  and think this magically gets "better". 

RB: (+) just the addition of thomas and hubert makes his a +.  basically having anyone not named dold or valentine would have made this a +. 

OL: (-) can't lose unruh and think the line gets better when it was fairly terrible atleast from a run blocking stand point to begin with...which is great since we're going to a more run oriented offense (allegedly).  we need a magic dickey.

TE: (+) looks like talented/good players and some depth as well, which is weird.

WR:  (push) until proven otherwise, Lamark has wasted his career at KSU.  It's a lot to expect a lolly pop kid to be th leader of the WR corp.  this should prolly be a - now that I think about it.

DE:  (+) only due to a more seasoned Harold. I'm not really sold on Childs.  Zero depth even with Abana back (which, again, not really sold on). 

DT:  (+)  only due to the addition of Fitz (non-lemon) no one at either DE or DT except for Harold has really consisently shown anything.  We're hoping Fitz is as advertised.

LB:  (-) no explanation needed.

DB:  (push) no depth, not that much talent, want to believe in Emmanuel (anyone remember that porn that used to be on Cinemax entitled Emmanuellle?  It was like late 70's porn, lots of bush) but I've been hurt by the pre-season hype before.

special teams: (+) punter on the field for all punting situations will be a nice start.  apparently that Doerr guy is super spectacular awesome. 

August 09, 2009, 07:55:27 PM
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I am holding out optimism on Coffman because I recall Snyder's offense when he had talent such as Paul Watson, Chris Cobb, Carl Straw, Matt Garber and Brian Kavanaugh running around.  Those guys were tough as hell, but to my recollection only Watson sniffed the NFL (and that was prior to getting stabbed at the Last Chance).  I expect KSU to run that offense this year as opposed to the Bishop, Beasley, Roberson type.  When KSU ran the latter offense with a sub-par QB (no offense Adam Helm or Jeff Schwinn) it really didn't work, so I am holding out hope that OB goes with the former.

FWIW I see Gregory as a Matt Miller type, the in-between if you will as that he is not a good enough runner or passer but does enough of both to keep you honest.

I'll save you the trouble... :koolaid:

August 09, 2009, 08:32:35 PM
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so, in comparison to last year:

QB: (-) can't lose a player like Freems and replace him with Carson (what convinces anyone that he's even a "game manager" from what they've seen of him is beyond me) or McNeck (who's got about as much experience as Carson)  and think this magically gets "better". 

RB: (+) just the addition of thomas and hubert makes his a +.  basically having anyone not named dold or valentine would have made this a +. 

OL: (-) can't lose unruh and think the line gets better when it was fairly terrible atleast from a run blocking stand point to begin with...which is great since we're going to a more run oriented offense (allegedly).  we need a magic dickey.

TE: (+) looks like talented/good players and some depth as well, which is weird.

WR:  (push) until proven otherwise, Lamark has wasted his career at KSU.  It's a lot to expect a lolly pop kid to be th leader of the WR corp.  this should prolly be a - now that I think about it.

DE:  (+) only due to a more seasoned Harold. I'm not really sold on Childs.  Zero depth even with Abana back (which, again, not really sold on). 

DT:  (+)  only due to the addition of Fitz (non-lemon) no one at either DE or DT except for Harold has really consisently shown anything.  We're hoping Fitz is as advertised.

LB:  (-) no explanation needed.

DB:  (push) no depth, not that much talent, want to believe in Emmanuel (anyone remember that porn that used to be on Cinemax entitled Emmanuellle?  It was like late 70's porn, lots of bush) but I've been hurt by the pre-season hype before.

special teams: (+) punter on the field for all punting situations will be a nice start.  apparently that Doerr guy is super spectacular awesome. 


How could the LBs be any worse?
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August 09, 2009, 09:05:53 PM
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How could the LBs be any worse?

remember after '07 when we were all like "how can this defense be any worse" and like, they were.

