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Author Topic: Are we in agreement that Martin w/o Dalonte = no deal?  (Read 1177 times)

April 06, 2007, 12:19:03 PM
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It's obvious that most of you think that Hill is the main recruiter you need to keep.  Why would you not go after a guy like Fox or Lowery along with offering Hill a substantial raise to stay on the staff with a new coach.  I guarantee that a new coach is going to want to have Michael Beasley on his team and would be fine with that arrangement. 

Frank Martin just seems like a huge risk as a head coach without at least seeing if you can get a more proven commodity. 
That would be ideal but I don't see DH staying unless we hire FM.

Hasn't Hill only worked with Frank Martin for only 1 season?  Why do you think Hill would stay for Martin, but not for a guy that is more proven?  Especially if you offer him more money to stay than other people will offer him. 

Seriously, unless you guys let Beasley out of his LOI, he is stuck.  Hill's best opportunity right now is to take a raise, stay at KSU, and coach Beasley for a year no matter who the head coach is.

As a Kansas fan, it isn't good for the Big 12 to go completely down the crapper.  I'll be honest, I would just assume that ISU and Nebraska get good and KSU and MU can continue to suck, but that doesn't appear to be a likely scenario at least in the short term.  I think a hire of Frank Martin would be a panic move by your AD and it really isn't looking towards the long term success.  I think you guys at least need to go out and do a real search.  If they interview some cadidates and still go with Frank Martin, then whatever.  But Weiser wouldn't be doing his job if he hires a guy whose only head coaching experience is high school if he hires Martin without at least exploring his possibilities.

I agree with some of your sentiment.   Weiser's not an idiot that he'll just hire Martin/Hill tomorrow and be done with it without considering other options.  The issue is continuing to build success.   Martin and Hill will probably wait like all people and give the process a chance.  If KSU feels they aren't in the running, then they'll tell them and let them move on, but those two understand the process has to first get started.

All that means is that Beasley will have to wait as well.  I'm sure he's smart enough to figure it out, and his mother will tell him that he can wait.  He's got time to figure it out.  I'm sure she's trying to understand what has just happened.   The bottom line is, it's very early to make a decision, and that's what's going to drive K-Stater's crazy.  The recruits have time as well, so it's not like they have to know today what the decision is going to be.

On the other hand, it makes sense to realize what's at stake.  A quick hire means really, nothing, as K-State could say, "We'll give these guys a couple of years, structure a system to where it doesn't work out, shake hands and leave" but at least we'll have our class in tact and that shows that K-State is committed to the student athletes.   Releasing them early just because the coach leaves sounds like a great idea, but it really isn't.  It means that K-State doesn't want you because you're associated with another coach.   Maybe the player doesn't like what happened either.  K-State believes, as we should, the players should consider KSU as their best viable education option.  That's not to say they'll stay for the entire four years, but they might in the right conditions.   As of now, I would expect Beasley NOT to stay and bolt as soon as he's done his first year.  Same with Walker, but on the other hand,  the right coach might make them stay and be a better situation.

So this process is going forward.  I don't expect a decision for at least a couple of weeks.  I'm sure Weiser will give Martin and Hill opportunities to present their plan for KSU and if Weiser and Wefald buy into it, then they'll be our coach.  I'm sure Weiser will tell them he also wants to check out other opportunities.  They understand this.  I'm sure they would love to get a decision quickly so they can continue working.  As of now, they're still at KSU and we haven't dismissed them, so they are working for us.

April 06, 2007, 12:29:21 PM
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peas and carrots, abbot and costello, bold and daring (nah), martin and hill sounds better. I like martin a lot, and the recruiting skills that each have are mad in nature. Question- which one was the "senior" coach under the Anti-Christ currently known as Huggins?

April 06, 2007, 12:35:14 PM
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MJ the problem with that thinking is that you've probably got until tomorrow afternoon to decide whether you want to try to keep Martin, Hill and the nation's #1 recruiting class.  Most if not all of them will be on a plane to Morgantown before Monday.  The Scumbag isn't going to let any grass grow under his feet so it's a lock that KSU doesn't have two weeks to string these guys along while exploring the options.  Martin and Hill have ALL of the leverage in this situation.
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April 06, 2007, 12:38:49 PM
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MJ the problem with that thinking is that you've probably got until tomorrow afternoon to decide whether you want to try to keep Martin, Hill and the nation's #1 recruiting class.  Most if not all of them will be on a plane to Morgantown before Monday.  The Scumbag isn't going to let any grass grow under his feet so it's a lock that KSU doesn't have two weeks to string these guys along while exploring the options.  Martin and Hill have ALL of the leverage in this situation.

Maybe, but I think they're smart enough to realize that if they have an opportunity to get this team, they can wait.  Huggins can wait too, he's in no hurry right now either.  Time is on his side.   He didn't exactly hire new assistants on day 2 when he got here.

April 06, 2007, 12:44:06 PM
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Hill could wait because he'll be taking Sutton & Beasley with him wherever he goes.  Martin will have less options so he'll likely be on the first plane out.  Whether Hill would stick around to be the proverbial bridesmaid to some schmuck he's never even met is another question entirely.  Personally I think he'd squeeze WVU hard for a fat paycheck and choose the devil he knows.  Hence Martin's timeline is likely KSU's timeline and it's going to be a very short one.
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