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December 12, 2008, 01:24:30 AM
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I just got back from KC and it's late, but here are a few notes from courtside/backstage tonight at the game...

- Sprint Center was once again top notch. Never ceases to amaze me that KC went all out for such a high class place in comparison to Kemper. P&L has really come along as well for those of you who haven't visited since the game last year against FAMU.
- Attendance was listed at a less than astonishing 6,054 and that seems about right. It was pretty ugly folks. I know Beaz was a big draw last year, but we couldn't even fill the lower bowl (neither of the baseline ends had spectators) and the Sprint Center curtained off the top. Despite the crowd, their were parts of the game where it was somewhat loud.
- I could actually hear the warmup and timeout videos. Just goes to show how crappy Bramlage sound system is.
- Beer was served, and K-Staters had their share. After the game as the media was finishing up and heading out, Frank Martin was wrapping up his sit down with Wyatt Thompson for their TV show I'm sure and a fan from one of the boxes yelled down "FRANK!!! YOU'RE THE MAN FRANK!! KEEP FEEDING IT TO LOU!! YA FRANK!!"  The head coach turned around as he exited back to the locker room and yelled through the empty arena "Thank you. And whatever you're on, I want some too!" It was good stuff.
- It's become clear that Jamar Samuels and Fred Brown will never fully help or play serious minutes for this team until they show they can play defense. Both have tremendous offensive abilities, but Samuels and Brown both struggle with nonsense fouls and turnovers. Didn't help that Brown had his worst shooting night of the season.
- Despite what you (and definitely I think) Frank does not think that Denis is out of control on some of his drives. The coach said in press it has more to do with others not being there to put it in when #21 does miss than Denis' shot itself. I beg to differ after seeing some of his selections tonight.
- Larry Eustache is nearly as angry a man as Frank. You can tell he longs for the days with Marcus Fizer and Co. At one point after a stupid foul by his Eagles he went along the lines of asking one his players if they were "going to be a worthless son of a b****" the rest of the night. I gotta say though, he brought some good looking ladies from the southland that were sitting behind the bench toward the end of the row.  :lick:
- Whitlock was in attendance. We'll see what tomorrow's article holds. He did mention that he thought tonight's performance was the best without Beasley "on the court" (last season or this season). However, I get the feeling tonight was the first game he watched since USC. He also walked out of Frank's presser early, something the Coach doesn't take kindly to.  :chainsaw:
- Jacob Pullen compared Lou to...get this...the man-god himself following tonight's game. "I laughed because I called him Beasley today because he made everything so easy. I got shots at the elbow and open threes. Denis (Clemente) got open threes, Dominique (Sutton) got open shots too. He just made everything easier. When our big guys play as good as they did today it just makes everything easier.”
- Finally, despite what players and coaches say, this was not a very impressive Southern Miss team. As a Memphis fan, tonight was also a time for me to scout a team I had heard would challenge us in the C-USA this season. I find that hard to believe. They muscled with K-State, but they have a long way to go and surely didn't look like a team that returned 4 seasoned starters. Still Luis mentioned that it was a big win because if the Cats  want to make the NCAA Tournament, they need to win every game left. At least they still have the bar set high!
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December 12, 2008, 01:52:29 AM
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- Whitlock was in attendance. We'll see what tomorrow's article holds. He did mention that he thought tonight's performance was the best without Beasley "on the court" (last season or this season). However, I get the feeling tonight was the first game he watched since USC. He also walked out of Frank's presser early, something the Coach doesn't take kindly to.  :chainsaw:

He couldn't stop himself from taking a few shots at Frank but it's as positive a column as he's written about anything K-State in a while:

http://www.kansascity.com/165/story/933599.html
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December 12, 2008, 02:14:43 AM
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I just got back from KC and it's late, but here are a few notes from courtside/backstage tonight at the game...

