Tyree...

[catzacker]

LOL @ Scuba Steve. 

The Butler staff has some major issues right now.  They've walked out of every single practice the last two weeks.  Not the players, the coaches!  Smithson has checked out.  Tony Durant, Kevin's brother, quit the team a couple days ago.

All of the players that are still there are fed up with him and the coaching staff.  The players voted a couple days ago to not have the coaches come to practice. 

Look, Tyree is, for the most part, staying out of trouble.  He isn't  a head case.  He's doing everything he needs to do to make it here. 

I have not talked to anyone over there the last couple of weeks, but it doesn't matter.  I know the coaching staff has issues over there.  I know that Smithson is a lame duck.  I know that has caused problems.  It doesn't change my opinion. 

LOL if you want.  The coach is the coach.... period.  You do what you are told... period.   There are a whole lot of players still playing over there under whatever the circumstances are.  I'd take any one of those before I took Tyree.  I don't care what Smithson's personal problems are, he's a good coach and gets results.  Huggins obviously thought so, or was he making an error in character judgement?

Tyree may very well make it to Manhattan, but he's got a long way to go before I become a fan and it has nothing to do with his sexual escapades.

Sincerely,
Dave Bliss

[ScubaSteve]

I have a hard time believing Tyree would act the same around Huggins.

The kid loves him.  I'll tell you one thing; he didn't come out to Butler to play basketball because he thought ButlerCC had an amazing basketball program.  He went there because he wants to be coached by Huggins so badly that he moved across the country to go to a random community college just because he thought it would give him a better chance to play for Huggs.

I'm pretty sure player/coach relationship between Huggs and Tyree will not be a problem.

Everyone keeps saying this, but Huggs met personally, or called Tyree numerous times throughout his time at Butler telling him to tow the line.  Yet, Tyree gets thrown off the team.  Sounds like he's already not listening.

[KSU176]

tyree is bigger than the team.

even more important tyree is a whole lot bigger than scuba steve.

come on down, tyree.

[ScubaSteve]

even more important tyree is a whole lot bigger than scuba steve.

Actually, that's not true.

[sonofdaxjones]

I would tend to agree with you Scuba Steve if I thought Tyree or any of those players were dealing with a semi normal coaching staff who had their own house in order, and who had the rest of the team under control and Evans was some sort of exception. 

However, Smithson already has taken a "mental break" rest this year . . . and anytime I hear about a freaking Junior College coach so mentally unstable he's got to back away . . . because we all know the pressures of coaching Jayhawk League JUCO ball then all I see is a mess.

If the kid ends up at KSU, he's going to be going up against the immoveable force, who has millions of dollars in the bank and a resume Randy Smithson can't even sniff at . . . he won't need Tyree Evans if Evans is going to act like a D-bag and he'll let him know it.

[coitus]

Starting:
Clent at PG for 25 MPG
Tyree at SG for 20 MPG

Off the bench:
Young where needed for 15 MPG
Pullen where needed for 10 MPG
Brown where needed for 10 MPG

Those numbers could change as the season goes along, but that's how I see things at the start.  Of course Huggs will adjust to match-ups accordingly.

I don't see Clent losing the starting PG spot next year and I think if Evans is at KSU he's the starter at SG.  Unless Pullen and Brown are way underrated 10 minutes perhaps progressing to 12-15 per game is reasonable and a great way to allow them to develop slowly.  I think Huggs comments about Colon and Bennett "having to play" this year says that he likes to let his guys develop slowly.  Of course for talents like Beasley and Walker that doesn't apply.

it would be nice to have a pg that was in the top 3 on the team in a/to.  could you imagine a pg that actually qualifies for the official big 12 rankings for a/to (minimum 3 assists per game)?  crazy stuff.

huggs comments about colon/bennett having to play gotta be taken in the context of the fact that they're big men, who have a development curve different than backcourt players.  

[wildcat79]

I think Huggins was probably unaware that Smithson had a history running off top 100 basketball players with the last name of EVANS! NEVER send a player with the last name of EVANS to Smithson!! What was he thinking?

[ScubaSteve]

it would be nice to have a pg that was in the top 3 on the team in a/to.  could you imagine a pg that actually qualifies for the official big 12 rankings for a/to (minimum 3 assists per game)?  crazy stuff.

huggs comments about colon/bennett having to play gotta be taken in the context of the fact that they're big men, who have a development curve different than backcourt players.  

No kidding.  All we need is a point guard to distribute the ball.  Lord knows we will have guys who can score.  Hannah was a huge miss.  If we had him we'd be set.  Clint Stewart can hold down the 2 spot.  I just can't figure out why everyone is getting wet over Tyree Evans.

[Saulbadguy]

I am under the impression Tyree is more of a shooter than a slasher.

If you're looking for a slasher, Pullen is your man.

Watch Tyree's Rivals video.

Tyree Evans Video Reels

No Media Available.

 

[ksu_FAN]

Starting:
Clent at PG for 25 MPG
Tyree at SG for 20 MPG

Off the bench:
Young where needed for 15 MPG
Pullen where needed for 10 MPG
Brown where needed for 10 MPG

Those numbers could change as the season goes along, but that's how I see things at the start.  Of course Huggs will adjust to match-ups accordingly.

I don't see Clent losing the starting PG spot next year and I think if Evans is at KSU he's the starter at SG.  Unless Pullen and Brown are way underrated 10 minutes perhaps progressing to 12-15 per game is reasonable and a great way to allow them to develop slowly.  I think Huggs comments about Colon and Bennett "having to play" this year says that he likes to let his guys develop slowly.  Of course for talents like Beasley and Walker that doesn't apply.

it would be nice to have a pg that was in the top 3 on the team in a/to.  could you imagine a pg that actually qualifies for the official big 12 rankings for a/to (minimum 3 assists per game)?  crazy stuff.

huggs comments about colon/bennett having to play gotta be taken in the context of the fact that they're big men, who have a development curve different than backcourt players.  

I can see your point on Stewart's assist numbers this year, certainly not great.  He's shown he can put up decent, not great, assist numbers in the past.  His injury/surgery to start the year certainly didn't help him get acclimated to Huggins as quickly as he probably needed to.  Regardless, I think he wins the starting PG spot next year and keeps it.  

You are correct that its not fair to compare a frosh big to a perimeter player.  I do think that if Huggs feels if he has better older players, he'll take his time in letting the younger guys develop.  Like I've said, if Pullen or Brown come in and beat out Stewart for the PG spot its only a good thing b/c (IMO) they'll be beating out a solid player.  If not, I think we can win a lot of games next year with Stewart playing PG.

[michigancat]

I am under the impression Tyree is more of a shooter than a slasher.

If you're looking for a slasher, Pullen is your man.

Watch Tyree's Rivals video.

Tyree Evans Video Reels

No Media Available.

 

high school profile

http://kansasstate.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=2&pr_key=15645

[Saulbadguy]

I am under the impression Tyree is more of a shooter than a slasher.

If you're looking for a slasher, Pullen is your man.

Watch Tyree's Rivals video.

Tyree Evans Video Reels

No Media Available.

 

high school profile

http://kansasstate.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=2&pr_key=15645

He looks kinda slow.

[michigancat]

NO-TRUE-POINT-GUARD *CLAP**CLAP**CLAP CLAP CLAP*

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## Player              GP-GS  Min--Avg  FG-FGA   Pct 3FG-FGA   Pct  FT-FTA   Pct  Off Def  Tot  Avg  PF FO   A  TO Blk Stl  Pts  Avg
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15 ANTHONY, Carmelo... 35-35 1274 36.4 277-612  .453  56-166  .337 168-238  .706  101 248  349 10.0  77  0  77  77  30  55  778 22.2
01 WARRICK, Hakim..... 35-35 1146 32.7 197-364  .541   0-1    .000 124-186  .667  112 185  297  8.5  94  4  57  92  44  49  518 14.8
03 McNAMARA, Gerry.... 35-35 1236 35.3 146-364  .401  85-238  .357  90-99   .909   14  66   80  2.3  69  1 155  85   2  77  467 13.3
13 DUANY, kueth....... 35-35  944 27.0 133-303  .439  43-123  .350  77-114  .675   45  83  128  3.7  75  1  71  57  17  36  386 11.0
14 EDELIN, Billy...... 23-0   533 23.2  80-146  .548   0-2    .000  48-71   .676   23  55   78  3.4  22  0  58  53   2  24  208  9.0
05 PACE, Josh......... 32-0   469 14.7  62-118  .525   0-2    .000  14-25   .560   22  64   86  2.7  33  0  60  37   8  26  138  4.3
51 FORTH, Craig....... 35-35  618 17.7  56-115  .487   0-1    .000  20-40   .500   50  66  116  3.3  90  4  30  39  41  15  132  3.8
34 McNEIL, Jeremy..... 35-0   657 18.8  54-81   .667   0-0    .000   9-20   .450   62  84  146  4.2 112  4   8  36 100   9  117  3.3
24 GORMAN, Matt.......  9-0    76  8.4   8-23   .348   0-1    .000   5-8    .625    4  15   19  2.1  14  0   1   5   2   3   21  2.3
10 KOUWE, Andrew......  6-0    10  1.7   3-5    .600   2-2   1.000   2-2   1.000    1   1    2  0.3   2  0   2   1   0   0   10  1.7
11 HERRON, Ronneil....  5-0     9  1.8   2-3    .667   0-0    .000   2-3    .667    0   5    5  1.0   0  0   0   1   0   0    6  1.2
23 HALL, Gary.........  5-0     6  1.2   1-1   1.000   0-0    .000   0-0    .000    0   2    2  0.4   0  0   2   0   1   1    2  0.4
20 GAINES, Xzavier....  6-0    21  3.5   1-8    .125   0-3    .000   0-0    .000    1   1    2  0.3   0  0   1   2   0   1    2  0.3
21 BROOKS, Josh.......  5-0     6  1.2   0-1    .000   0-0    .000   0-0    .000    0   1    1  0.2   1  0   0   0   0   0    0  0.0
02 ALBRIGHT, Tyrone...  7-0    20  2.9   0-2    .000   0-1    .000   0-0    .000    1   1    2  0.3   1  0   1   3   0   2    0  0.0
   TEAM...............                                                             46  66  112  3.2   1          6
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[bigdeal]

SS, I appreciate you taking the opposite side in what is obviously a rabid, starved fan base wanting desperately to get to the top.  J-Mart, great stuff, thanks, as always, for your insight.  I haven't seen Tyree play, or seen any video, but I've read the press like everyone else.  Obviously, the kid is a great talent (see people who have and are recruiting him, recruiting rankings, etc.).  I'm not saying they can't be wrong but there are an awful lot of people in the know who say he can play.  The statutory rape incident, coupled with being kicked off the team is bad.  But, I suspect he is too big a talent to be at Butler County.  With his background, respect is probably all about ballin, and he has probably always been "the man".  He likely viewed Butler as a necessary stopping ground and showcase, and nothing else.  Possibly, he just doesn't have the maturity or background to understand what he really needed to do there.  I think if anyone can break him, it is Huggins.  That respect factor is probably what Huggins is banking on.  I think if he winds up at KSU he will know listening to Huggs is his ticket to a future.  It's obvious that Huggs has reached him like no one else and already has his respect and attention.  I haven't seen him and no nothing other than what I've read and, yes, I'm one of those starved for success fans but, I think he may be worth a shot.  Just my two cents worth.

[catzacker]

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                                        |---TOTAL---| |---3-PTS---|               |----REBOUNDS----|
## Player              GP-GS  Min--Avg  FG-FGA   Pct 3FG-FGA   Pct  FT-FTA   Pct  Off Def  Tot  Avg  PF FO   A  TO Blk Stl  Pts  Avg
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15 ANTHONY, Carmelo... 35-35 1274 36.4 277-612  .453  56-166  .337 168-238  .706  101 248  349 10.0  77  0  77  77  30  55  778 22.2
01 WARRICK, Hakim..... 35-35 1146 32.7 197-364  .541   0-1    .000 124-186  .667  112 185  297  8.5  94  4  57  92  44  49  518 14.8
03 McNAMARA, Gerry.... 35-35 1236 35.3 146-364  .401  85-238  .357  90-99   .909   14  66   80  2.3  69  1 155  85   2  77  467 13.3
13 DUANY, kueth....... 35-35  944 27.0 133-303  .439  43-123  .350  77-114  .675   45  83  128  3.7  75  1  71  57  17  36  386 11.0
14 EDELIN, Billy...... 23-0   533 23.2  80-146  .548   0-2    .000  48-71   .676   23  55   78  3.4  22  0  58  53   2  24  208  9.0
05 PACE, Josh......... 32-0   469 14.7  62-118  .525   0-2    .000  14-25   .560   22  64   86  2.7  33  0  60  37   8  26  138  4.3
51 FORTH, Craig....... 35-35  618 17.7  56-115  .487   0-1    .000  20-40   .500   50  66  116  3.3  90  4  30  39  41  15  132  3.8
34 McNEIL, Jeremy..... 35-0   657 18.8  54-81   .667   0-0    .000   9-20   .450   62  84  146  4.2 112  4   8  36 100   9  117  3.3
24 GORMAN, Matt.......  9-0    76  8.4   8-23   .348   0-1    .000   5-8    .625    4  15   19  2.1  14  0   1   5   2   3   21  2.3
10 KOUWE, Andrew......  6-0    10  1.7   3-5    .600   2-2   1.000   2-2   1.000    1   1    2  0.3   2  0   2   1   0   0   10  1.7
11 HERRON, Ronneil....  5-0     9  1.8   2-3    .667   0-0    .000   2-3    .667    0   5    5  1.0   0  0   0   1   0   0    6  1.2
23 HALL, Gary.........  5-0     6  1.2   1-1   1.000   0-0    .000   0-0    .000    0   2    2  0.4   0  0   2   0   1   1    2  0.4
20 GAINES, Xzavier....  6-0    21  3.5   1-8    .125   0-3    .000   0-0    .000    1   1    2  0.3   0  0   1   2   0   1    2  0.3
21 BROOKS, Josh.......  5-0     6  1.2   0-1    .000   0-0    .000   0-0    .000    0   1    1  0.2   1  0   0   0   0   0    0  0.0
02 ALBRIGHT, Tyrone...  7-0    20  2.9   0-2    .000   0-1    .000   0-0    .000    1   1    2  0.3   1  0   1   3   0   2    0  0.0
   TEAM...............                                                             46  66  112  3.2   1          6
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Would that year be an exception to the rule?  Both from a no true point guard and a freshman leading a team stand point?  

[coitus]

If not, I think we can win a lot of games next year with Stewart playing PG*.

*with beasley, walker and hoskins.

one day you'll remember stewart as you now remember wooldridge.  a kid on the big 12 academic all conference team screws up mcmw in a big way.

hoskins tat expose on tv during the okie state game were a step in the right direction.

[sys]

I think he may be worth a shot.  Just my two cents worth.

what exactly does ksu have to lose?  taking evans is pure upside.

[michigancat]

Would that year be an exception to the rule?  Both from a no true point guard and a freshman leading a team stand point? 

Is Taurean Green really a great "true" point guard?

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/teams/fak/stats?sort=28


I think you just need great scorers to win national titles.

[HawkLegend]

Tyree Evans was the missing piece to K-State's Big 12 title hopes.  Now that he's a Wildcat, I think you guys are going to be really good.  Congrats.