Let's discuss Arthur Brown

[cireksu]

Our Dback coach has NCC ring/s

[catzacker]

Oregon is the hotness right now. Fun offense, Eugene is mad cool and it's near Nike. 'Nuff said. Say what you want about Charlie Weis, but he has a Super Bowl ring. That speaks to kids who want to play in the NFL. And parents know what Notre Dame used to be, and that resonates.

K-State needs an infusion of something. No buzz, no cool factor for these kids. Teenagers are fickle, man. They want the flavor of the moment. K-State is lacking that right now.

Ron needs a perm, a mustache, some chops, and a wallet that says "Bad Motherf*cker" on it to be cool.  (also, winning games would help).

[Jeffrey_Martin]

Our Dback coach has NCC ring/s

And plenty of people go to school primarily to play for a specific assistant. C'mon, dude.

[cireksu]

 

[fatty fat fat]

Harper's family are all KSU fans. Same with Broderick's.

to lose out on both of them, prince can't land that program changer. Simple as that.

[catzacker]

with J-mart on pain killers, this thread has some potential. Why hasn't the Brian Butler factor been mentioned yet?  

[Legore]

KSU may be lacking some cache but we seem to be bringing in the bball players.  I mean for all the Arhtur Brown this and that crap and why would he go to KSU stuff we've got two hoops recruits that are sure fire can't miss millionares that came half way across the country to play bball for KSU.  Athletically Brown, Harper etc don't hold a candle to Beasley or Walker.  

Probably less then 50% chance either even takes a snap in the NFL.  Honestly not sure what the fuss is about one football player he's probably rated about the same out of high school as Chris Patterson was and he's not exactly changing our program anytime soon.  You just don't know what these kids are going to be if he wants to come to KSU then great deal if not I don't really care.  The website and the parading around is a little too much for me.  Who was the last great player from Wichita, Deanglo Evans?  He ended up being a pretty good RB for Emporia State.  I don't know that ku even has a 4 star recruit on the roster much less a 5 star and they are what 3rd in the country.  

[catzacker]

Harper's family are all KSU fans. Same with Broderick's.

to lose out on both of them, prince can't land that program changer. Simple as that.

yeah, but we still have Logan Dold and Brayden Burris.

[ksuno1stunner]

Cooper Bassett

[scoopeloo]

every program who is currently on the national radar has had some low points in their history.  They were able to overcome their lack of glare by hiring a coach who convinced recruits to come play despite whatever circumstances had kept kids from coming there in the past.  sure it seems logical to want to go to USC over KSU.  but when the kids are from Kansas, I can't help but think that we should get at least some of those kids.  I won't make my decision on Prince based solely on his recruitment of this group of kids,  but if it continues over the next couple years, then he is obviously not a good enough recruiter.  Because we have all seen it accomplished in Manhattan and other places off the beaten path before.  It can be done again.  we just have to find the magnet.

[Jeffrey_Martin]

every program who is currently on the national radar has had some low points in their history.  They were able to overcome their lack of glare by hiring a coach who convinced recruits to come play despite whatever circumstances had kept kids from coming there in the past.  sure it seems logical to want to go to USC over KSU.  but when the kids are from Kansas, I can't help but think that we should get at least some of those kids.  I won't make my decision on Prince based solely on his recruitment of this group of kids,  but if it continues over the next couple years, then he is obviously not a good enough recruiter.  Because we have all seen it accomplished in Manhattan and other places off the beaten path before.  It can be done again.  we just have to find the magnet.

Couldn't agree more. Look at what Ron Zook is doing in Champaign. That said, failing "the magnet," can you blame these kids for listening to coaches like Carroll and Meyer, who obviously have something in their possession?

[cireksu]

USC pays recruits.

[cireksu]

USC pays recruits.

players

[Buddha_Cat]

RP just needs to keep adding mayo, IMO.

Also, going for it on fourth down from the opponents 42 with 1:30 left in the first half would help.

[Legore]

I don't think you have to get these kind of kids to be good and if anything Prince spends too much time trying to land them.  The walk through at WT East was one of the dumber things I've  heard and I'm not convinced that stuff like that hasn't conrtriubted to some of the problems Prince has with his current team.  If you're a player getting ready to play a big 12 game and you're doing it at a high school a couple hours away from the game site all in the name of landing some 18 year old kid then how does that make you feel?   Football is about bringing in classes of 20 to 25 good solid football players every year.  Landing one top player isn't going to make or break you the way it can in basketballl.

And I know people will say the top programs USC, LSU, Florida etc recruit well.  And yes that is true if you can bring in classes full of nothing but 4 star and 5 star kids you'll probably be good.  KSU is never going to do that and LSU, Florida etc don't spend that much effort on any one kid because they don't have too.  I'd rather Prince spend his time trying to find the next Jordy Nelson or Ian Campbell then going the extra mile to land the Arthur Browns of the world.  Offer the kid a ship show them some love and hope they come to your school.  They're just on piece to the puzzle in recruiting it's probably far more important what the bottom kids in your class look like then it is what the top 5 or so look like.  That is why Florida, USC, Texas, LSU etc are good because the worst kid in their class is still pretty damn good.  

[scoopeloo]

Jeff-

No, you can't blame these kids for their interest in USC or Florida.  I'm not mad at any of these kids or any others for the choices they make.  It's their opportunity.  I'm more concerned about my team's ability to recruit.  You mentioned Zook.  Illinois didn't have much to sell at all and he did anyway.  I'm just saying KSU needs some coaches who can sell anytime, anyplace, anywhere for whatever reason.  I don't care if it's because they have a ring, a famous name, a nice smile, great facilities, religious faith, or a great offensive scheme.  Just get me some coaches who will get the players.  And I don't see why we should settle for players who we hope will "develop" either.  Mizzou has put together a team consisting of a whole lotta KC and missouri kids.  why shouldn't ksu be getting some of those kids who are choosing MU?  well, find a coach who is going to outrecruit MU coaches.   I'm already concerned about Prince's staff.  They are not getting their first or second choices of recruits.

[Iceberg]

Our Dback coach has NCC ring/s

And plenty of people go to school primarily to play for a specific assistant. C'mon, dude.

Well, allow me to introduce you to Michael Beasley...

[BullHawkWheel]

Red = Stunner's takes
purple = fatty's takes

Florida - great coaching and tradition/ won't be BMOC, poor academics (for his major), humid, bad topology,
Kansas State - kind of home / Manhattan is home to arthur, would make fatty VERY VERY happy, good student union, flint hills area nice
LSU - great coaching and tradition / very poor academics, jerseys inconsistent, ugly QB, coach may leave to UMichigan
Miami - beautiful location and great tradition / poor fan attendance, program in free-fall (unlike ours), play in pro stadium
North Carolina - great coaching / basketball school. next.
USC - great location, coaching, and tradition / "just another 5 star on his way to the NFL"


FYP

[michigancat]

Is it just me, or do Illinois' coaches look like a bunch of goobers?

http://fightingillini.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/ill-coachingstaff.html

[Fausto]

All this talk in the thread like Arthur Brown is actually making the decision...not Brian Butler.    on a  scale.

[The Manhatter]

Be honest - if you were a high school star in Kansas and were being recruited by Urban Meyer and Pete Carroll, you'd rather go to K-State and be coached by Ron Prince? Not a slap, just reality. Those men have won national championships.

And both Meyer and Carroll were Prince once upon a time.  Dick Schaap was a Jeffrey Martin once upon a time too.  Meyer and Carroll just so happen to be at two of the programs which get the most talent so there is nothing to indicate they would do as well or a better job that Prince walking into the situation he did as a young coach.  Carroll has been FIRED twice as an NFL head coach(a distinction shared by Bill Callahan, who guided his team to the Super Bowl).

But getting back to "those men have won national championships"...it's unreal that Carroll loses any games given the talent he has on that SC team.  Give me a break that Stanford beat them at home.

[QuinnMac]

good student union,

WOW.. that's a selling point!!! 

new parking garage 

It's a big hole in the ground right now.

That hole in the ground results in a higher stadium decibel level when Arthur is on the field head hunting a quarterback on 3rd and 13 from their own 1 yard line. 

 

A parking garage in front of the union will accomplish this how?

[ksuno1stunner]

All this talk in the thread like Arthur Brown is actually making the decision...not Brian Butler.    on a  scale.