What I like most about Frank Martin's style

[michigancat]

Legitimately up-tempo!

http://kenpom.com/stats.php?y=2008&s=2

[chum1]

FWIW (probably nothing), averages through first three games:

Last year:  66 FG attempts, 75 points (includes Rutgers)
This year:  70 FG attempts, 82 points

[michigancat]

Second in the nation on offensive rebounding.  (Check out #1.)

http://kenpom.com/factors.php?t=o&s=7

[catzacker]

We seem to be more up tempo from our baseline to the other 3 point line, and then it stops and we run our highschool offense.  But we really do ge the ball out quicker.  I love Pullen. 

[michigancat]

We seem to be more up tempo from our baseline to the other 3 point line, and then it stops and we run our highschool offense.  But we really do ge the ball out quicker.  I love Pullen. 

I can see what he's trying to do....he wants to get the ball to ball side corner and try to get a quick post feed.  It works great and puts a lot of pressure on the defense if you run it right.  I think they got a couple baskets this way, but too often people aren't filling their spots or the PG retardedly brings the ball into traffic in the middle of the court.

[rcjh88]

As a ku fan here is my opinion on your offense.

First let me start by saying that Beasley is one of the best freshman I have ever seen. He is truly amazing and he will be fun for you all to watch all year. He is worth all the hype about  his play and even though I am not a big fan of his personality, he is great!

Walker is great as well and I think if Frank could put in a two man game with those two and have some of your shooters spot up, you could be tough to stop. I'm all for the fast paced game, but you all aren't that deep, and your best two scorers are inside guys. ( i know they can both shoot too, i'm just saying they are better inside) I think a lot of the problem right now is that they don't run ANY type of offense. Its one pass and shoot. It would be a rule on my team that the ball touches the hands of Beasley or Walker at least once before a shot goes up. Not saying that you don't take advantage of being open, but these guys are firing up shots from everywhere right now. Anyway that's my opinion, I will be interested to see if they start to run an offense when they play better competition.

[michigancat]

I don't have a problem with one pass and shoot in transition, as long as it isn't a two point jumper.  If they don't get a transition bucket, they've been running a set offense all the time.  It's really pretty rigid.  It just looks like crap because no one can shoot and the opposition is packing defenders in the paint and LOL'ing at BY 3 point attempts.

[catzacker]

We seem to be more up tempo from our baseline to the other 3 point line, and then it stops and we run our highschool offense.  But we really do ge the ball out quicker.  I love Pullen. 

I can see what he's trying to do....he wants to get the ball to ball side corner and try to get a quick post feed.  It works great and puts a lot of pressure on the defense if you run it right.  I think they got a couple baskets this way, but too often people aren't filling their spots or the PG retardedly brings the ball into traffic in the middle of the court.

That's probably the 2 biggest problems.  When Pullen is in, we don't get guys filling lanes quick enough, and then when Stew is in, he takes the ball from the wing and dribbles it into 3 defenders.  What Frank is trying to do is actually perfect for our team which has no shooters, but a lot of athletes. 

[michigancat]

We seem to be more up tempo from our baseline to the other 3 point line, and then it stops and we run our highschool offense.  But we really do ge the ball out quicker.  I love Pullen. 

I can see what he's trying to do....he wants to get the ball to ball side corner and try to get a quick post feed.  It works great and puts a lot of pressure on the defense if you run it right.  I think they got a couple baskets this way, but too often people aren't filling their spots or the PG retardedly brings the ball into traffic in the middle of the court.

That's probably the 2 biggest problems.  When Pullen is in, we don't get guys filling lanes quick enough, and then when Stew is in, he takes the ball from the wing and dribbles it into 3 defenders.  What Frank is trying to do is actually perfect for our team which has no shooters, but a lot of athletes. 

Exactly...the goal is to get Beasley or Anderson the ball on the block before the defense is set.  It's hard for Beasley, though, because he gets, like, every possible rebound.

I don't get why Stewart can't play faster.  He just gets the ball and stands with that dumb look for a couple seconds every time.

[catzacker]

We seem to be more up tempo from our baseline to the other 3 point line, and then it stops and we run our highschool offense.  But we really do ge the ball out quicker.  I love Pullen. 

I can see what he's trying to do....he wants to get the ball to ball side corner and try to get a quick post feed.  It works great and puts a lot of pressure on the defense if you run it right.  I think they got a couple baskets this way, but too often people aren't filling their spots or the PG retardedly brings the ball into traffic in the middle of the court.

That's probably the 2 biggest problems.  When Pullen is in, we don't get guys filling lanes quick enough, and then when Stew is in, he takes the ball from the wing and dribbles it into 3 defenders.  What Frank is trying to do is actually perfect for our team which has no shooters, but a lot of athletes. 

Exactly...the goal is to get Beasley or Anderson the ball on the block before the defense is set.  It's hard for Beasley, though, because he gets, like, every possible rebound.

I don't get why Stewart can't play faster.  He just gets the ball and stands with that dumb look for a couple seconds every time.

Stew brings the ball up court like he's trying to sneak up on people or something.  And as for Beasley, you're right, he gets all the rebounds, so it's hard for him to get out in transition...which is why Walker is pissing me off (he seriously should be thriving in this offense, but he is lazy sometimes)  and why I think Hoskins' absence is hurting us.  DH could get up and down the court and can finish.  DH would have like at least 10 points a game just off of transition buckets and FT's. 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I don't get why Stewart can't play faster.  He just gets the ball and stands with that dumb look for a couple seconds every time.

