Some Qb questions answered......

[jrod06]

As I was observing Skeleton practice the other day at the complex, I noticed a few things.....First as we new Carson is the Starter as of now. I know this for sure because he was the only one out of the four wearing shoulder pads. Thats right guys I said four qb's. For those of you counting, including many poster's dream qb Thomas, he would make five with the others CC, CK, JK, and GG. Some good news however is that DT was there practicing, but as a RB.
So in the two deep QB, RB, WR, and TE we have #1 QB as CC with Keithen, Childs, and Thomas as RB's. Brown, Snipes, Banks, and Quarles as WR's. For TE Braden Wilson was practicing along with Travis Tannihill. I didnt see Mastrud anywhere.
Discuss.....

[Pett]

Great update. Thanks a lot man!

RB is the suck as of now. Hopefully Flanders/Thomas/or Hubert are legit.

& hopefully Mastrud isn't hurt.

[KanSt43]

D. Thomas will play at QB some point in the season...

great update by the way...

[jrod06]

Forgot to put in that Gregory was the #2.....

[Pett]

Forgot to put in that Gregory was the #2.....

Did it look like Wilson or Tannihill had any hands whatsoever?

& just curious, how were you able to observe the practice? Sounds like somebody is a lucky dog...

[jrod06]

The TE answer is yes, both were catching extremely well, but I still forsee Wilson as a FB in Snyd's offense. But because this was just a passing exercise I figured that was the reason he was getting reps there. Oh and as much as I would love to divulge how I know all these wonderful things.....

[Pett]

Thanks man.

Oh, and...

Oh and as much as I would love to divulge how I know all these wonderful things.....

I do have PM though.

[steve dave]

The TE answer is yes, both were catching extremely well, but I still forsee Wilson as a FB in Snyd's offense. But because this was just a passing exercise I figured that was the reason he was getting reps there. Oh and as much as I would love to divulge how I know all these wonderful things.....

jrod06 just got added to the list of people I need to make real life friends with.

[PowercatPat]

Who was playing FB?

[Legore]

Who was playing FB?

Doesn't sound like they were using a FB in this drill.  I think Wilson is going to play a hybird fb/te maybe more like an H-back. 

As for the QB's I think with Thomas he just got here too late and there is too much in snyder's offense for  him to make a serious run at being the starter.  I'm sure he'll line up at QB at some point and I still wouldn't be shocked to see him back competing at QB this spring depending on how the other QB's do and how the other RB's do this fall.  He'll be much more valuable to us this year as a RB then he would a 3rd string QB. 

[MadCat]

Anybody think Childs will be a FB too?

[jrod06]

The TE answer is yes, both were catching extremely well, but I still forsee Wilson as a FB in Snyd's offense. But because this was just a passing exercise I figured that was the reason he was getting reps there. Oh and as much as I would love to divulge how I know all these wonderful things.....

jrod06 just got added to the list of people I need to make real life friends with.


 

[fatty fat fat]

thanks for the info, j-06.

[jrod06]

Anybody think Childs will be a FB too?

I dont think that Childs has the size that LSnyder typically looks for in his past FB's. But....I also think that we will be seeing many shotgun two back sets judging from observations from tuesday....

[HOFcanwait]

Anybody think Childs will be a FB too?

I dont think that Childs has the size that LSnyder typically looks for in his past FB's. But....I also think that we will be seeing many shotgun two back sets judging from observations from tuesday....

sounds good

[JTKSU]

Anybody think Childs will be a FB too?

I dont think that Childs has the size that LSnyder typically looks for in his past FB's. But....I also think that we will be seeing many shotgun two back sets judging from observations from tuesday....

Dude's a hell of a lot bigger than Rock was.  I imagine that Snyder will gear the offense around the players he has, not the other way around like some other douche bag coach we used to have.

[Pett]

Anybody think Childs will be a FB too?

I dont think that Childs has the size that LSnyder typically looks for in his past FB's. But....I also think that we will be seeing many shotgun two back sets judging from observations from tuesday....

Childs is 6'1" - 6'2". Not too bad. Victor Mann was 6'2" & Rock was 5'8"...

I think Jarell ends up @ FB...

[ew2x4]

I imagine that Snyder will gear the offense around the players he has, not the other way around like some other douche bag coach we used to have.

Just like Marshall in '03.

[JTKSU]

Anybody think Childs will be a FB too?

I dont think that Childs has the size that LSnyder typically looks for in his past FB's. But....I also think that we will be seeing many shotgun two back sets judging from observations from tuesday....

Childs is 6'1 - 6'2. Not too bad. Both Victor Mann & Travis Wilson were 6'2...

I think Jarell ends up @ FB...

Mann- 6'2", 230
Wilson- 6'4", 240
Childs- 6'1", 220

[JTKSU]

I imagine that Snyder will gear the offense around the players he has, not the other way around like some other douche bag coach we used to have.

Just like Marshall in '03.

Can't really change an entire offensive philosophy for one game. 

[opcat]

Defense?

[wildcat79]

I can see some special plays designed around Thomas. Can't wait to see this team roll out. I have a sense that they will be more than respectful. I see this team hanging tough for four quarters 

[FBWillie]

D. Thomas will play at QB some point in the season...

great update by the way...

