Perhaps the ultimate MAKE-A-WISH: Huggins = Wooly

[michigancat]

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?S=172#S=172&F=2481&T=170270

Well, one game left in the regular season and Huggy still is on par with Wooly's last year.   (Each with one quality win).

With Wooly's players.  One year more experienced.  The only things holding Huggy back are huggy's players.

Pretty obvious that Wooly could have pulled about 5-6 more points per game out of these guys and produced an equal or better record this year than Huggy.

Right Dax?

You don't really need to comment.  You just need to laugh.

[Saulbadguy]

I fell for it :(

[michigancat]

I would have, too...if I wasn't banned.

They need a good "lol" emoticon for the new boards.

[jmlynch1]

There is no way he can honestly believe that garbage. I want to think he does, but theres no way.

[Saulbadguy]

I asked him if he was serious. Anxiously waiting a reply.

The logic implies that we are winning these games because of the weak Big XII, which was caused by a "massive coaching turnover."

They fail to mention that we were a part of that "massive coaching turnover".   

[WildCatzPhreak]

First thought that comes to mind:
Terry Allen vs Mark Mangino.

Except that comparison is actually valid.






So, did I miss the year that Woolly had us in the top half of the Big XII?  Because I'm pretty sure we're in the top 1/3rd right now.  I guess I don't remember when Woolly did that.

Besides, Woolly didn't even have a "big win" last year.  ku wasn't even ranked at the time we beat them.  Texas this year on the other hand..

[michigancat]

BBIQ post of the week:

So you agree that KSU isn't NCAA material and you're lauding Huggins for another NIT run?  How is that better than Wooly could do with a team of upperclassmen?

[michigancat]

Saul share this:

Here are our leading scorers in 2004-05:

Massey 17.9 (jr)
Peete 13.0 (so)
Martin 10.5 (so)
Harris 10.4 (so)
Stewart 5.0 (so)
Williams 4.2 (sr)

Our five leading scorers were underclassmen...we went 6-10.

Marginal improvement from these players sets us up for a decent 2005-06 season, right? 

Nope.  6-10.  No postseason.  No improvement.

[fatty fat fat]

Saul share this:

Here are our leading scorers in 2004-05:

Massey 17.9 (jr)
Peete 13.0 (so)
Martin 10.5 (so)
Harris 10.4 (so)
Stewart 5.0 (so)
Williams 4.2 (sr)

Our five leading scorers were underclassmen...we went 6-10.

Marginal improvement from these players sets us up for a decent 2005-06 season, right? 

Nope.  6-10.  No postseason.  No improvement.

wow. nice.

[ksu_FAN]

Saul share this:

Here are our leading scorers in 2004-05:

Massey 17.9 (jr)
Peete 13.0 (so)
Martin 10.5 (so)
Harris 10.4 (so)
Stewart 5.0 (so)
Williams 4.2 (sr)

Our five leading scorers were underclassmen...we went 6-10.

Marginal improvement from these players sets us up for a decent 2005-06 season, right? 

Nope.  6-10.  No postseason.  No improvement.

Some posters used that as rationale to keep Wooly the next year.  What putzes.

[leaveittobeaz]

I had a friend actually try to argue this exact thing with me over the weekend.  "If Wooly was here, he probably could have done the same thing...".  His argument - the only big conference win we had was Texas.  The only reason we won at Texas was blind luck, lights out shooting.  My argument - Texas had a chance to win that game, and the only thing that thing that stopped them was Huggs' defense.  I think that was the difference in a lot of games this year.  See the amount of road wins this year versus Wooly's entire K-State career. 

[sonofdaxjones]

If you use the FACTUAL reality of Wooly's road winning % last year, and project it into this year, with Huggins playing 6 more road/neutral site games (really 7 more, but I'll give Wooly the Conference postseason tourney game anyway) then KSU has 4 to 5 more losses this year with Wooly as coach . . . the factual reality was, Wooly could not win road games.

Toss in the reality that we had Martin, Massey and Stewart all playing with 2 to 3 years under the system, and Massey was a vastly superior inside scoring prescence to anything we have now . . . still, 6-10.

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[michigancat]

Update:

Hox weighs in on one of our great seniors:

Martin over Rush??

1)  Martin doesn't even start.  For a reason.  Rush was not forced to the bench to get him to play better.

2)  Martin scores a couple more points per game than Rush . . . because he has to.  Rush can score, pass, etc. but doesn't have to score big to win.  He could put up 20+ points/game on just about any other team.

3)  Rush plays defense.

4)  Rush rebounds.

[WildCatzPhreak]

Jayhox has fallen from 'legendary' status to 'random guy that makes dumb statements' status.

The crap he used to say was funny, but now it's just flat out dumb/wrong.

Does he really think Cartier was benched to make him play better?  He also thought that Tyree's lawyer = Huggins.  I'm sure there's a lot more, but I don't bother even reading much of what he says anymore because it's almost guarunteed to be wrong two words into it.

[catzacker]

My favorite 2 arguments  of Rush over Martin is that:

(a) Martin doesn't start - it's like ku fans think it's because of a lack of talent.  It's strategy by Huggins.  

(b) ku is so good that Rush can't score as much as Martin - the opposite is just as true.  KSU has two scoring options (Martin, Hoskins), ku has a plethora...which is harder for an opposing defense to defend?  2 scorers or 4-5 scorers?  

It's not absurd that Rush was 1st team, but the idea that Cartier has no case is ridiculous.  He has just as good of a case.  

[Dan Rydell]

(a) Martin doesn't start - it's like ku fans think it's because of a lack of talent.  It's strategy by Huggins.  

Which is why when I saw that Cartier got the "Sixth Man" award I was kinda like, "Meh."  It's like if Christina Aguilera entered and won American Idol.  "Oh, no crap?"

[sonofchadmay]

Plus Cartier is not a Dead Beat Dad.  At least not that we know of.