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March 03, 2009, 01:47:43 PM
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God Bill Self is such a terrible coach.  It's not like he has taken a bunch of freshman and two upperclassmen and is going to win the Big XII for the 5th consecutive time.  Man do I wish that ku had Frank Martin as their coach.  Not to mention the Big XII tourney titles and the National Title from 2008.   :dancin:

March 03, 2009, 02:19:42 PM
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God Bill Self is such a terrible coach.  It's not like he has taken a bunch of freshman and two upperclassmen and is going to win the Big XII for the 5th consecutive time.  Man do I wish that ku had Frank Martin as their coach.  Not to mention the Big XII tourney titles and the National Title from 2008.   :dancin:

A trained chimp could do that at uk.  And a humanzee would have won multiple NCs with all the talent Self has had to work.

March 03, 2009, 05:13:54 PM
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I like Bill Self.  He seems like a pretty cool guy.  And one time I almost ran him over outside of the movie theatre and he didn't even act very pissed.

March 03, 2009, 05:14:55 PM
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I like Bill Self.  He seems like a pretty cool guy.  And one time I almost ran him over outside of the movie theatre and he didn't even act very pissed.

As long as you don't muss up the weave, you're fine.


March 03, 2009, 05:33:07 PM
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u put upwards of 30 other coaches in the situation bill is in and they do as good or better.  half the league doesn't give a crap about winning in basketball and with the unbalanced schedule ukans is a lock to finish in the top 2-3 every year and get a good seed out of it.  you sprinkle in an ncaa that only cares about counting the dollars cbs sends their way which allows guys like self (and the school in general) to get away with whatever they want on the recruiting trail and you have one of the easiest situations to win in.

face it, self didn't do anything real special b4 ukans, and it took 5 yrs and 5 nba draft picks and a lot of cheating to finally get to the final 4 last season. 

for self to prove anything to me he'll have to win w/o cheating and get to multiple final fours the next few yrs. (hell, roy went to more final 4s in his first 5 years and he started with far less in a much stronger league).  doing great in the big 12 is completely meaningless, its a watered down league with little success nationally.



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1.  Bill Self has a higher winning percentage at ku than Roy Williams did when he was here.  He's been better than any other coach in ku history.  You're truly ignorant if you think 30 other coaches could just walk into ku and do what Self has done.  It's not that easy to recruit and to meet the expectations at an elite school..  You want a recent example?  Look at Kentucky.  Look at the slump UCLA experienced during the Lavin era.


2.  The Big 12 is one of the best conferences in the country, period.  The past three years, the Big 12 has had the best player in the country:  Durant, Beasley, and B. Griffin.  No, the Big 12 isn't the Big East or even the ACC in most years, but it's a very good conference overall with a few big-time programs. 


3.   Reaching the Final Four isn't easy.  Mizzou has never been to the Final Four in the history of their basketball program.  Your expectations are insanely high if you expected Self to have multiple National Championships in his first five years at ku.  So far, he's taken ku to three Elite Eights, one Final Four, and a National Championship.  You can throw in multiple Big 12 conference titles on top of that. 

March 03, 2009, 11:25:51 PM
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anyway, bill had to filter out players and get his own to run his style of play. takes a few years for that process to take lbbiq nation. you bring up roy and his final fours and yet he did not get it done at kansas. bill is one for one at the final four. he'll be just fine and just think .....ksuck gets to deal with him for probably a couple more decades.   :cheers:

roy got to the FF within 2 yrs with a whole new system coming off of probation and didnt need 5 nba players or questionable recruiting to get it done

March 03, 2009, 11:26:12 PM
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for self to prove anything to me he'll have to win w/o cheating

that's retarded.  why prove you can win w/o cheating when no one cares if you cheat?  seff and perkins are really good at what they do.  they should be congratulated and we should try to emulate that.

touche'

March 03, 2009, 11:39:29 PM
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1.  Bill Self has a higher winning percentage at ku than Roy Williams did when he was here.  He's been better than any other coach in ku history.  You're truly ignorant if you think 30 other coaches could just walk into ku and do what Self has done.  It's not that easy to recruit and to meet the expectations at an elite school..  You want a recent example?  Look at Kentucky.  Look at the slump UCLA experienced during the Lavin era.

2.  The Big 12 is one of the best conferences in the country, period.  The past three years, the Big 12 has had the best player in the country:  Durant, Beasley, and B. Griffin.  No, the Big 12 isn't the Big East or even the ACC in most years, but it's a very good conference overall with a few big-time programs. 

