25-4, 12-2 in conference
= underachieving, for ku this year.
I don't think you understand how good their talent is.
I don't think you understand that I do understand more than just how good their talent is.
I also understand how Big XII COY voting works.
When did the amount of talent a team has ever matter in determining COY in the Big XII?
It has, just not in the way you presume it to.
Look at the COY's in the Big XII-
1996-97 Roy Williams, Kansas w/ Raef, Big XII POY
1997-98 Eddie Sutton, Oklahoma State
1998-99 Rick Barnes, Texas
1999-00 Larry Eustachy, Iowa State w/ Fizer, Big XII POY
2000-01 Larry Eustachy, Iowa State w/ Tinsley, Big XII POY
2001-02 Roy Williams, Kansas w/ Gooden, Big XII POY
2002-03 Rick Barnes, Texas
2003-04 Eddie Sutton, Oklahoma State w/ Tony Allen, Big XII POY
2004-05 Billy Gillispie, Texas A&M
2005-06 Bill Self, Kansas
In 5 of the league's 10 years, the Big XII COY coached the Big XII's POY.
COY has been won by either ku, OSU, or UT in 7 of the league's 10 years -the teams with year in and year out the most talent. You can throw in Eustachy's 99-00 and 00-01 COY as being considered top talent teams as well considering that they not only had the POY both years, they also won the league both years.
I never said Self deserved it more than Gillispie (Link?).
My point is that it is impossible to say that ku has underachieved when they:
a) defeated the defending national champion.
b) are in line to at the very least share the Big XII regular season championship and quite possibly win it outright with a A&M loss @ UT.
c) are playing for a #1 seed in the NCAA tourney.
d) there are only 2 teams in the nation with better records, both by just 1 win (#1 tOSU & #2 UCLA).
GMAFB I hate ku as much as the next guy but I'm not going to go a Powertard. They're exactly where we (the ones who realize that undefeated seasons belong to the 76 Hoosiers) thought they would be at the start of the season- getting ready to win the Big XII and playing for the #1 NCAA seed. Seems to me they've achieved.
