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October 11, 2007, 09:19:43 PM
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October 11, 2007, 09:20:39 PM
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October 11, 2007, 09:26:24 PM
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October 11, 2007, 09:28:02 PM
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you don't like radiohead... rusty i don't understand that one, not to say i didn't expect it, but i don't understand it.

i like it more with each and every listen.


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October 11, 2007, 09:34:04 PM
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I don't dislike Radiohead, I dislike publicity stunts.

October 11, 2007, 09:43:10 PM
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lol at you thinking thats a publicity stunt. i think that would probably be the last thing it would be. sure they did it knowing it would get attention, but i think that doing it as a publicity stunt was not a reason in doing it.

how bout a way of being one of the only bands in the world with enough music integrity to be able to do this. how bout making a statement about the music industry? given radioheads immense vocal opinions on the downfalls of capitalism and the music industry, i would have to disqualify any thoughts of doing this solely as some sort of stunt.


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October 11, 2007, 09:49:30 PM
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lol at you thinking thats a publicity stunt. i think that would probably be the last thing it would be. sure they did it knowing it would get attention, but i think that doing it as a publicity stunt was not a reason in doing it.

how bout a way of being one of the only bands in the world with enough music integrity to be able to do this. how bout making a statement about the music industry? given radioheads immense vocal opinions on the downfalls of capitalism and the music industry, i would have to disqualify any thoughts of doing this solely as some sort of stunt.

They also released a f*cking $80 box set simultaneously, and I've heard they plan on releasing the album via traditional distribution by the holidays (without the sh*tty 160k bitrate).  Sticking it to the man?

Please.

October 11, 2007, 10:04:45 PM
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no... the $81 dollar box set is a made to order box set with two vinyls, a cd, a bonus cd, additional tracks, additional artwork, a book bound sleeve. its pretty standard as they only press on high quality vinyl and they are made to order. both of the vinyl's i own of theirs were $30+.

the cd won't be released until early next year.

this is why they did it
http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/page/news/46292-jonny-greenwood-talks-iin-rainbowsi


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October 12, 2007, 11:54:47 AM
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It is good.

And I hope they do have a traditional CD release at some point.  For starters, I like tangible; more importantly, I want those extra tracks without paying for the vinyl I can't use.

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October 12, 2007, 12:37:56 PM
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the extra tracks are on the bonus cd and vinyl if you buy the box set. but there is no need to buy the box set if you don't have a record player or aren't a vinyl fiend.


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October 12, 2007, 06:45:57 PM
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the extra tracks are on the bonus cd and vinyl if you buy the box set. but there is no need to buy the box set if you don't have a record player or aren't a vinyl fiend.

Yes, exactly.  In effect, the price of that bonus CD (to me) is about $65.  So I'd be happy to see a two-CD offering appear at Best Buy in a couple months or whatever, as Rusty suggested (without any substantiation whatsoever (smite)).

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October 12, 2007, 09:50:52 PM
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how bout a way of being one of the only bands in the world with enough music integrity to be able to do this.

Musical integrity?  Seriously?  I think you mean "enough naive, pretentious scenesters who latch onto Radiohead because of the band's hipster cred despite the band not releasing anything other than incoherent, childish drivel since the brilliant OK Computer."

Sure, it's great that Radiohead is doing their "pay what you want for our album" publicity stunt, but all it means is that the band's followers will blindly follow their heroes regardless of the staggering decline in the quality of the band's output.  It doesn't mean that Johnny and Suzo Emopants can expect get $15 per album download if they put their stuff on the web and let their fans pay what they want.  Just not happening.

If you like it more with every listen, that's your brain trying to tell you that you're in the process of fooling yourself.

When I got home with Kid A about 7 years ago and gave it a listen for the first time, I thought about Thom Yorke's bitterness toward the fans' adoration of the most musically accessible song from Pablo Honey (Creep).  He literally sneered when he sang it at concerts and fans sang along because he hated it so much (particularly the idiotic peasants singing along in the crowd).  I began to think that Kid A was the band's first of a series of experiments designed to see whether their fans would a) reject the pompous, cacophonous (ahem...difficult) garbage that was Kid A, Amnesiac, Hail to the Thief, etc. or b) blindly continue to praise Thom, Johnny, Phil, and Colin as brilliant sonic frontiersmen regardless of the ridiculousness of the material they committed to vinyl and CD for fear of being exposed as uncool and/or intolerant of "experimental" music.  I hypothesized that Kid A was a complete joke - that the band would reveal months/years later that they had produced Kid A on a whim in a matter of 10 hours by just dinking around with synths in order to expose as a total musical fraud anyone who claimed to find depth or meaning in the composition or production.  It could still happen.  I'm waiting.  Thom's rapping in Wolf at the Door (on that political publicity stunt, Hail to the Thief) pretty much confirms it.