I really think KSU would be in worse shape than everyone is expecting if this were to become true.   I'm going to just say it now.  DT is NOT the second coming of Bishop/Roberson or even a Webb.   

[jrod06]

Defense?

The session I witnessed was only QB's, RB's TE's, and WR's.

[bigdeal]

I think this year is Coffman or Gregory with next year adding Harper to the mix with Coffman.  Thomas hasn't had the time to learn and implement the offense on the field but, if he's been there all summer, I suspect Snyder has analyzed things overall and thinks the team is in better shape (has a greater need) for Thomas' skills at RB.  Next year I believe he thinks either Coffman, Harper or some future recruit could hold down the QB job.  To put Thomas at QB this year with limited knowledge/experience in the offense and more questions at RB, then next year again have Coffman and Thomas, along with Harper battling at QB and a greater potential weakness at RB may have not made sense to Snyder.  Filling holes and creating some consistency, I suspect these two considerations go into Thomas being an RB.....or, Snyder saw him throw on film and on campus and doesn't like what he sees so he doesn't want an otherwise talented guy hanging around on the bench while he tries to create a throwing motion and needing him desperately at RB.  Whichever it is, I will trust Snyder on this one because if anyone loves the athletic run and throw QB it is Snyder so if he doesn't think Thomas makes us alot better there then I will defer to his opinion. 

[JTKSU]

I think this year is Coffman or Gregory with next year adding Harper to the mix with Coffman.  Thomas hasn't had the time to learn and implement the offense on the field but, if he's been there all summer, I suspect Snyder has analyzed things overall and thinks the team is in better shape (has a greater need) for Thomas' skills at RB.  Next year I believe he thinks either Coffman, Harper or some future recruit could hold down the QB job.  To put Thomas at QB this year with limited knowledge/experience in the offense and more questions at RB, then next year again have Coffman and Thomas, along with Harper battling at QB and a greater potential weakness at RB may have not made sense to Snyder.  Filling holes and creating some consistency, I suspect these two considerations go into Thomas being an RB.....or, Snyder saw him throw on film and on campus and doesn't like what he sees so he doesn't want an otherwise talented guy hanging around on the bench while he tries to create a throwing motion and needing him desperately at RB.  Whichever it is, I will trust Snyder on this one because if anyone loves the athletic run and throw QB it is Snyder so if he doesn't think Thomas makes us alot better there then I will defer to his opinion. 

So far Thomas has lined up all over the place on O including QB, but in a wildcat type of offense.  All the players seem to think the dude is a very special athlete and can do a ton of things on the field.  Sounds like it will be Coffman and Gregory's job to take command of.  BUT, Synds has also said that he really likes what he has seen from Kass and Klein so far, so it won't be just a 2 person battle for the spot.  It would be really neat to see Klein win the job, in for no other reason than for the opportunities for him split out wide while Thomas takes direct snaps.  Apparently, the have already run plays with Carson split out, but that doesn't seem quite as impressive sounding to me.  Also, Hubert has looked very nice back at RB.  Haven't heard much about Flanders, but supposedly Tremaine is another Banks, so that would be nice to have another open field threat on the field.  (Even if it's only for X amount of snaps per game.)  Would (ideally) like to see Hubert take over the starting spot at RB, Thomas in and out of the backfield/ split out, and Gregory at the helm.  Course, no of this matters if we don't improve dramatically over the entire OL.  Oh, and some defense would probably be beneficial as well.

[steve dave]

sd ksu QB situation summary:
09:  Prolly sucky.  PROVE ME WRONG WHITE GUYS!
10:  HARPER=ELL!
11:  SEE 10
12:  SEE 11
13:   

[ew2x4]

I imagine that Snyder will gear the offense around the players he has, not the other way around like some other douche bag coach we used to have.

Just like Marshall in '03.

Can't really change an entire offensive philosophy for one game. 

Schwinn had more runs that Sproles. That's not a philosophy, that's retardation.

[FBWillie]

I imagine that Snyder will gear the offense around the players he has, not the other way around like some other douche bag coach we used to have.

Just like Marshall in '03.

Can't really change an entire offensive philosophy for one game. 

Schwinn had more runs that Sproles. That's not a philosophy, that's retardation.

 

You could make the argument that it was partially schwinn's fault for never pitch'n the ball; but considering his success at doing that... KSU may have been better off if he had never attempted one all day.

[JTKSU]

I imagine that Snyder will gear the offense around the players he has, not the other way around like some other douche bag coach we used to have.

Just like Marshall in '03.

Can't really change an entire offensive philosophy for one game. 

Schwinn had more runs that Sproles. That's not a philosophy, that's retardation.

 

You could make the argument that it was partially schwinn's fault for never pitch'n the ball; but considering his success at doing that... KSU may have been better off if he had never attempted one all day.

Without Ell running the option, it's much easier to simply force the QB to carry the ball.  Schwinn wasn't exactly enough of a threat to keep Marshall's D honest.  Also, Schwinn wasn't much of a threat to throw the ball either, so it's not real big surprise that our offense seriously struggled without Ell that year.  As we've discussed ad nauseum on this board, by 2003 our poor recruiting was beginning to become evident.  We still had enough very good players to fill out a starting line-up, but depth was getting thin.  No way in the world should a conference champion caliber team have a Schwinn as their #2 QB.