Lots of former head coaches . . .

[sonofdaxjones]

who were decent coordinators looking for jobs right now.

Joe Glenn
Gregg Brandon
Sylvester Croom

[leawoodcat]

who were decent coordinators looking for jobs right now.

Joe Glenn
Gregg Brandon
Sylvester Croom

Probably Mark Snyder, Marshall's head coach and former tOSU defensive coordinator.

[sonofdaxjones]

Yep . . . he'll likely be available.

[Pete]

who were decent coordinators looking for jobs right now.

Joe Glenn
Gregg Brandon
Sylvester Croom

Which of those guys like being micro-managed to the point where they want to bring a gun to work?  We should avoid those.

[sonofdaxjones]

who were decent coordinators looking for jobs right now.

Joe Glenn
Gregg Brandon
Sylvester Croom

Which of those guys like being micro-managed to the point where they want to bring a gun to work?  We should avoid those.

Was just sayin . . . metal detectors went up today at Vanier.

[Pete]

who were decent coordinators looking for jobs right now.

Joe Glenn
Gregg Brandon
Sylvester Croom

Which of those guys like being micro-managed to the point where they want to bring a gun to work?  We should avoid those.

Was just sayin . . . metal detectors went up today at Vanier.

Could you imagine the change in lifestyle to go from being a head coach to being a complete bitch under Snyder?  It's amazing to think about.   Bob Stoops didn't mince words about that....and I think people paid notice.

[sonofdaxjones]

who were decent coordinators looking for jobs right now.

Joe Glenn
Gregg Brandon
Sylvester Croom

Which of those guys like being micro-managed to the point where they want to bring a gun to work?  We should avoid those.

Was just sayin . . . metal detectors went up today at Vanier.

Could you imagine the change in lifestyle to go from being a head coach to being a complete bitch under Snyder?  It's amazing to think about.   Bob Stoops didn't mince words about that....and I think people paid notice.

Thing is . . . I don't think Snyder will be as bad this time around (cue the "He'll never changebots" in 3...2...1) . . . if he's smart, he'll lighten up a bit.

[catzacker]

generally speaking, most people that do that same thing for, like, 17 years, change.

[Legore]

who were decent coordinators looking for jobs right now.

Joe Glenn
Gregg Brandon
Sylvester Croom

Which of those guys like being micro-managed to the point where they want to bring a gun to work?  We should avoid those.

Was just sayin . . . metal detectors went up today at Vanier.

Could you imagine the change in lifestyle to go from being a head coach to being a complete bitch under Snyder?  It's amazing to think about.   Bob Stoops didn't mince words about that....and I think people paid notice.

Snyder did what had to be done to win at KSU.  Not sure what people want a coach that is nice to work for who wins four games a year or Bill Snyder?   The thing is now everybody works hard like Snyder demanded back in the day so you can't really get an advantage just through hard work.  One reason I don't think he'll duplicate his success this time around.

Stoops left KSU to go work for Steve Spurrier who was famous for playing golf during the season.  All fine and good at Florida at that time but my guess is he's not doing that at South Carolina now.  Stoops said that Spurrier taught him you don't have to work 24/7 to win but then again Steve Spurrier has never and will never win at South Carolina the way Snyder won at KSU. 

[michigancat]

Is this thread suggesting KSU hire these losers, or that these are good examples of "decent coordinators" that couldn't cut it as head coaches?

Because both of those points are stupid.

Please enter answers, along w/ nonsense about a Rusty phog.net post below.

[catzacker]

Snyder did what had to be done to win at KSU.  Not sure what people want a coach that is nice to work for who wins four games a year or Bill Snyder?   The thing is now everybody works hard like Snyder demanded back in the day so you can't really get an advantage just through hard work.  One reason I don't think he'll duplicate his success this time around.

Stoops left KSU to go work for Steve Spurrier who was famous for playing golf during the season.  All fine and good at Florida at that time but my guess is he's not doing that at South Carolina now.  Stoops said that Spurrier taught him you don't have to work 24/7 to win but then again Steve Spurrier has never and will never win at South Carolina the way Snyder won at KSU. 

umm...maybe, just maybe, there's this happy medium where you don't have to be an anal prick who doesn't let assistants leave for potty breaks yet at the same time doesn't allow assistants to just take jamaican cruises during game week.  bill should look into that this time around. 

[AzCat]

who were decent coordinators looking for jobs right now.

Joe Glenn
Gregg Brandon
Sylvester Croom

Which of those guys like being micro-managed to the point where they want to bring a gun to work?  We should avoid those.

Was just sayin . . . metal detectors went up today at Vanier.

Could you imagine the change in lifestyle to go from being a head coach to being a complete bitch under Snyder?  It's amazing to think about.   Bob Stoops didn't mince words about that....and I think people paid notice.

Thing is . . . I don't think Snyder will be as bad this time around (cue the "He'll never changebots" in 3...2...1) . . . if he's smart, he'll lighten up a bit.

If he lightens up he won't win.  No doubt Snyder is an amazing HC but he won the first time around at KSU largely because he just flat worked harder and longer than anyone else in the league and demanded the same of his staff.  It's likely that a kinder, gentler, more laid-back Snyder who demands less of those working for him won't have anything like the success some fans are expecting. 

