we're sucking this season, but i'm more confident with prince now than before

[Skycat]

Back to Morris.  The optimist in me thinks that he might be the kind of guy that just has more fun with college kids than with NFL guys.  Would some 7 year NFL vet be cool with Morris tackling him on the sidelines?  Would Morris calm down a little?  It could just be wishful thinking on my part, but I think the position he has right now suits him.

[ksuno1stunner]

i'm praying for 5 more years of raheem.  he still has to prove he can coach up his own players though.

[Catbanker]

here is something else to add outside of football talk...quality of life and family issues.  Many of these coaches have purchased homes and the spouses/significant others really like the little apple.  Prince doesn't require office time 24/7 like Snyder did.  In the end that did him in.  No up and coming coach outside of the wildcat football program worth a sh*t wanted to come here and LSnyder never "fired" an assistant.

Bob Stoops loved it here but moved on after 4 or so years.  Raheem will be around for at least that long.  And watching the pregame warmups makes me think kids will want to play for him.  Recruiting will be easy...

Back to topic.  As pointed out earlier.  Prince is focusing on speed and mental toughness.  K-State never got the 4 and 5 star recruits. Doubt we ever will.   When we did they turned out more busts than bangs.  We have to pray that they can recruit the right mix of 2 and 3 star recruits that consider it a privilege to wear purple and play their asses off on Saturday afternoons in the fall.

[ds43fan]

we will go to a bowl and i have left venables camp hello wait and see camp

[bws]

  Great Thread. I obviously hope Prince succeeds, and do really like him. I think one of the main concerns still is just his overall inexperience. I mean its just glaring. I mean if you look at it objectively we hired the OC of VIRGINIA!!!! I mean Virginia. Think about that. They had a couple of decent offenses but are nowhere near the elite of college football. I think alot of people forget how elite we were for about 10 years, and just kind of have an attitude of... well ok, we're K-state and we had our run.

  Going to a bowl would be an obvious successful season, but part of me thinks with the weakness of the conference and the returning starters we should do that. It should be expected. I agree that it will be interesting to see how K-State fans adjust their expectations. I think its fair to expect a run at the Big 12 north title at least 2-3 times every 5 years and to expect a conference title at least once or twice every 10.  If not more. That's not asking too much. Its not 1989 anymore, K-State has been successful, and most importantly fans should expect K-State to be successful.

[Andy]

raheem is only 30, its unlikely he'll be offered a HC job before he's 35.  if we pay him decent he probably won't make any lateral moves.

imo, its hard to say prince isn't doing anything other than meeting reasonable expectations for this season which is fine.   two losses at home to ranked teams and one on the road at what looks to be a middle of the pack conf team are no cause for alarm.  we aren't getting throttled or embarrased and the def has been a pleasant surprise and we can all see the upside with josh. 

6-6 is definitely doable and prince will join a rare group of coaches that had a winning first season/bowl team.  beyond that a north champ every 2-3 yrs or so along with a bcs appearance every 3-4 yrs is reasonable.

at this point i see prince as more of a college football ceo than a super football mind (i think this is what got him hired).  imo, his success will ultimately depend on finding a solid mix of asst coaches and players who can properly implement his philosophy.  i think he can do it.   

all that being said, i think the ku game this year is very important for his perception to a great deal of our fanbase, esp if ku continues to look so poor.

[ds43fan]

i'm praying for 5 more years of raheem.  he still has to prove he can coach up his own players though.

be glad your prayer wasn't answered