- Sprint Center was once again top notch. Never ceases to amaze me that KC went all out for such a high class place in comparison to Kemper. P&L has really come along as well for those of you who haven't visited since the game last year against FAMU.
- Attendance was listed at a less than astonishing 6,054 and that seems about right. It was pretty ugly folks. I know Beaz was a big draw last year, but we couldn't even fill the lower bowl (neither of the baseline ends had spectators) and the Sprint Center curtained off the top. Despite the crowd, their were parts of the game where it was somewhat loud.
- I could actually hear the warmup and timeout videos. Just goes to show how crappy Bramlage sound system is.
- Beer was served, and K-Staters had their share. After the game as the media was finishing up and heading out, Frank Martin was wrapping up his sit down with Wyatt Thompson for their TV show I'm sure and a fan from one of the boxes yelled down "FRANK!!! YOU'RE THE MAN FRANK!! KEEP FEEDING IT TO LOU!! YA FRANK!!"  The head coach turned around as he exited back to the locker room and yelled through the empty arena "Thank you. And whatever you're on, I want some too!" It was good stuff.
- It's become clear that Jamar Samuels and Fred Brown will never fully help or play serious minutes for this team until they show they can play defense. Both have tremendous offensive abilities, but Samuels and Brown both struggle with nonsense fouls and turnovers. Didn't help that Brown had his worst shooting night of the season.
- Despite what you (and definitely I think) Frank does not think that Denis is out of control on some of his drives. The coach said in press it has more to do with others not being there to put it in when #21 does miss than Denis' shot itself. I beg to differ after seeing some of his selections tonight.
- Larry Eustache is nearly as angry a man as Frank. You can tell he longs for the days with Marcus Fizer and Co. At one point after a stupid foul by his Eagles he went along the lines of asking one his players if they were "going to be a worthless son of a b****" the rest of the night. I gotta say though, he brought some good looking ladies from the southland that were sitting behind the bench toward the end of the row.  :lick:
- Whitlock was in attendance. We'll see what tomorrow's article holds. He did mention that he thought tonight's performance was the best without Beasley "on the court" (last season or this season). However, I get the feeling tonight was the first game he watched since USC. He also walked out of Frank's presser early, something the Coach doesn't take kindly to.  :chainsaw:
- Jacob Pullen compared Lou to...get this...the man-god himself following tonight's game. "I laughed because I called him Beasley today because he made everything so easy. I got shots at the elbow and open threes. Denis (Clemente) got open threes, Dominique (Sutton) got open shots too. He just made everything easier. When our big guys play as good as they did today it just makes everything easier.”
- Finally, despite what players and coaches say, this was not a very impressive Southern Miss team. As a Memphis fan, tonight was also a time for me to scout a team I had heard would challenge us in the C-USA this season. I find that hard to believe. They muscled with K-State, but they have a long way to go and surely didn't look like a team that returned 4 seasoned starters. Still Luis mentioned that it was a big win because if the Cats  want to make the NCAA Tournament, they need to win every game left. At least they still have the bar set high!
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nice recap  :love:, but i wish pullen and clemente could shoot it as bad as fred from behind the arc.  40% on an off night  :eyeseeyou:

December 12, 2008, 03:06:48 AM
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- Attendance was listed at a less than astonishing 6,054 and that seems about right. It was pretty ugly folks. I know Beaz was a big draw last year, but we couldn't even fill the lower bowl (neither of the baseline ends had spectators) and the Sprint Center curtained off the top. Despite the crowd, their were parts of the game where it was somewhat loud.

...not to mention this game was included in everyone's season ticket packages last year

oh, and it was after finals so all the students were on break

oh, and the sprint center was a brand new arena so more people were curious to see what it was like

The athletic department once again did a fantastic job of getting people to this game.

December 12, 2008, 07:57:44 AM
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Jamar got taken out for what seemed like the entire game after his foul on the offensive end.  Him and one of the So. Miss players (can't remember which one) were getting a bit too physical and it was only a matter of time until someone retaliated.

December 12, 2008, 09:09:21 AM
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- Whitlock was in attendance. We'll see what tomorrow's article holds. He did mention that he thought tonight's performance was the best without Beasley "on the court" (last season or this season). However, I get the feeling tonight was the first game he watched since USC. He also walked out of Frank's presser early, something the Coach doesn't take kindly to.  :chainsaw:

He couldn't stop himself from taking a few shots at Frank but it's as positive a column as he's written about anything K-State in a while:

http://www.kansascity.com/165/story/933599.html

The Star is struggling and would seriously consider dumping a bloated salary like JW's given enough reasons.  Expect some solid sucking up to all 3 fanbases this season.

December 12, 2008, 09:35:18 AM
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December 12, 2008, 10:02:34 AM
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I'd more or less agree with your assessment...