This attribute of Clent's game is a constant reminder that Stewy was a Wooly recruit.  He is the on court embodiment of Wooly's coaching style.  Deer in the headlights.

[tmramrod91]

Their transition game will take a little time to develop. Granted, Beasley gets all the boards, but the transition offense (secondary break) is set up for Beasley to stop at the top of the key and get open 3's.  He's being patient (maybe bc FM told him not to shoot every time) and once Anderson develops a little, the transition game will be much better if they can get it in to him on the break and he can do something.
Pullen is going to be a stud. I can live with most of his mistakes, he's only going to get better at running the break.

Hopefully FM will tell Beasley to shoot more 3's on the break, he is by far the best outside shooter (and unfortunately he's the best offensive rebounder in the conference...catch 22, but a good one to have).

[Eskimo Joe]

As a ku fan here is my opinion on your offense.

First let me start by saying that Beasley is one of the best freshman I have ever seen. He is truly amazing and he will be fun for you all to watch all year. He is worth all the hype about  his play and even though I am not a big fan of his personality, he is great!

Walker is great as well and I think if Frank could put in a two man game with those two and have some of your shooters spot up, you could be tough to stop. I'm all for the fast paced game, but you all aren't that deep, and your best two scorers are inside guys. ( i know they can both shoot too, i'm just saying they are better inside) I think a lot of the problem right now is that they don't run ANY type of offense. Its one pass and shoot. It would be a rule on my team that the ball touches the hands of Beasley or Walker at least once before a shot goes up. Not saying that you don't take advantage of being open, but these guys are firing up shots from everywhere right now. Anyway that's my opinion, I will be interested to see if they start to run an offense when they play better competition.

The offense reminds me of a JUCO team.  5 guys playing streetball.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

If we can find a shooter, this team will have a killer seconday break.  

- Pullen has the ability to push it up the floor and take it to the rim if need be.  

- Walker filling a lane to the bucket for a follow or to flash through the paint for an easy two. 

- Beasley as a trailer has endless possibilities with his ball handling abilities, quick first step, and ability to hit the three or a mid range jumper.  Not to mention his ability to clean up the garbage.  

I'm not sure Frank has really unleashed the fury yet in terms of what he wants to do on offense.  I have to believe that he was teaching the team some lessons during this early stretch.  Maybe I'm wrong, and we're as good as we'll get.  Time will tell.

[FHSU92]

With Sutton (and likely Samuels) we'll get an another scorer.  We struggle when Beaz or Walker (and Hoskins  ) are on the bench.  Ron and JP will help as they improve.  There are stretches when we don't have a legit scoring option of the floor. Having 'me' (<-----) will provide another legit opportunity.  I view Sutton as a BYoung that can shoot and drive better.

[Bullfn33]

As a ku fan here is my opinion on your offense.

First let me start by saying that Beasley is one of the best freshman I have ever seen. He is truly amazing and he will be fun for you all to watch all year. He is worth all the hype about  his play and even though I am not a big fan of his personality, he is great!

Walker is great as well and I think if Frank could put in a two man game with those two and have some of your shooters spot up, you could be tough to stop. I'm all for the fast paced game, but you all aren't that deep, and your best two scorers are inside guys. ( i know they can both shoot too, i'm just saying they are better inside) I think a lot of the problem right now is that they don't run ANY type of offense. Its one pass and shoot. It would be a rule on my team that the ball touches the hands of Beasley or Walker at least once before a shot goes up. Not saying that you don't take advantage of being open, but these guys are firing up shots from everywhere right now. Anyway that's my opinion, I will be interested to see if they start to run an offense when they play better competition.

The offense reminds me of a JUCO team.  5 guys playing streetball.

So does Memphis<----ranked 3rd

If you have the athletes, it works.  They just have way more athletes. 

[Saulbadguy]

[rcjh88]

As a ku fan here is my opinion on your offense.

First let me start by saying that Beasley is one of the best freshman I have ever seen. He is truly amazing and he will be fun for you all to watch all year. He is worth all the hype about  his play and even though I am not a big fan of his personality, he is great!

Walker is great as well and I think if Frank could put in a two man game with those two and have some of your shooters spot up, you could be tough to stop. I'm all for the fast paced game, but you all aren't that deep, and your best two scorers are inside guys. ( i know they can both shoot too, i'm just saying they are better inside) I think a lot of the problem right now is that they don't run ANY type of offense. Its one pass and shoot. It would be a rule on my team that the ball touches the hands of Beasley or Walker at least once before a shot goes up. Not saying that you don't take advantage of being open, but these guys are firing up shots from everywhere right now. Anyway that's my opinion, I will be interested to see if they start to run an offense when they play better competition.

The offense reminds me of a JUCO team.  5 guys playing streetball.

So does Memphis<----ranked 3rd

If you have the athletes, it works.  They just have way more athletes. 

You are exactly right. they just have more athletes capable of that style of play right now. Not to mention they have played together longer, and I have to admit Callapari or however you spell his name is a better coach than Martin. He's been in the game awhile!

[michigancat]

Very low BBIQ overall, outside of zack and me in this thread.

[catzacker]

Very low BBIQ overall, outside of zack and me in this thread.

I agree with Rusty. 

[sys]

Very low BBIQ overall, outside of zack and me in this thread.

I agree with Rusty. 

me too.

i hate uptempo bball, btw.  but it helps recruiting a bit.

[chum1]

Teams can play very frenziedly and push the ball every chace they get yet still have limited posessions.  LOL @ that pomeroy douche.

[catzacker]

Very low BBIQ overall, outside of zack and me in this thread.

I agree with Rusty. 

I miss rusty.