3.   Reaching the Final Four isn't easy.  Mizzou has never been to the Final Four in the history of their basketball program.  Your expectations are insanely high if you expected Self to have multiple National Championships in his first five years at ku.  So far, he's taken ku to three Elite Eights, one Final Four, and a National Championship.  You can throw in multiple Big 12 conference titles on top of that. 

self started w/ more and the big 12 is a lot more watered down than the big 8 ever was.
i dont think i would consider lavin or gillespe good hires even at the time.  could prob find 30 better coaches than those 2 when they were hired.

the big 12 is well known to have underachieved in the ncaa's and getting teams into the FF compared to most other conferences.  face it, ukans is the only school in the big 12 that cares more about b-ball than fb and thats how its been for a long long time and it isn't that way in most of the other big conferences.  theres at least more than 1.

i didnt say multiple nc's.  i would have thought more than 1 FF if he's truly elite. 

hey, i'll be all over self's nuts if he can get to another FF and ukans isn't on probation during or right after it.  would like to see if he can do it w/ just 2 or less nba draft picks.  my theory is he's pretty much all (questionable) recruiting and just out talenting a week conf to get a high seed in the tourney which usually equates at least sweet 16, and w/ a good matchup elite 8.

March 04, 2009, 12:17:44 AM
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anyway, bill had to filter out players and get his own to run his style of play. takes a few years for that process to take lbbiq nation. you bring up roy and his final fours and yet he did not get it done at kansas. bill is one for one at the final four. he'll be just fine and just think .....ksuck gets to deal with him for probably a couple more decades.   :cheers:

roy got to the FF within 2 yrs with a whole new system coming off of probation and didnt need 5 nba players or questionable recruiting to get it done

Point is roy was 0fer with all his final fours at kansas. Bill nailed his first try in his first 5 years. Brings a tear to your eye, you know what I mean? oh, never mind....it's kinda like being world champ in soild judging.    :kstatriot:

March 04, 2009, 12:30:54 AM
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1.  Bill Self has a higher winning percentage at ku than Roy Williams did when he was here.  He's been better than any other coach in ku history.  You're truly ignorant if you think 30 other coaches could just walk into ku and do what Self has done.  It's not that easy to recruit and to meet the expectations at an elite school..  You want a recent example?  Look at Kentucky.  Look at the slump UCLA experienced during the Lavin era.

2.  The Big 12 is one of the best conferences in the country, period.  The past three years, the Big 12 has had the best player in the country:  Durant, Beasley, and B. Griffin.  No, the Big 12 isn't the Big East or even the ACC in most years, but it's a very good conference overall with a few big-time programs. 

3.   Reaching the Final Four isn't easy.  Mizzou has never been to the Final Four in the history of their basketball program.  Your expectations are insanely high if you expected Self to have multiple National Championships in his first five years at ku.  So far, he's taken ku to three Elite Eights, one Final Four, and a National Championship.  You can throw in multiple Big 12 conference titles on top of that. 

self started w/ more and the big 12 is a lot more watered down than the big 8 ever was.
i dont think i would consider lavin or gillespe good hires even at the time.  could prob find 30 better coaches than those 2 when they were hired.

the big 12 is well known to have underachieved in the ncaa's and getting teams into the FF compared to most other conferences.  face it, ukans is the only school in the big 12 that cares more about b-ball than fb and thats how its been for a long long time and it isn't that way in most of the other big conferences.  theres at least more than 1.

i didnt say multiple nc's.  i would have thought more than 1 FF if he's truly elite. 

hey, i'll be all over self's nuts if he can get to another FF and ukans isn't on probation during or right after it.  would like to see if he can do it w/ just 2 or less nba draft picks.  my theory is he's pretty much all (questionable) recruiting and just out talenting a week conf to get a high seed in the tourney which usually equates at least sweet 16, and w/ a good matchup elite 8.


Self took Tulsa to the Elite Eight in 2000.  They didn't have any McDonald AA's or NBA draft picks.  That argument just doesn't have any sort of validity.  Self has won every place he's coached.  The fact that Self and the ku coaching staff bring in talent is what makes them one of the best in the country.  If you can't see the toughness and the defensive intensity that Self's teams display, you should just stop watching basketball. 

The Big 12 is one of the top conferences in the nation.  Outside of the ACC and Big East, every BCS conference is a "football conference."  Football is the dominant revenue sport.  When the Big 12 is bringing in talent like Durant, Beasley, B. Griffin, etc, etc, the notion that the Big 12 is "watered down" is completely laughable.  Sure, this season, the Big 12 is down compared to what it has been over the last several years, but the '08 recruiting class was weak, so not as much one-and-done type of talent is on display this year.