I'd argue your point that Brown has 'tremendous offensive abilities' to death though.  The kid can shoot a little (when there isn't anybody within 6 feet of him so that chest shot of his doesn't get blocked), but he is a statue.  Doesn't move a whole lot away from the abll, and when he does, he is basically circiling the perimeter.  I didn't see any cuts from him to the rim.  Awaji looked better in his 3 minutes of play than Brown did in his 20...

I was impressed with Samuels.  He is still pretty raw, but he was usually where he was supposed to be on the court, which is something to build around for a young player...

Luis Colon was a freaking beast.  Last night was also the first time I realized that he looked like Bill Cosby's bastard evil child.  Seriously. 

Pullen took a couple of really dumb 3's.  Clemente is DEFINITELY out of control.  Last night he actually made one of those running layup, jumpshot, hook thingys, you know the ones. The ones that Stanbot says is 'his game' or 'his shot' ad nauseum, despite his never making one.  He wasted 2 or 3 breaks when he was 1 on 3 with no help coming, yet he drove right into the teeth of the defense as opposed to pulling it out, or waiting for the kickback 3.

December 12, 2008, 12:04:41 PM
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he shoots 40 &@#%ing %.  who the hell cares what his shot looks like.
"these are no longer “games” in the commonly accepted sense of the term. these are free throw shooting contests leavened by the occasional sprint to the other end of the floor."

December 12, 2008, 12:42:48 PM
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So you don't have to click craplocks link:

We’re going to spend a lot of time this season dissecting Frank Martin’s ability to lead the Kansas State Wildcats on the basketball court.

Bob Huggins, Michael Beasley and Bill Walker, the men responsible for Martin landing the K-State coaching job, are gone now, off to bigger and better jobs. The 2008-09 season is all about K-State’s unlikely coach.

If you’re keeping score at home, Martin scored a major winner Thursday night at the Sprint Center, directing the Wildcats to an impressive 74-55 thumping of Southern Mississippi.

Yes, I’m aware that Southern Mississippi isn’t very good. Larry Eustachy’s Golden Eagles play four guards and a forward, and they’re a middle-of-the-road team in Conference USA, a league with one legitimate team (Memphis).

But, again, the 2008-09 season is all about Frank Martin. The opponents don’t matter. All we care about is whether Martin can get a group of kids to follow most of his instructions for an entire season.

Thursday night we got a peek at our answer. Coming off three straight losses and playing in front of a sparse crowd, the Wildcats played their most complete game during the Martin era. I was impressed.

Without the moody and occasionally ball-hogging Bill Walker, it appears the Wildcats are going to settle into actual roles and maintain a consistent level of energy and intensity. They certainly have no aversion to playing defense. Led by swingman Dominique Sutton, the Wildcats seem determined to climb in the shorts of their opponents on the defensive end.

Sutton held Southern Mississippi’s leading scorer, Jeremy Wise, to one field goal and 11 points. Wise came into the game averaging 20.

“That’s what I do,” Sutton grinned.

The Golden Eagles hit just 31 percent of their shots.

We suspected the Wildcats would play defense. The real concern is on the offensive end. At times last season with Beasley and Walker, the Wildcats resembled an AAU squad on offense. There was virtually no structure. There have been times this season when the same could be said. But not Thursday night.

The Wildcats took advantage of their size advantage and a shocking performance by big man Luis Colon. They fed the ball to Colon in the low post, and he responded with 18 points, sinking the nine shots he fired.

“When our bigs play the way they did today, it just makes everything easier,” said guard Jacob Pullen, who scored 17.

Yeah, if Colon can produce half of the production (11 rebounds and two blocks) he did Thursday night in Big 12 play, the Wildcats will be the surprise of the conference. Having an inside scoring presence gave K-State’s offense structure and rhythm.

A year ago I thought Colon might be the worst scholarship player in the Big 12. He was overweight (290 pounds) and lacked the athletic ability to play high school ball at a high level. He’s still not much of an athlete, but he’s in far better shape (255). And Thursday he was the most important player on the court, producing the first double-double of his career.

You have to credit Martin and his coaching staff for developing Colon into a legitimate player.

I came to the Sprint Center expecting to write a column about Martin’s angry sideline demeanor. He made a fool out of himself during the Oregon game, cursing and ranting for the entire game in full view of the TV cameras.

Martin raved and ranted too much again Thursday. He still needs to tone it down. But his team’s play overshadowed Martin on this night. What happened on the court was more important and thought-provoking than Martin’s theatrics.

The players pretty much say they’re immune to Martin’s yelling.

“We knew Frank when we signed up for this,” Pullen laughed.

I have no idea how this is going to play out over a season. Colon may not score a point in conference play. The Wildcats might grow tired of Martin’s tantrums. Their lack of polished, skilled players could cause their offense to totally self-destruct.

Or they just might continue to get better. I’m going to keep an open mind. I enjoyed the surprise I witnessed Thursday night.

To reach Jason Whitlock, call 816-234-4869 or send e-mail to [email protected]. For previous columns, go to KansasCity.com

December 12, 2008, 01:26:07 PM
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he shoots 40 fracking %.  who the hell cares what his shot looks like.

I dont give a crap what it looks like, but i give a crap that he needs 6 feet of free space in front of him or else it gets blocked. 

December 12, 2008, 01:28:47 PM
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he shoots 40 fracking %.  who the hell cares what his shot looks like.

I dont give a crap what it looks like, but i give a crap that he needs 6 feet of free space in front of him or else it gets blocked. 

40% includes attempts that get blocked (i´ve never seen brown get blocked), altered, or pushed back 6 feet due his release.
"these are no longer “games” in the commonly accepted sense of the term. these are free throw shooting contests leavened by the occasional sprint to the other end of the floor."

December 12, 2008, 01:31:42 PM
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I really didn't see many bad shots last night.  The only ones that stood out were a couple of Brown's long two's.

December 12, 2008, 01:35:01 PM
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How many Buchi cards did you doods get?

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December 12, 2008, 01:36:44 PM
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just one.  I grab two "THIS IS MY K-STATE" decals.  One got ruined, and I leg Fr. Rusty take the other.  :frown:

December 12, 2008, 01:50:47 PM
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he shoots 40 fracking %.  who the hell cares what his shot looks like.

I dont give a crap what it looks like, but i give a crap that he needs 6 feet of free space in front of him or else it gets blocked. 

40% includes attempts that get blocked (i´ve never seen brown get blocked), altered, or pushed back 6 feet due his release.

I recall at least one or two being blocked / altered when he was in the lane but it's never been an issue from the outside.  Rob's just a hater. 
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December 12, 2008, 01:53:17 PM
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I recall at least one or two being blocked / altered when he was in the lane but it's never been an issue from the outside.  Rob's just a hater. 

sorry, should have been more clear.  i meant 3 attempts only.  seen him get blocked plenty inside.  good catch.
"these are no longer “games” in the commonly accepted sense of the term. these are free throw shooting contests leavened by the occasional sprint to the other end of the floor."

December 12, 2008, 01:56:12 PM
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I recall at least one or two being blocked / altered when he was in the lane but it's never been an issue from the outside.  Rob's just a hater. 

sorry, should have been more clear.  i meant 3 attempts only.  seen him get blocked plenty inside.  good catch.

Brown is really the only catch-and-shoot threat this team has from the outside.  Everyone else needs to catch, look around, put the ball on the floor and wander aimlessly back and forth for a bit while considering whether they should put up the shot or not.  I really don't understand the Fred Brown hate, at least on the offensive end. 
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December 12, 2008, 01:58:03 PM
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I really don't understand the Fred Brown hate, at least on the offensive end. 

people hate what they do not understand.  wise words.
"these are no longer “games” in the commonly accepted sense of the term. these are free throw shooting contests leavened by the occasional sprint to the other end of the floor."

December 12, 2008, 02:13:20 PM
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he shoots 40 fracking %.  who the hell cares what his shot looks like.

I dont give a crap what it looks like, but i give a crap that he needs 6 feet of free space in front of him or else it gets blocked. 

40% includes attempts that get blocked (i´ve never seen brown get blocked), altered, or pushed back 6 feet due his release.

I recall at least one or two being blocked / altered when he was in the lane but it's never been an issue from the outside.  Rob's just a hater. 

No, he was blocked at least twice from 3 or just inside the line last year (none yet this).  He has changed his shot a little this year so it's not as flat as last yaer.