Prince seeking 3 mill for damages.

[maxq]

I'd like to sue Ron Prince for the emotional damages his tenure at K-State caused me.

[sonofdaxjones]

This is probably going to disappoint Doc, who no doubt is rubbing it out for the 12th time tonight over this:

36. In conjunction with the initial and preliminary agreement, however, the University expressed to Mr. Cornrich that, for reasons of confidentiality, it would only guarantee a portion of the contract. To maintain the desired confidentiality, Mr. Krause, on behalf of the IAC, suggested that a separate Memorandum of Understanding be implemented between the IAC and a limited liability corporation to be formed by Coach Prince, such MOU sufficient to provide the guarantees as suggested. Similar LLCs were commonly used by others connected with the Athletic Department to receive payments."

So the "secret agreements" was likely just referencing the existence of LLC's held by other entities in the athletic department.

good catch there paddington. I can see why Meeks decided to edit that already printed information out of his story. Hate for anyone to see THAT again.

How are the grandkids?

Good one . . . "grandkids" . . . you so funny Doc. 

I bet Meeks went over and asked the guys who swallo . . . I mean "cover" ku and they probably suggested he take it out.

[kst8catfan]

The part about Wefald knowing about the whole deal is awful damn juicy. ...and absolutely true.

Dang straight it's true.  He's been hiding out in Minnesota letting this stuff blow over since he left campus.  I bet he's been secretly reading KSUfans just to see when it's safe to return to town so they can dedicate Wefald Hall.  "Plausible Deniability"....he's gonna let others swing in the breeze for stuff he OK'd.

[sonofdaxjones]

They going to name the new Leadership Studies Building after the Weef??

It should have an * carved into the traditional limestone building marker.

[LimestoneOutcropping]

KSU = Clowned by Ron Prince. Absolutely no defense for this statement. Gotta love Ron  Did I say clowned? 

Also gotta love when T. Brew comes home from a slow night at the dinner shift and throws some non-sensical blasts onto the ksu boards.  You can smell the anger and fryer grease on him.

This lawsuit will get very interesting when Prince's lawyers take the deposition of Wefald.  I will bet ANYTHING that Weefs will apply a ton of pressure to the University to settle it before then.  Behind closed doors, he will admit he knew about the payment arrangement, KSU's lawyers will remind him he denied any knowledge earlier and realize they are in trouble on the apparent authority claim, and settle.  Either way, it's high time to strongly reconsider naming any buildings after him.

[DrJamesANaismith]

KSU = Clowned by Ron Prince. Absolutely no defense for this statement. Gotta love Ron  Did I say clowned? 

Also gotta love when T. Brew comes home from a slow night at the dinner shift and throws some non-sensical blasts onto the ksu boards.  You can smell the anger and fryer grease on him.

This lawsuit will get very interesting when Prince's lawyers take the deposition of Wefald.  I will bet ANYTHING that Weefs will apply a ton of pressure to the University to settle it before then.  Behind closed doors, he will admit he knew about the payment arrangement, KSU's lawyers will remind him he denied any knowledge earlier and realize they are in trouble on the apparent authority claim, and settle.  Either way, it's high time to strongly reconsider naming any buildings after him.

Very true. They will also want to take the depositions of the clerical staff of all involved as well. There's absolutely no chance that everyone involved forgets that they knew anything at all.

From today's front page of the Star:

Asked if the counterclaim was accurate, Wefald told The Kansas City Star, “No,” and he said the statements made by the university in May stood. At the time, Wefald said no one in administration or athletics outside of then-athletic director Bob Krause knew about the $3.2 million buyout.

“That was our statement and it still is,” Wefald said Monday.

[kst8catfan]

They going to name the new Leadership Studies Building after the Weef??

It should have an * carved into the traditional limestone building marker.

I got to thinking the other day while going across campus....I wonder that when they find out he knew everything about this deal, and discover all the other areas he wasted millions of $ on....will we do something similar to the ancient Egyptians?  (chisel out any reference to his name all over campus)

[LimestoneOutcropping]

KSU = Clowned by Ron Prince. Absolutely no defense for this statement. Gotta love Ron  Did I say clowned? 

Also gotta love when T. Brew comes home from a slow night at the dinner shift and throws some non-sensical blasts onto the ksu boards.  You can smell the anger and fryer grease on him.

This lawsuit will get very interesting when Prince's lawyers take the deposition of Wefald.  I will bet ANYTHING that Weefs will apply a ton of pressure to the University to settle it before then.  Behind closed doors, he will admit he knew about the payment arrangement, KSU's lawyers will remind him he denied any knowledge earlier and realize they are in trouble on the apparent authority claim, and settle.  Either way, it's high time to strongly reconsider naming any buildings after him.

Very true. They will also want to take the depositions of the clerical staff of all involved as well. There's absolutely no chance that everyone involved forgets that they knew anything at all.