August 09, 2009, 10:31:03 PM
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QB - Worse:  Say what you will about Freeman we would be better with him on the team this year.  Though Snyder's offenses mold to most any type of QB so that could help ease the pain a little. 

RB - Better:  to quote catzacker "just the addition of thomas and hubert makes his a +.  basically having anyone not named dold or valentine would have made this a +."

WR - Better:  Same guys, more experience.  I see our WR's being utilized quite well this season a playmakers.(If we can run the ball worth a damn)

TE - Better: Mastrud is pretty damn good and everyone else is back too with another year of experience.  Will be interesting how they run block.

OL - Worse/Push: Losing best lineman on a crappy line isn't going to help matters.  No one else has proven anything.

DL - Better: Harold will be even better than last year, and we add Fitzgerald who seems legit. 

LB - Push/better:  Unfortunately they will still be bad.  Just making the routine plays is all I'm hoping for because we couldn't even do that last year. 

DB - Better: Another year of Moore & Co. more experience. 

Really, outside of a few additions and the obvious drop at QB this team is a mystery.  They should be better because they have another year under their belts.  They should be better(especially on defense) because their coaches are better.  We're just going to wait and see.

BTW, Catmatt I agree with you I'm thinking 1991 type season. Probably left out of the bowls again.








August 09, 2009, 11:01:03 PM
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How could the LBs be any worse?

remember after '07 when we were all like "how can this defense be any worse" and like, they were.

A bit different of a situation here.  The only guy on the final 2-deep we lost was Olu.  Everyone now has more experience, and (what would appear to be) superior coaching.  Don't think I'm getting all tardy here and trying to say those kids are all of a sudden going to turn into a typical Ohio State LB crew, but it certainly would be reasonable to expect at least some improvement from last year. 

August 09, 2009, 11:07:01 PM
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How could the LBs be any worse?

remember after '07 when we were all like "how can this defense be any worse" and like, they were.

HAHA. YUP.
It is a tragedy because now, we have at least an extra month without Cat football until next year. I hate wasting my life away but I can hardly wait until next year.

August 09, 2009, 11:07:42 PM
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How could the LBs be any worse?

remember after '07 when we were all like "how can this defense be any worse" and like, they were.

A bit different of a situation here.  The only guy on the final 2-deep we lost was Olu.  Everyone now has more experience, and (what would appear to be) superior coaching.  Don't think I'm getting all tardy here and trying to say those kids are all of a sudden going to turn into a typical Ohio State LB crew, but it certainly would be reasonable to expect at least some improvement from last year. 

reg walker? :confused:

also, we have a bunch of lazy lber's. good chance they get worsier.
It is a tragedy because now, we have at least an extra month without Cat football until next year. I hate wasting my life away but I can hardly wait until next year.

August 09, 2009, 11:21:14 PM
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How could the LBs be any worse?

remember after '07 when we were all like "how can this defense be any worse" and like, they were.

A bit different of a situation here.  The only guy on the final 2-deep we lost was Olu.  Everyone now has more experience, and (what would appear to be) superior coaching.  Don't think I'm getting all tardy here and trying to say those kids are all of a sudden going to turn into a typical Ohio State LB crew, but it certainly would be reasonable to expect at least some improvement from last year.  

reg walker? :confused:

also, we have a bunch of lazy lber's. good chance they get worsier.