[catzacker]

he just needs to let his assistants have the proper amount of time to recruit.  but if he wants to think that the keys to his and ksu's success was "out working" people rather than getting juco all americans and then (at the time) being able to go land kids that didn't go to UT and OU because they sucked balls, then fine. 

[Pete]

Snyder did what had to be done to win at KSU.  Not sure what people want a coach that is nice to work for who wins four games a year or Bill Snyder?   The thing is now everybody works hard like Snyder demanded back in the day so you can't really get an advantage just through hard work.  One reason I don't think he'll duplicate his success this time around.

Stoops left KSU to go work for Steve Spurrier who was famous for playing golf during the season.  All fine and good at Florida at that time but my guess is he's not doing that at South Carolina now.  Stoops said that Spurrier taught him you don't have to work 24/7 to win but then again Steve Spurrier has never and will never win at South Carolina the way Snyder won at KSU. 

umm...maybe, just maybe, there's this happy medium where you don't have to be an anal prick who doesn't let assistants leave for potty breaks yet at the same time doesn't allow assistants to just take jamaican cruises during game week.  bill should look into that this time around. 

Remember that complete bullcrap speech by Old Balls about how he is now going to officially start being a human fracking-being to his family?  Well, that tells you how much of a fracking monster he was back in the day.

What really makes Bill Snyder a complete douche bag, is that he had the nerve to be a world class bastard to those who worked for him, yet was some how too "nice" to fire the pieces of crap who who couldn't get the job done.


Take Away?

Bill Snyder appreciates incompetent dudes who cling to his sack and jiggle it properly than he does quality coaches who have a less compassionate grasp on his balls.

[Legore]

Snyder did what had to be done to win at KSU.  Not sure what people want a coach that is nice to work for who wins four games a year or Bill Snyder?   The thing is now everybody works hard like Snyder demanded back in the day so you can't really get an advantage just through hard work.  One reason I don't think he'll duplicate his success this time around.

Stoops left KSU to go work for Steve Spurrier who was famous for playing golf during the season.  All fine and good at Florida at that time but my guess is he's not doing that at South Carolina now.  Stoops said that Spurrier taught him you don't have to work 24/7 to win but then again Steve Spurrier has never and will never win at South Carolina the way Snyder won at KSU. 

umm...maybe, just maybe, there's this happy medium where you don't have to be an anal prick who doesn't let assistants leave for potty breaks yet at the same time doesn't allow assistants to just take jamaican cruises during game week.  bill should look into that this time around. 

Remember that complete bullcrap speech by Old Balls about how he is now going to officially start being a human fracking-being to his family?  Well, that tells you how much of a fracking monster he was back in the day.

What really makes Bill Snyder a complete douche bag, is that he had the nerve to be a world class bastard to those who worked for him, yet was some how to "nice" to fire the pieces of crap who who could get the job done.


Take Away?

Bill Snyder appreciates incompetent dudes who cling to his sack and jiggle it properly than he does quality coaches who have a less compassionate grasp on his balls.

Not sure how you can take away anything other then he worked all of his guys hard and he was loyal to those that were loyal to him.  He's still loyal to some of his former assistants guys like Dimel and Leavitt worship the ground Snyder walks on and both were among the first to leave him.  I think it's more a matter of how guys left and why they left rather then the fact that they left.

I never get the argument about Snyder's staff and firing assistants  When should he have cleaned house and fired everyone?  In 2003 after winning the big 12 title game?  In 2004 after one bad season out of the last 10 and a year removed from the big 12 title?  He retired at the end of 05 so the answer has to be one of those two years.  Maybe he should have done it after 04 but it's not as cut and dry as people make it out to be given the circumstances at the time. 

[vtrboy]

would do back flips to get croom as co-dc and lb's coach

[frankencat]

who were decent coordinators looking for jobs right now.

Joe Glenn
Gregg Brandon
Sylvester Croom

Which of those guys like being micro-managed to the point where they want to bring a gun to work?  We should avoid those.

Some people need and desire discipline and direction, ever think of that eight ball

[fatty fat fat]

he just needs to let his assistants have the proper amount of time to recruit.  but if he wants to think that the keys to his and ksu's success was "out working" people rather than getting juco all americans and then (at the time) being able to go land kids that didn't go to UT and OU because they sucked balls, then fine. 

don't be dumb. "out working" = landing those types of recruits.

[catzacker]

he just needs to let his assistants have the proper amount of time to recruit.  but if he wants to think that the keys to his and ksu's success was "out working" people rather than getting juco all americans and then (at the time) being able to go land kids that didn't go to UT and OU because they sucked balls, then fine. 

don't be dumb. "out working" = landing those types of recruits.

no, the term "out working" means not allowing assistants the time to recruit and instead "out working" the other opponent by figuring out ways to prepare Dylan Meier for a game. 

after UT and OU got going, coupled with losing some quality assistants, we fell flat on our face (yeah, we won the conference with players that we got because of what other assistants had helped built).  all that "out working" didn't do sh*t on the field from '04 and '05 (and in recruiting from '02-'05).  again, talent, whether assistants or players is what is needed, not another 4 hours in Vanier finding ways to put Houlik in a better position, because it won't matter if Houlik is right in front of a RB or a WR, he's not going to make that tackle.