From Kid A onward, Thom Yorke and the boys have been whacking it to Squarepusher, a band whose influence upon Thom will ultimately be held accountable for the shockingly steep decline of what should have been one of the greatest rock bands of our time.

Mourn with me, friends.
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October 12, 2007, 10:13:55 PM
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Mourn with me, friends.

I'll pass.  Too busy enjoying music.

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October 13, 2007, 01:41:31 AM
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how bout a way of being one of the only bands in the world with enough music integrity to be able to do this.

Musical integrity?  Seriously?  I think you mean "enough naive, pretentious scenesters who latch onto Radiohead because of the band's hipster cred despite the band not releasing anything other than incoherent, childish drivel since the brilliant OK Computer."

Sure, it's great that Radiohead is doing their "pay what you want for our album" publicity stunt, but all it means is that the band's followers will blindly follow their heroes regardless of the staggering decline in the quality of the band's output.  It doesn't mean that Johnny and Suzo Emopants can expect get $15 per album download if they put their stuff on the web and let their fans pay what they want.  Just not happening.

If you like it more with every listen, that's your brain trying to tell you that you're in the process of fooling yourself.

When I got home with Kid A about 7 years ago and gave it a listen for the first time, I thought about Thom Yorke's bitterness toward the fans' adoration of the most musically accessible song from Pablo Honey (Creep).  He literally sneered when he sang it at concerts and fans sang along because he hated it so much (particularly the idiotic peasants singing along in the crowd).  I began to think that Kid A was the band's first of a series of experiments designed to see whether their fans would a) reject the pompous, cacophonous (ahem...difficult) garbage that was Kid A, Amnesiac, Hail to the Thief, etc. or b) blindly continue to praise Thom, Johnny, Phil, and Colin as brilliant sonic frontiersmen regardless of the ridiculousness of the material they committed to vinyl and CD for fear of being exposed as uncool and/or intolerant of "experimental" music.  I hypothesized that Kid A was a complete joke - that the band would reveal months/years later that they had produced Kid A on a whim in a matter of 10 hours by just dinking around with synths in order to expose as a total musical fraud anyone who claimed to find depth or meaning in the composition or production.  It could still happen.  I'm waiting.  Thom's rapping in Wolf at the Door (on that political publicity stunt, Hail to the Thief) pretty much confirms it.

From Kid A onward, Thom Yorke and the boys have been whacking it to Squarepusher, a band whose influence upon Thom will ultimately be held accountable for the shockingly steep decline of what should have been one of the greatest rock bands of our time.

Mourn with me, friends.

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October 13, 2007, 02:40:05 AM
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how bout a way of being one of the only bands in the world with enough music integrity to be able to do this.

Musical integrity?  Seriously?  I think you mean "enough naive, pretentious scenesters who latch onto Radiohead because of the band's hipster cred despite the band not releasing anything other than incoherent, childish drivel since the brilliant OK Computer."

Sure, it's great that Radiohead is doing their "pay what you want for our album" publicity stunt, but all it means is that the band's followers will blindly follow their heroes regardless of the staggering decline in the quality of the band's output.  It doesn't mean that Johnny and Suzo Emopants can expect get $15 per album download if they put their stuff on the web and let their fans pay what they want.  Just not happening.

If you like it more with every listen, that's your brain trying to tell you that you're in the process of fooling yourself.

When I got home with Kid A about 7 years ago and gave it a listen for the first time, I thought about Thom Yorke's bitterness toward the fans' adoration of the most musically accessible song from Pablo Honey (Creep).  He literally sneered when he sang it at concerts and fans sang along because he hated it so much (particularly the idiotic peasants singing along in the crowd).  I began to think that Kid A was the band's first of a series of experiments designed to see whether their fans would a) reject the pompous, cacophonous (ahem...difficult) garbage that was Kid A, Amnesiac, Hail to the Thief, etc. or b) blindly continue to praise Thom, Johnny, Phil, and Colin as brilliant sonic frontiersmen regardless of the ridiculousness of the material they committed to vinyl and CD for fear of being exposed as uncool and/or intolerant of "experimental" music.  I hypothesized that Kid A was a complete joke - that the band would reveal months/years later that they had produced Kid A on a whim in a matter of 10 hours by just dinking around with synths in order to expose as a total musical fraud anyone who claimed to find depth or meaning in the composition or production.  It could still happen.  I'm waiting.  Thom's rapping in Wolf at the Door (on that political publicity stunt, Hail to the Thief) pretty much confirms it.