My mistake, I totally skipped over one of the OLB spots.  We also lost Reggie and A Moore.  Mea culpa.  I guess we can only hope some of that laziness is ran out of those SOBs.
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August 09, 2009, 11:30:54 PM
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I guess, the way I look at it is like this:  Do I think this year's team would beat last year's team head-to-head?  I feel pretty certain it would.  Now, that certainly doesn't mean I think this year's squad is going to have much more success in terms of wins and losses than last year's, but I do think that we will at least be improving.  Maybe not as dramatically as I would like, but progressing nonetheless.  If we're able to bring in a decent recruiting class for 2010, coupled with some of the recent additions to the team, I think 2010 could be a fairly enjoyable year to be a Cat fan.   :hope:

August 09, 2009, 11:56:25 PM
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I guess, the way I look at it is like this:  Do I think this year's team would beat last year's team head-to-head?  I feel pretty certain it would.  Now, that certainly doesn't mean I think this year's squad is going to have much more success in terms of wins and losses than last year's, but I do think that we will at least be improving.  Maybe not as dramatically as I would like, but progressing nonetheless.  If we're able to bring in a decent recruiting class for 2010, coupled with some of the recent additions to the team, I think 2010 could be a fairly enjoyable year to be a Cat fan.   :hope:

we may be totally underestimating freem's.
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August 10, 2009, 12:59:36 AM
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I guess, the way I look at it is like this:  Do I think this year's team would beat last year's team head-to-head?  I feel pretty certain it would.  Now, that certainly doesn't mean I think this year's squad is going to have much more success in terms of wins and losses than last year's, but I do think that we will at least be improving.  Maybe not as dramatically as I would like, but progressing nonetheless.  If we're able to bring in a decent recruiting class for 2010, coupled with some of the recent additions to the team, I think 2010 could be a fairly enjoyable year to be a Cat fan.   :hope:

we may be totally underestimating freem's.

Dude did put up pretty silly numbers with a pathetic supporting cast.  I mean, the dude had one decent receiver to throw to and he was the size of an eighth grader, no real running game to speak of, and a patchwork line made up of TE sized blockers.  Alot has been made of his tendency to turn the ball over, but so did most of the QBs who lead us during the DoD.  (Beasley didn't have too many TOs, but he wasn't nearly as explosive as Bish, Ell, May, etc.)  Freems was a first rounder for more reasons than his measureables.  I really doubt a first year coach would stake so much of his livelihood on a guy (he had previously coached) unless he was fairly confident he could be an impact player in the league at some point.

August 10, 2009, 10:46:43 AM
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OK, I am not a X's and O's type expert but I can offer a few observations;

QB Freeman was good but he was really the only bullet in our offensive gun last year.  He tended to force the issue against tougher defenses and this led to too many turnovers.  With a QB less prone to force the issue we will see reduced output against weaker opponents but also less turnovers and mistake against stronger defenses.  Overall this will will help us win a close gaome or two. 

RB Hey can it really be worse?  Again bettre disipline with the run pass balance will open up a better running game.

OL Its a wash.  Freeman was good at avoiding tackles and standing up to a strong rush.  I see more sacks against this unit but better offensive performance in that they will turn the ball over less.

WR  Prince tended to find a player or two he liked and go with them a lot.  Snyder will spread it around more.  Look for a surprise in the number of catches by Lamark as he gets open by teams trying to hold down Banks.

Defense

We lacked fundemental skills of positioning and tackling form the last three years.  We will be markedly improved.  The linebackers under Snyder have always excelled.  You will be surprised by the improvement.

Having said this I do not think the atheltiism is there to avoid getting burned by the big pass play from time to time.  If the defensive line steps up and gets pressure on the QBs this could be a decent defense.

Overall I think the defensive players are much better than they showed last year.  Really 117th out of 119 teams?  Are our guys really that bad?  They just were not coached very well at all the last two years. :kstatriot:


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August 10, 2009, 10:51:59 AM
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Fewer honkey lipped LBs wouldn't hurt...if that's how it turns out.

August 10, 2009, 11:56:45 AM
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ok, just wanted to chime in and say ksu fans are morons if they think ksu will be any better this year.

thanks.

August 10, 2009, 12:55:17 PM
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ok, just wanted to chime in and say ksu fans are morons if they think ksu will be any better this year.

thanks.

Too much BLUE in your water up there.

You need more emaw

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August 10, 2009, 01:08:32 PM
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ok, just wanted to chime in and say ksu fans are morons if they think ksu will be any better this year.

thanks.