From today's front page of the Star:

Asked if the counterclaim was accurate, Wefald told The Kansas City Star, “No,” and he said the statements made by the university in May stood. At the time, Wefald said no one in administration or athletics outside of then-athletic director Bob Krause knew about the $3.2 million buyout.

“That was our statement and it still is,” Wefald said Monday.

Clerical staff?  Not really a smoking gun if any of the "clerical staff" knew.  They don't have actual or apparent authority nor can they impute knowledge to any of their superiors.

[BeaumontCat1%]

This lawsuit will get very interesting when Prince's lawyers take the deposition of Wefald.  I will bet ANYTHING that Weefs will apply a ton of pressure to the University to settle it before then.  Behind closed doors, he will admit he knew about the payment arrangement, KSU's lawyers will remind him he denied any knowledge earlier and realize they are in trouble on the apparent authority claim, and settle.  Either way, it's high time to strongly reconsider naming any buildings after him.

If KSU's lawyers don't already know that they will clearly lose on the apparent authority issue, then they need to forfeit their licenses.  The MOU was executed ONLY by the IAC, not by KSU.  I don't see any way for KSU to contend that Krause did not have authority to bind the IAC, especially since he had already signed Prince's original contract on behalf of the IAC.
They better hope that the fact that In Persuit of Perfection, LLC didn't exist at the time of the MOU, and is now a KSU entity, is enough.

Their best maneuver might be to just drop the other claims, and try to limit the depositions, etc. to nothing outside of the existence and ownership of IPP.  If Wefald and Krause have to answer questions under oath about how this went down, it will be nothing but a disaster for KSU.
  

[DrJamesANaismith]

Clerical staff?  Not really a smoking gun if any of the "clerical staff" knew.  They don't have actual or apparent authority nor can they impute knowledge to any of their superiors.

Oh really? So when SS's attorneys ask to take the depositions of Wefald's staff, the chick attorney's staff, etc., do you think that maybe Wefald might suddenly change his answer about "absolutely nobody knew about it besides the Outlaw Josie Krause, and therefore the MOU is void."

[premierkc]

how does this translate to future wins and losses....it doesn't. It's f-ing embarassing that's about it, If snyder wins 7 games this is non news, if he wins 4 at least we have this to follow for the next year.

[j@yh@wks]

how does this translate to future wins and losses....it doesn't. It's f-ing embarassing that's about it, If snyder wins 7 games this is non news, if he wins 4 at least we have this to follow for the next year.

i would worry about the perception of recruits with what is going on.  So far i would think this is just a local story but if it goes to court and gets ugly it could be national fairly quickly. 

[LimestoneOutcropping]

Clerical staff?  Not really a smoking gun if any of the "clerical staff" knew.  They don't have actual or apparent authority nor can they impute knowledge to any of their superiors.

Oh really? So when SS's attorneys ask to take the depositions of Wefald's staff, the chick attoney's staff, etc., do you think that maybe Wefald might suddenly change his answer about "absolutely nobody knew about it besides the Outlaw Josie Krause, and therefore the MOU is void."

I guess if they are trying to prove that some secretary knew Krause was negotiating a confidential buyout...but that doesn't get them crap.  I'd be taking Weef's depo right off.

But at the end of the day, Spani is right to some extent that apparent authority may be a loser.  Need to know the conversations etc.  IF Prince knew that the university attorney was being intentionally being excluded from those negotiations he may have had reason to believe Krause was acting outside his authority.  Either way, hiring Krause appears to be a multi-million dollar mistake right about now.  

Another thing that just makes Weefs look like a giant ass is when he learned about Krause throwing money around, he transferred him to the Olathe campus instead of canning him right off.  Weef's "good ol boy" back scratching made his friends rich and KSU poor.  I hope they do name a building after him so the frat pledges have something to crap on.  It could replace counting the windows on campus.

[LimestoneOutcropping]

how does this translate to future wins and losses....it doesn't. It's f-ing embarassing that's about it, If snyder wins 7 games this is non news, if he wins 4 at least we have this to follow for the next year.

i would worry about the perception of recruits with what is going on.  So far i would think this is just a local story but if it goes to court and gets ugly it could be national fairly quickly. 

And why would a recruit care?  Lots worse went on at schools.  Look at Tenn and Kiffin is bringing in 5 stars.

[premierkc]

I doubt it affects recruiting, kids want scholarships, playing time, and wins.

[sonofdaxjones]

Hawks pulls another one out of his a$$ . . . 18 year old kids don't give a flying f_ck about stuff like this.

[sonofdaxjones]

Biggest issues for KSU:  The apparent authority of Bob Krause to sign these types of documents.

Biggest issues for Ron Prince:  Was his little LLC actually legally in existence when he signed that MOU on behalf of said LLC.

This countersuit/claim IMO is nothing more than Cornich/Prince trying to get KSU to the table to negotiate a settlement.  As some of the legal eagles elsewhere pointed out, unless damages were expressely laid out in the employment contract than it's extremely difficult to get anything like that in a contract dispute.  Also, as they pointed out, the KSU lawyers need to get this moved to the Riley County Courts . . . if that happens, IMO Cornich/Prince will be running for the settlement table.   Thiese claims by Prince as others have stated, and I agree, are nothing more than Cornich/Prince trying to publically embarrass certain parties at KSU, so they'll go beg the current administration to sit down and settle this deal ASAP.

[MadCat]

good catch there paddington.

Someone should document the evolution of this name before it gets lost in iniquity/ubiquity/somethingquity.

[GoldbrickGangBoss]

Biggest issues for KSU:  The apparent authority of Bob Krause to sign these types of documents.

Biggest issues for Ron Prince:  Was his little LLC actually legally in existence when he signed that MOU on behalf of said LLC.

This countersuit/claim IMO is nothing more than Cornich/Prince trying to get KSU to the table to negotiate a settlement.  As some of the legal eagles elsewhere pointed out, unless damages were expressely laid out in the employment contract than it's extremely difficult to get anything like that in a contract dispute.  Also, as they pointed out, the KSU lawyers need to get this moved to the Riley County Courts . . . if that happens, IMO Cornich/Prince will be running for the settlement table.   Thiese claims by Prince as others have stated, and I agree, are nothing more than Cornich/Prince trying to publically embarrass certain parties at KSU, so they'll go beg the current administration to sit down and settle this deal ASAP.

Prince is a master linguist. A snake with a silver tongue.

He's already got your $3 mil in damages. You just don't know it yet.

[MadCat]

Biggest issues for KSU:  The apparent authority of Bob Krause to sign these types of documents.

Biggest issues for Ron Prince:  Was his little LLC actually legally in existence when he signed that MOU on behalf of said LLC.

This countersuit/claim IMO is nothing more than Cornich/Prince trying to get KSU to the table to negotiate a settlement.  As some of the legal eagles elsewhere pointed out, unless damages were expressely laid out in the employment contract than it's extremely difficult to get anything like that in a contract dispute.  Also, as they pointed out, the KSU lawyers need to get this moved to the Riley County Courts . . . if that happens, IMO Cornich/Prince will be running for the settlement table.   Thiese claims by Prince as others have stated, and I agree, are nothing more than Cornich/Prince trying to publically embarrass certain parties at KSU, so they'll go beg the current administration to sit down and settle this deal ASAP.

Prince is a master linguist. A snake with a silver tongue.

He's already got your $3 mil in damages. You just don't know it yet.

It's all in office supplies and Nike apparel.

[D-Rock]

Biggest issues for Ron Prince:  Was his little LLC actually legally in existence when he signed that MOU on behalf of said LLC.

Not a lawyer, but my understanding is that the date of formation of the LLC doesn't really matter as long as it was implied that it would be formed prior to any payment.  So, I think Prince's issue on that front is more that he formed IPP, LLC.  IPP is only used as an abbreviation in the MOU, the actual legal entity in the documnet is In Pursuit of Perfection, LLC.  As some may remember, upon discovering this mistake, KSU registered In Pursuit of Perfection, LLC.

Furthermore, the MOU only makes reference to the "Owner" of the LLC, doesn't reference Prince by name.  The only place Prince's name shows up is on the signature above "Owner of IPP" or whatever the signature line said.

[sonofdaxjones]

Biggest issues for Ron Prince:  Was his little LLC actually legally in existence when he signed that MOU on behalf of said LLC.

Not a lawyer, but my understanding is that the date of formation of the LLC doesn't really matter as long as it was implied that it would be formed prior to any payment.  So, I think Prince's issue on that front is more that he formed IPP, LLC.  IPP is only used as an abbreviation in the MOU, the actual legal entity in the documnet is In Pursuit of Perfection, LLC.  As some may remember, upon discovering this mistake, KSU registered In Pursuit of Perfection, LLC.

Furthermore, the MOU only makes reference to the "Owner" of the LLC, doesn't reference Prince by name.  The only place Prince's name shows up is on the signature above "Owner of IPP" or whatever the signature line said.

Makes sense . . . either way Prince is walking away with a 7 digit figure in addition to his publically disclosed buyout.

[LimestoneOutcropping]

Biggest issues for Ron Prince:  Was his little LLC actually legally in existence when he signed that MOU on behalf of said LLC.

Not a lawyer, but my understanding is that the date of formation of the LLC doesn't really matter as long as it was implied that it would be formed prior to any payment.  So, I think Prince's issue on that front is more that he formed IPP, LLC.  IPP is only used as an abbreviation in the MOU, the actual legal entity in the documnet is In Pursuit of Perfection, LLC.  As some may remember, upon discovering this mistake, KSU registered In Pursuit of Perfection, LLC.

Furthermore, the MOU only makes reference to the "Owner" of the LLC, doesn't reference Prince by name.  The only place Prince's name shows up is on the signature above "Owner of IPP" or whatever the signature line said.

Makes sense . . . either way Prince is walking away with a 7 digit figure in addition to his publically disclosed buyout.

And Weefs is likely exposed as either a liar or an incompetent.