From Kid A onward, Thom Yorke and the boys have been whacking it to Squarepusher, a band whose influence upon Thom will ultimately be held accountable for the shockingly steep decline of what should have been one of the greatest rock bands of our time.

Mourn with me, friends.

wow. considering that kid a and amnesiac are two of my favorite albums of all time i don't know what to say to this.

i don't really even want to argue its obvious faults, or it's blatant assumptions.

but i'll tell you this... i have never listened to music before because it was cool or because it was recognized as scene. i listen to what i listen to because i liked what i heard. to say that i am convincing myself that i like an album because i like it more and more each time i listen to it is a ridiculous statement... every time you listen to an album you find new things in it, especially if the record is complex enough... its like reading a book for the first time. as far as your reference to squarepusher, &@#% that... if you want to get down to it squarepusher is a rip of aphex and kraftwerk, and if you want to get down to that those are just extremities of other bands (devo, new order, joy division etc...). lending to a bands influences and ripping on them because they are influenced by them and further that original sound is absolutely juvenile and shows a listener of no perspective... i don't hate Tortoise because they are a full band rip off of jazz improvisation greats.

i laugh at you and whatever convoluted perspective you think you hold on the music world. you believe whatever you want to believe and tell me you aren't just as influenced by the fact that you have come to hate radiohead as the people you claim as blind fans. you tell me that if radiohead came out with an album just like o.k. computer.. which, in a complete view, is a transitional album rather than a quintessential album, you would like it. you are the people you protest and persecute. that, and an idiot.

p.s. i think o.k. computer is a great album, but i don't think it is anywhere near their best. nor do i think in rainbows is. and what makes you think o.k. computer is such an original album in comparison to kid a and amnesiac? tell me that, and i will tell 10 other bands that they were influenced by and what vein of music they dug into to produce it. music is progression (as seen by the progression of any music... ex. jazz = the syncopation of classical and so forth), just like everything else.. it has its influence, it has its critics and its fakes, its the sorting through that that matters.


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October 13, 2007, 12:17:22 PM
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Sorry, man.  I didn't mean for you to take my ridiculous rant so seriously.  I didn't mean to imply that I take my own opinion so seriously either.  What I meant to say is that I'm a little disappointed in the direction the band has been going in the past 10 years...but in an inflammatory way characteristic of my arrogant, grumpy-old-man message board personality.  Also, I hadn't listened to In Rainbows yet.  I have now, and I like it.  It has conventional musical instruments and singing, which are what I crave from Radiohead.  I could certainly deal with a little more emotion or energy, but I digress.  I can deal with the fact that Nude and Reckoner (formerly Feeling Pulled Apart by Horses) have been in the band's tour repertoire for more than 5 years, I guess, if it means that Radiohead is returning to melodic music.

I was being totally over-the-top about Kid A and Amnesiac, bro.  Several songs are great - just not the Radiohead I'd grown to love.  I would have really enjoyed Kid A or parts of Amnesiac if they'd been put out by other bands.  I just wanted to cry when my favorite band went in that direction (and yes, I realize that the band has never stopped changing itself, which I generally think is a great thing).  You could call every Radiohead album transitional.  As you can tell, I'm still trying to overcome my bitter disappointment in their most recent transitions (before In Rainbows).  My apologies.  In my opinion, OK Computer is far and away their best album (with the Bends #2).

Sorry that you were offended.  I should have put my post in these --> <hyperbole></hyperbole>.
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October 13, 2007, 01:03:25 PM
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you see, if you would have just come on here and said that you were a bends and o.k. computer guy, rather than an amnesiac and kid a guy i would have not had to come home drunk and post something i don't quite remember writing.



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October 25, 2007, 11:14:07 PM
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How cute. You still thinking about coming up for the Sprint Center game savs?

October 26, 2007, 02:12:42 PM
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oh yeah man. definitely going. just need to pick up tickets. gonna bring the whole crew.


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