QFT.

Pretty disgusted with the "coach 'em up" talk.   :bs:

August 10, 2009, 02:41:07 PM
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ok, just wanted to chime in and say ksu fans are morons if they think ksu will be any better this year.

thanks.

QFT.

Pretty disgusted with the "coach 'em up" talk.   



Why? 2004-2005 Snyder years?  You feel that coaching has no part in the success of a football team?  You feel the current coaches are poorer than Prince and company?  I am not saying we are going to win the NC, Big XII or even the north.  I am saying we should be fundamentally better at football.  That is not a big stretch.

Also you are too close to crimson soonerville in OKC.  You also need more emaw! :ksu:

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August 10, 2009, 02:42:02 PM
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Will we really miss the pro qb type player?

i doubt it.

Dual threat will fit our style better.

August 10, 2009, 04:29:46 PM
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curious tulsa cat the coaches that are returning to the program, do you think they have also been "coached up" since leaving here? EMAW

August 10, 2009, 06:09:00 PM
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curious tulsa cat the coaches that are returning to the program, do you think they have also been "coached up" since leaving here? EMAW

Long answer to a short question that probable did not expect and answer.  I originally typed “get fracked” but decided that was not really adding anything to the argument.  I wrote this long winded reply instead…..


The decline in 2004-2005 was not totally unexpected by me.  I was not, however, expecting Snyder to retire.  I was hoping the assistants would be changed and the recruiting updated. The Prince experiment to bring young blood and vitality into the program failed for a variety of reasons the most blatant of which was Princes ego and failure to understand K-States unique problems and his own weaknesses.  He drove off anyone who did not agree with his methods without first examining if perhaps they were right and he was wrong.  All of this culminated is discourse, confusion, paranoia and dissention in the team leading to a lack of direction, lack of leadership and a lack of winning.

I think (I hope) the coaches have learned from their mistakes.  I see most of the failure in 2004-2005 coming from a combination of apathy on the part of the players expecting to be good without working hard, apathy from the coaches expecting to be good without working hard, tiredness from Snyder from pushing so hard and finally getting some success with a Big XII championship.  I think this combined with a natural decline in recruiting success (all programs have it to some degree or less) and a change in fundamental recruiting methods, and a change in the Big XII offensive sets caused a lack of winning which led to a decline in confidence which led to more losing.

What Snyder and company have going for them is they understand how to win.  They do not expect that they know how to win but can adapt and use what they have.  As to whether the “Coaches have been coached up”,  This I feel is an inane comment and bears little comment.  I assume what your are referring to is that the current coaches did little to inspire a wining record in 2004-2005.  I hope you are not saying that coaching plays no effect on winning at college football.

We all would like to have seen more dynamic younger coaches brought in to help.  Could we have done better than Snyder?  I doubt it with the university leadership and athletic department as screwed up as it was.  I would have liked different coaches that were proven winners.  I was hoping to get Patterson, or Meyer, or the next Bob Stoops, or next Bear Bryant to come to Manhattan.  The reality is things were more messed up in the program than any of us realized.  The entire athletic department was fracked and that kept any serious candidates from being considered.  (you can decide whether this was because of the frackers or frackees or potential coaches).  That is why Snyder came back.  He was a constant that understood K-state and could be working while the athletic department crumbled and was rebuilt around him.  Snyder brought in people that he knew and trusted.  They are not the best in all of football.  But we know their strengths and weaknesses. 

This is very long way to say that I trust these coaches more than the last set of coaches.  Will they get us to 11 wins?  I don’t know.  Is it better than Prince? Yes!  Do I expect a better team than last year? Yes.  Will they win more?  Damn I hope so. Thing is you have to stay positive at this point in the season.  It more fun that way.

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August 11, 2009, 05:35:59 AM
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Think 2004-2005 except with worse players.   :kstatriot: