So um yeah...our recruiting class isn't much different from ku's

[sonofdaxjones]

"Who were the well known coaches that KSU "opted" out of that wanted to come here?"

nobody top level wanted to come here, that's the problem.  When your only willing to go $750,000 a year the big boys don't even return your calls.  I bet when Venables takes the leap he will be on the market for atleast a half million more than what we got Prince for.  who knows who would have been interested in us if we had 1.5 mill on the table

But you don't know crap cobra.  Just like with recruits, I laugh out loud and often at the dumbasses who try and claim "all the big names" were chomping on the bit to come coach KSU football. 

The only guy KSU seriously pursued beside Prince was Jim Leavitt, and he wasn't going to leave a program that he built from scratch to come to KSU. 

Venable was never seriously considered for a whole bunch of reasons. 

Everybody acts like Venables is the freaking be all and end all ... but he's only had one season as the sole coordinator at OU, and he's still got Bobby Stoops holding his hand the whole way.   If I were an AD I'd tell Venables that he's got to move on to a coordinator postion away from OU before I'd ever consider him for a head coaching job.  He's had Mikey or Bobby Stoops looking over his shoulder the whole way ... I'd want to see what he could do truely on his own without having a Stoops and OU talent to cover for his screwups.

[mjrod]

"Who were the well known coaches that KSU "opted" out of that wanted to come here?"

nobody top level wanted to come here, that's the problem.  When your only willing to go $750,000 a year the big boys don't even return your calls.  I bet when Venables takes the leap he will be on the market for atleast a half million more than what we got Prince for.  who knows who would have been interested in us if we had 1.5 mill on the table

You sure seem to not have a clue how the negotiations work for salaries of coaches now do you?  Do you think that when KSU opened up the job they announced that the salary would be $750K?

[purplecobra]

"You sure seem to not have a clue how the negotiations work for salaries of coaches now do you?  Do you think that when KSU opened up the job they announced that the salary would be $750K? "

I know enough to know that if I knew just by doing some simple research on the net that KSU never has payed it's coaches well that any coach prospect could figure the same thing.  And I guarantee you that one of the first things a coaching prospect talks about is the ballpark opening salary.  it isn't like KSU has anything else to sell them.  tradition nope, fan support nope, location nope, instate recruiting base nope.  good salary nope

wow, watch all the great coaches flock to ksu for that.

[mjrod]

"You sure seem to not have a clue how the negotiations work for salaries of coaches now do you?  Do you think that when KSU opened up the job they announced that the salary would be $750K? "

I know enough to know that if I knew just by doing some simple research on the net that KSU never has payed it's coaches well that any coach prospect could figure the same thing.  And I guarantee you that one of the first things a coaching prospect talks about is the ballpark opening salary.  it isn't like KSU has anything else to sell them.  tradition nope, fan support nope, location nope, instate recruiting base nope.  good salary nope

wow, watch all the great coaches flock to ksu for that.

You seem to have a serious problem of not addressing the issue that's posed to you in almost every post.   How is it that KSU pays it's coaches poorly?   You are basing that on what?  Internet research?  What site told you that?

Snyder made over $1.5 mil a year and that's not chump change dear boy.   That is quite a bit more than most coaches HEAD COACHES make.   What assistants make is immaterial to the discussion.   The issue is whether you understand the coaching hiring process and the negotiations that take place on a job like this.   You've already shown you cannot answer the question without going off into an area of irrelevance.

Plain as day, you're not a KSU fan whatsoever.   It's becoming extremely difficult for anyone to have a discussion of football with you, when you don't even have the common knowledge base.

[JavaCat]

How much is Huggins getting paid?

[purplecobra]

"   How is it that KSU pays it's coaches poorly?   "

how is it?  I don't know, why is the sky blue, why is grass green?  it just is.  why does ksu pay crap salary?  are they cheap, are they stupid, do they not care?  how the hell do I know?  I just know that they do

"You are basing that on what?  Internet research?  What site told you that? "

when you line up the salaries payed to KSU coaches, and they are last or 2nd to last in the conferance that is how you know.

"Snyder made over $1.5 mil a year and that's not chump change dear boy. "

and he was also hear how many years? and won how many games? and won a conferance title and will be in the hall of fame.  what don't you get about that dear boy?  do you understand that Prince and Snyder are not the same yet, has it sunk in yet dear boy?



"Plain as day, you're not a KSU fan whatsoever.   It's becoming extremely difficult for anyone to have a discussion of football with you, when you don't even have the common knowledge base."

and understand contract negotiations has what exactly to do with being a ksu fan?  if being a ksu fan means having the market cornered  on ignorance, then man, my hats off to you,  the #1 fan ever.
 
 
 

[Andy]

cobra-
say whatever you want but how kstate persued huggins and paid him contradicts a lot of what you are saying.  if kstate had hired a top shelf football coach i'm sure they would have paid him.  not only that, but shortly before snyder retired the salary for future head coaches was endowed by the vanier family.

believe me, salary was not the issue.  i'd say the #1 issue was following a legend who essentially did the impossible.  expectations would be high for anyone with any pedigree.  not many want that.  look at how nebraska's search went for the best example of that.  they ended up with plan D and so did we.  now its a matter of hoping for the best...without a longer tradition or being the only D-1 football school in our state.

[purplecobra]

"And I cannot believe you just questioned Kansas State's fanbase. 32,000 to a spring game when the university's enrollment is only around 23 thousand"

and that same fanbase told Snyder to F*ck off at his last home game when they didn't sell it out.  you can thump your chest all you want about the spring game attendance.  it was great, it only took a carnival and a beer tent.

 

[fatty fat fat]

Dumbasses, stop arguing with him.

[mjrod]

Dumbasses, stop arguing with him.

I serioulsy just want him off of this board now. MJ, we need to require an IQ test before a poster is allowed to post on this board. Atleast a spelling and grammar test. I cannot even understand half of the things he says because his spelling and conventions are so bad. Cobra, how old are you seriously, 5?

The guy has no clue.  He never answers a question directly, and when he attempts to make context, he doesn't have a clue.   There is nothing more sad than a Husker fan trying to make it sound like he knows what he's talking about.

I'm done with him.  He can post all he wants, but he's just a husker fan and we'll have to accept that when he talks about KSU football, he has no clue.

[Andy]

"And I cannot believe you just questioned Kansas State's fanbase. 32,000 to a spring game when the university's enrollment is only around 23 thousand"

and that same fanbase told Snyder to F*ck off at his last home game when they didn't sell it out.  you can thump your chest all you want about the spring game attendance.  it was great, it only took a carnival and a beer tent.

 

yeah this seals it for me, a very typical anti-kstate post is the "you didn't sell out snyders last game" post

most people dont "get" the fact that when snyder announces 4 days before the last game that he's retiring its cause he doesn't want the hoopla.  its how its always been with him.  you give a fanbase at least a week (or two) notice (like probably any other coach would have done), i'm sure it sells out.  you are talking about a fanbase that sends 45,000+ to bowl games.   i mean i dunno bout anyone else, but i typically know well ahead of 4 days whether i'm gonna shell out $50+ for a ticket and make a 4+ hour round trip to a football game.  and i'm just one person, not a family or group of people.

[purplecobra]

ahhh, the old, the fans didn't have enough time to hitch up the team and the wagon and mosey across the big state of Kansas to see the game argument.  What a load of crap.  the guy made KSU what it is, the guy put us on the map and when it came down to it they they couldn't care less abouthis last game.  maybe they had a bbq to go to, or a party or went for a walk, either way when it came down to it there was no support.  you can make all the excuses you want but in the end that is all they are, excuses.

Ofcourse you could always ask why the hell the stadium wasn't sold out to begin with.  how come it sells out when we are winning and doing good but when we are losing there are thousands of empty seats.  That my friend is fan support, KSU doesn't have it.  If they did that small stadium would be sold out every game and we wouldn't have to jack up ticket costs to ridiculous levels for the only 2 games  this year that are certainly going to sell out, the tex and NU games

[chum1]

ahhh, the old, the fans didn't have enough time to hitch up the team and the wagon and mosey across the big state of Kansas to see the game argument. What a load of crap. the guy made KSU what it is, the guy put us on the map and when it came down to it they they couldn't care less abouthis last game. maybe they had a bbq to go to, or a party or went for a walk, either way when it came down to it there was no support. you can make all the excuses you want but in the end that is all they are, excuses.

Ofcourse you could always ask why the hell the stadium wasn't sold out to begin with. how come it sells out when we are winning and doing good but when we are losing there are thousands of empty seats. That my friend is fan support, KSU doesn't have it. If they did that small stadium would be sold out every game and we wouldn't have to jack up ticket costs to ridiculous levels for the only 2 games this year that are certainly going to sell out, the tex and NU games

Nebraska sucks, loser.

[FBWillie]

  it isn't like KSU has anything else to sell them.  tradition nope, fan support nope .....

The only reason I can conceivably consider this a valid argument is because there are people like YOU that claim to be KSU Fans.  Also, I can attest there were at least 30 people that were dieing to go to the Missouri game, had tickets, but had to go to a wedding because they were in the wedding party, or had promised to video it for them.  Brad if you're reading this, seriously.... 

[Andy]

ahhh, the old, the fans didn't have enough time to hitch up the team and the wagon and mosey across the big state of Kansas to see the game argument.  What a load of crap.  the guy made KSU what it is, the guy put us on the map and when it came down to it they they couldn't care less abouthis last game.  maybe they had a bbq to go to, or a party or went for a walk, either way when it came down to it there was no support.  you can make all the excuses you want but in the end that is all they are, excuses.

Ofcourse you could always ask why the hell the stadium wasn't sold out to begin with.  how come it sells out when we are winning and doing good but when we are losing there are thousands of empty seats.  That my friend is fan support, KSU doesn't have it.  If they did that small stadium would be sold out every game and we wouldn't have to jack up ticket costs to ridiculous levels for the only 2 games  this year that are certainly going to sell out, the tex and NU games

lol the only fair way to look at this is comparing similar population states like neb and kansas

nebraska-only 1 D-1 football program
kansas-2 D-1 football programs.

you could easily say that the state supports kstate and ku combined at a much higher level than nebraska supports just nebraska.  so really, its nebraska fans that fail in this regard.

simple logic.